John Kerry's apologetics afterward were the pandering of a lickspittle. To have such words from a Secretary of State was not only disgusting, but indicative of how truly pathetic everyone in this Administration is. They all need to be fired and waiting for 2017 is too long.

We should apologize. I think McAdams has it right in this article.
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2016/01/d...

The neocons are stamping their little feet.

As McAdams quotes McCain (the SOB from my state of Arizona), “sovereign immune naval vessels are exempt from detention, boarding, or search. Their crews are not subject to detention or arrest.”

Then McAdams points out: “Imagine the tune McCain would have been singing if a well-armed Iranian naval vessel had been spotted in US territorial waters off the coast of New York. Would he have so rigorously condemned any US interference in the actions of Iran’s sovereign naval vessels?”

Even the Greta van Susteren, the grand Scientologist, said the GPS on her iPhone worked in Cambodia. One would think the US military would have at least one GPS on two boats that worked.

You're right. Something stinks big time.
I'm also wondering what kind of Obamanable PC compliance orders those sailors may have been under.

The Straits are a lot tighter than where these guys were, and those little boats don't have that much fuel. This is either complete and total stupidity, or we need a new Navy. This one is obviously broke. And they can take Mr. "I'm so sorry" LT and toss him as well.

This whole story stinks. I was on an ancient diesel submarine in the 70s with a navigation system that could tell me within 50 yards of where I was. I was a sonar tech and could operate it. Either this means the Navy now makes Mchales Navy their standard of training and procedural operation, or something is just so wrong. Lots of reasoning running around: It is a plot to make Obama look good, it's a plot to make him look bad, it's a plot this that and the other thing. If this is the best the government can come up with, we are very very screwed.Lets see:
Lt., take your 2 over-sized ski boats and go to Bahrain., so keep the shore on your right and don't go out too far.
Yes sir.
Get plenty of gas, and make sure you have a towline.
Yes sir.
And don't go gallivanting off to the Iranian island 150 KM off the coast, stay clear of it.
Yes sir.
Use your radar, GPS and double check each other.
Yes sir.
Call if you need help.
Yes sir.
ooopppsss.
There is much more to this story, there just has to be. They can not be that stupid and incompetent, even at night, GPS just works, there is not "punch buttons" as the idiot Sec Def says. They have radar, (note to Lt.: clue you are going the wrong way: the land isn't on your right anymore). They should easily have had every indication they were going off on the wrong course. It just doesn't make sense, and all the stupid things the Obamanation and his gang are just tossing out there, just adds to the perception that this is "throw stuff at the wall and see what sticks". No wonder everything has gone to crap.

Question: is it standard procedure for a captured crew to face a court-martial on repatriation?
The way I read it is, there may be good reasons for the capture,
if so let such reasons (if any) come out at the trial.

we have apologized all over the planet, and for one
I am tired of it. . we are able to do more with our
society than any other country, and share more real
value than any others, so let's quit apologizing and
DO IT ! -- j
.

It was quite a site to see that develop yesterday, I had to wonder if this was the same military I spent a few years with. We went thru the Straights of Hormuz multiple times and it was a pay attention from the time you went in until the time you went out. Even drinking beers on a barge offshore Bahrain, you still knew where you were.
So it's beyond me what happened, we traveled fully armed, extra 50 mm guns along both port and starboard.
How did the guys put theirs guns down to the Persians? Well who's the CinC?