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Watched the Debates. We're Doomed.

Posted by $ Abaco 10 years, 4 months ago to Politics
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OK, I have avoided the debates until recently. Watched most of the Repub one last week and almost all of the Dems (on the dvr yesterday). I have come to the conclusion that we're probably doomed. With the Republicans...if you really listen closely you see this overwhelming desire to use government to fix things. There are, surprisingly, promises to "tax for this" and "tax for that". I don't remember hearing a peep about smaller government.

Then...there are the Dems. Of the three in the debate, Omally (sp?) is the only one who sounds sane. At all. Seems like a decent person, actually. Has no chance in hell. Hillary, to even my surprise, offered ZERO solutions to anything. (I don't expect any hint of a hands-off approach from this crowd, so work with me). She pointed out that the lead in the water in Flint had to do with race. I have always thought she'll be the next president and, apparently, she thinks so too. Very scary thought. Worse than the current guy in there? Anybody's guess. Then, there's Bernie. Sometimes, he actually makes a little sense. But, there is his tireless fixation with other people's money. He absolutely sees wealth as something to be taken. He's very open about it. And, just this morning I heard a clip of him talking up Fidel Castro. Anybody here ever been to Cuba? He said that the lack of an uprising is proof that the people like the Communism there. Very scary stuff. Way out of touch with reality. Yet, I check social media this morning and some people I know back Bernie.

I think things in America are going to get much worse before they get better. My little son made some interesting statements. He has a disability, but has progressed well. He'll actually sit and watch these people talk and figure out who's full of crap (all of them). After watching a while he looked up at me and said, "Dad. What will you do if Sanders gets elected?" Without hesitation I responded, "Hide our stuff." That turned into a short, fun conversation...


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  • Posted by $ 10 years, 2 months ago
    OK....A couple months later I'm more sure we're doomed.
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  • Posted by plusaf 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    No, T2, it's not the money... what Organization would support (philosophically, let alone financially...) the Creation, let alone Dissemination of such subject material?!

    In the same vein of "let's petition Congress to lower their salaries and benefits..." Gee-- such a vote-getter That Would Be! Same situation.
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  • Posted by term2 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Who would put up the money is a good question. Look what happened with AS movie
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  • Posted by plusaf 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Oh, Term2, I agree Completely...
    But part of the reality check is still "who's going to make That documentary, who's going to broadcast it, and Whose minds will be changed by seeing it?"
    Precious few in any group, I'm sorry to guess.
    And that's where the 'doom' forecast comes from.
    Seniors like Trump because we've see the rampant bullshit of DC for scores of years in our lifetimes. Kids under 25 or so are vulnerable to Bernie because so many of their parents or teachers or professors have steeped them in socialist tea most of their lives. They don't have any other inputs, and nobody's ever taught them Critical Thinking. I'm writing a book on it...
    Hang in there...
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  • Posted by term2 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    My point was that so many people are just ignorant of the real end times of socialism. They have been steeped in the belief government can take care of them and don't see the reality that government is only out for itself
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  • Posted by plusaf 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    LOL... and who's going to make that documentary?
    PBS?
    Masterpiece Theater?

