Hide my stuff is exactly what is needed. Hidden stashes of silver coins and untraceable assets. Also, substantial lessening of work to just what I need to live a reasonable lifestyle- AND NO MORE. I want to be considered one of Sanders' "poor", and certainly NOT one of the 1%.

However, if he gets the democratic nomination and faces off with TRUMP, I think he will be handily defeated. The mainstream here isnt ready for an admitted socialist

It almost makes me want to contribute to Hillary in the primary, on the grounds that she would lose the general election. But that will make no difference if the winner is Trump.

Create Galt's Gulch in a Red State Secession. As one known Conservative (Jan Brewer) [Not an Objectivist but leaning in the right direction.] stated: The Blue States cannot not feed themselves. And would likely be unable to decide what to do with the seceded states that outnumber them.

There is a bit of a silver lining. Sanders will prime the pump, which will instill more consumer confidence and create new (but more likely temporary) opportunities to make a killing in B2C businesses.

You know and I know that Obama is a socialist or worse. Unfortunately, to most to the people who voted for him, he was a blank slate. He was what his voters wanted him to be. Bernie Sanders is honest about who he is. The Democrat ruling class isn't ready to admit that they are a party of socialists to the American people. I don't think that they'll let Bernie get the nomination.

I agree; he could win, because there are enough moochers who'd vote for the Democrat simply because he/she isn't a Republican.

But how much fun would it be to see the media meltdown if a) Trump gets the R nomination, and b) their beloved Hildabeast doesn't get the D nomination?

Well, hypothetically I would seriously consider moving to a country that has more freedom than we do (perhaps Putin's Russia) - just joking! It would probably be someplace in South America (maybe Uraguay) or New Zealand, etc.

The best answer perhaps is that this is still our country and like those inhabitants of Galt's Gulch, we just have to stop participating and supporting the moocher classes.

Mindless politicians like Sanders, Clinton, Obama, etc. do not realize that talent, resources and strength of character are not infinite and that those rare commodities are in too short supply to support the Socialist/Progressive/Communist Utopia that Bernie Sanders best represents.

As with any "Socialist" once you have spent everyone's money and have created nothing but demand from non-producers, you have sealed your own fate. As in Shrugged, the house of cards will come crashing down and the only one's that may survive are the producers, not the moochers!

The answer depends on what he actually would do. His issues are things like "free" education without more middle-classes taxes, reducing wealth disparity, reducing global warming without nuclear power or serious sacrifice. Since those things are impossible, I am not clear on what he would actually do.

If he and Trump won the nominations, it would be a circus and maybe a third-party candidate would gain a plurality because the parties nominated candidates with narrow appeals.

"Unfortunately, seeing as I am not a doctor, inventor, engineer, etc., my efforts will not be missed nearly as much as those that went on strike in Atlas Shrugged."
People would miss your efforts if customers and early stage money seem to dry up for unclear reasons, i.e. because people like you don't feel any benefit to running networking and startup groups.

Bernie Sanders understanding of fundamental economic principals is slightly less than my dog's understanding how his food gets in cans. Furthermore, trying to teach economics to a liberal is about as likely to succeed as trying to teach an oyster to play the violin. The liberal view of economics can charitably be called "mystical". By this I mean they view economics as a form of magic that is subject to incantations and wishful thinking. In reality fundamental economic principals are just as real as fundamental physical principals like gravitation and thermodynamics and they are just as difficult to avoid. This is why liberal concepts such including socialism and communism cannot succeed. Eventually the energy stored in the momentum of the system runs out leading to inevitable collapse. As Margaret Thatcher so wisely observed "Socialism works until it runs out of other peoples money." This concept does not enter into Sanders thinking.

Let's hope we never have to find that out for sure.

Not to worry; I just read that if he does win, on his very first day in office he's going to instruct the forestry department to immediately plant the trees that provide all the free stuff.

And since there won't be anyone willing to harvest and distribute the free stuff, it will all be there for the taking by those of us who don't mind working.

Huh? I didn't understand any of what you just said. Could you be more specific, please? Why don't you think Hillary will get the Demos nomination? How can Sanders win in the South? Not saying it's impossible, just unlikely.

Actually, the gun issue is the only one I can think of where Bernie is preferable to Hillary.

I think "McGovern Lite" nails it. McGovern, and Goldwater before him, showed that the American electorate will run screaming from any Presidential candidate who displays ideological consistency (regardless of which ideology). Should he be nominated, Sanders will suffer the same fate.

hear hear

I understand your sentiment, but the 1st year of Lenin was not as bad as the 10th year, even if the policies did not change much after the first year.


Things can get much worse. The police state can be applied with full force, the IRS can be more arbitrary, the EPA can stop the use of all fossil fuels, etc.

"The Democrats know...can't win with a socialist." Hmm. Seems to me, the Dems "won" with Obama, not once, but twice. Seems to me that Bernie Sanders has some of the trappings of a gentleman, which are significantly lacking in candidates of in-your-face, sex, or charismatic nature, or at least the appearance of honesty and integrity, amongst the muddy pools of the bidders.

If Sanders wins, he will be a very frustrated President, for several reasons: first, he isn't as unscrupulous as Obama or Clinton, and will try to be more of a diplomat in dealing with Congress, which he will find a barrier to much of what he's promising; second, he greatly underestimates the power wielded behind the scenes by the financial community; third, he fails to understand how endemic much of government's problems are, made intractable by an entrenched incompetent civil service class.

Bernie would probably set a record for the use of the veto, as a courteous but opposing Congress will inundate him with legislative action counter to everything he thinks he can accomplish.

I think Bernie could win the Democrat nomination, especially as Hillary slips toward indictment, but I think he will flounder in the general election, unable to credibly explain how to pay for all the wonderful stuff he promises.

Unless the dems win back a house, he'll be irrelevant.

Being a very old geezer, probably nothing. However, if I were 61 instead of 81, I would get busy working toward a true Galt's Gulch. I'd devote all of my energy, knowhow, and resources to it, and I wouldn't stop until it was done or I assumed room temperature. It will be important that at least a colony of sanity exists as long as it can be maintained, so that knowledge, and the epistemology of reason continues to exist and continues to be taught. Because if Sanders is elected, The American Experiment is over.

When I learned Ronda Rousey, is a big time Bolshevik Bernie supporter, I was finally glad she got punched out in no time flat.
I was already getting tired of reading about how devastated she felt over losing that championship fight.
She's already Hollywood set for life.

He does have a chance to win. Just with the medicaid expansion as of 1/1/16, millions more people are now sucking at the grubment teat and will do their best to make sure they can't be weened. I was counseled to watch my tone when making appointments for people to get their free glasses and eye exam (fortunately I don't usually have to answer the phone). At least the rest of the staff are now understanding that they are paying for those free glasses.

To answer your question, I keep going back and forth between take as much as I can to collapse the system faster, or just work enough to meet my needs.

If the Bern wins, it means that he has compromised on his principles to be the same corporate lapdog that all of the rest of the Preznits have been.... (With the exception of JFK who was shot dead, and Ronald Reagan who was shot but survived when he changed his mind, miraculously)

Anyway, where was I... Oh yeah.. Bernie... He will not win unless he changes everything he currently stands for.... Since I am confident that will not happen, I would suggest we should be discussing one of the other corrupt politicians (Excluding Donald Trump who also will not win) in play...

We survived 8 years of Dubya, and I think we'll make it past another year of BO without sinking beneath the waves. What's Sanders going to do that's worse than they've already done?