    And who, after watching it, will respond by changing their mind?
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Amen to that. In truth he is not qualified under the Constitution but the greater truth is there is no more constitution. So no reason to Trump or the others. It's choose up sides and write our own definitions ones with real meaning....Cruz, Webb, the rest who have perhaps seen the light. Time for a reformation and time to drive the money lenders out of the temple. Time to stop quibbling over nothing.
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  • Posted by $ Gonzotr 10 years, 4 months ago
    I have made a decision recently. I have been a long time supporter of Ted Cruz. And recent events have only solidified my trust in Him. We have been looking, and as close to perfect as it comes, Ted Cruz is it. If the Repub establishment, If the Donald, et Al, run him out, I will, for the first time, support and advocate, and beg for Ted to start a True third party, no matter the cost. I have stayed in the GOP to try to effect form within. No longer. There is a real paradigm shift occurring, It will go Hard socialist, or return to a conservative renaissance. There will be no in between.
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  • Posted by term2 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yeah. Venezuela is like experiencing atlas shrugged in real time. If the populace didn't believe atlas shrugged was more than a fictional novel- here is the real thing, the end times. We will get to watch the total collapse of a country and get to see a dictator take use his power to stretch out his reign until one day he is going be assassinated by a desperate mob
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  • Posted by $ 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    OK, the second time I've read this comment it sunk in. Yes...there should be an ongoing series documenting this AS IT IS HAPPENING. It could run like 60 Minutes - a weekly update. Brilliant idea. It could be a half-hour show...once each week.
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  • Posted by 1musictime 10 years, 4 months ago
    No doom for us. Doom toward the bad people. Not toward the good people.It's a boom there's no doom toward the good people.
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  • Posted by $ 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Reminds me of a recent conversation with my mother-in-law. She used the old, "If you don't vote you don't have a right to complain." I said, "Oh yeah? What if my two choices are Stalin or Hitler? Can I not vote then and still complain?" She understood my point.
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  • Posted by omniscientMind 10 years, 4 months ago
    The problem is our nation has lost motivation, I truly believe we have left the concept of working for what we earn, becoming tolerant of people holding their hands out, we can not however allow this, this altruistic state is truly going to undermine the once great United States. I was educated in the idea that we are to work for what we want, so we should teach those who wish for this altruistic system to continue that they do not have to lower their esteem and accept hand outs but instead work for their keep. To build their self esteem and feel the wonderful sense of achievement. Only when do we the people who truly understand this principle educate those who do not understand this will save our nation.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 10 years, 4 months ago
    Just as a body with disease, it took years to find one's self in that state of health. Likewise, it's taken a bit over 100 years to get where we are today. So, it's clear: we ain't gona erradicate the kakistocracy over night, Hell, it might in fact take years to even discover all the damage we need to be repair.

    I just can't imagine how it all will turn out. I dare not, in the face of many disappointments of the past, believe in one thing or another but I will do my part as best I can and prepare for the worst...I do not like feeling that way.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 10 years, 4 months ago
    Listened to earlier R debates and Cruz and Paul did talk about and would make government smaller.
    We'd all like to have it all done at once but I think the smarter way would be a 'defined' little at a time.
    After, of course, after taking out the Fed, The IRS, the BLM and the dept of education. Along with disempowering HLS and the EPA.

    But truthfully I would be satisfied if we just attended to the constitution and the principle ideas of our founding, maybe one of us or others like us might do our part as being representative of America in our government.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "I am hoping that technological progress will make many of the government mandates irrelevant.."
    That's my hope too. I summarized my hope and fear in this regard in my reply to blackswan.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "Economies of scale are declining because of technology, and will continue to do so. That means that government will have a more and more difficult time meddling in people's affairs."
    I agree.

    OTOH, I worry that technology will increase return on capital and allow top performers to sell to more customers, causing a dangerous socialist backlash. I'm not predicting socialism to get worse, but it's a grave concern.

    Maybe the way technology educates, obviates borders, and allows people to sell down the long tail (related to your point on economies of scale) will push back against socialist urges.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "I wonder if CircuitGuy knows the origin of the phrase "drinking the Kool Aide?"
    It sounds like you've been involved in politics trying to direct credit or blame for so long, that you've forgotten most of us are actually out here doing stuff.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "Technical progress has continued [at an amazing pace] despite the government, not because of it, "
    This is a good summary of what I think. The rest of what you say is the line of thinking that if you're not miserable about the world's problems, which are still many b/c we're nowhere near utopia, you must be lulled in complacency, ignoring the problems, or playing the political game of trying to take credit for the prosperity.
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  • Posted by johnpe1 10 years, 4 months ago
    most of the time, I wish that we all could hide our stuff
    from these plunderers who are doing their best to money-grub
    their way to wealth and power. . disgusting. -- j
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "Wealth is not income."
    They're correlated though.

    "His pipe dream of 19 trillion in tax revenues over a ten year period."
    Did he actually give numbers? Wow. He said allowed he wants to double taxes, not counting Social Security!?
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    He did it too himself when he embraced left wing tax systems and became a Republican instead of a Libertarian. Don't mourn for him Argentina.
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