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Deflation

Posted by $ Abaco 8 years, 3 months ago to Economics
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So, has anybody else been watching this? I have, for reasons I can't get into. Realize that we just had an interest rate hike in this environment. I'm see real deflationary pressures here. May want to hold on to your hats.
SOURCE URL: http://www.bls.gov/news.release/cpi.nr0.htm


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  • Posted by mia767ca 8 years, 3 months ago
    deflation is #1 enemy of govt Feds all over the world...

    the energy industry is in massive deflation...result will be layoffs...bankruptcy...in oil producing countries, civil unrest and possible collapse of those govts...war...gets bad from there...
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  • Posted by $ blarman 8 years, 3 months ago
    If we started to see real deflation, it would destroy the economy. Debt service is a tremendous problem that only gets worse and can be affected negatively:
    1) as debt increases
    2) as interest rates rise
    3) as deflation makes the value of the base debt rise

    As I'm sure others will point out, deflation is primarily a concern in a fiat currency environment - especially one as heavily manipulated as the one here in the US (courtesy of the Fed).
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    • Posted by freedomforall 8 years, 3 months ago
      The banking cartel should have been destroyed in 2008 and the economy would be rebuilding now and much more productive. When it does happen it will be ugly, and it will require producers to disregard existing irrational laws to recover. Prices must seek a free market level.
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  • Posted by $ 8 years, 3 months ago
    Deflation is good for those of us who have cash. However...the Fed has little to nothing left in its quiver if deflation really starts to run. President and Congress have no clue about managing this. Deflation, in this case, is due to a weak economy and is showing up even with the printing presses running full out. Very interesting to watch...
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  • Posted by $ 8 years, 3 months ago
    Like I said....hold on to yer hats!!!

    The economy is doing one of my favorite Fred Sanford things - clutching its chest, staggering back and declaring, "HERE I COME ELIZABETH! IT'S THE BIG ONE!" All because of too many years of excess regulation, taxation and debt. The chickens may be coming home to roost.
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  • Posted by brkssb 8 years, 3 months ago
    Release "embargoed" until December 15? Deflation occurs when the victims of a Fed Economy have had all their savings converted to living expenses and cannot service their own debt anymore. The only question to be answered is which comes first, individual bankruptcy or a bankrupt nation? Can I outlast the Gobshite-ment?
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  • Posted by $ jdg 8 years, 3 months ago
    Obama's Fed has inflated the money supply by over 60% and is still doing it. Deflation is unlikely, and would be the least of our problems if it happens. But as soon as the interest rate goes above 2 or 3 percent, the interest payments on the national debt will be enough to start runaway inflation. Buckle in, folks!
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 8 years, 3 months ago
    I've been telling folks for a year now...get out of your IRA and 401K...keep some cash at hand.
    Just wonder when it will have dramatic effects on our currency and our banks.
    Is there such a thing as a small bank not vested in derivatives and won't take your deposits under barny/frank???
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  • Posted by $ TomB666 8 years, 3 months ago
    Deflation is good for those of us on fixed incomes (if it were real, not govmt bs). I like falling prices if there are any. Being retired I do not use nearly as much gas as I used to and that seems to be the govmt's main reason for saying no inflation exists.
    Inflation on the other hand is good for debtors. Look what happens to home buyers with 30 year mortgages. If they do not pay it off early, the payments at the end of the 30 years are chump change compared to the initial payments. e.g. in 1955 in a case I am familiar with, a 30 year home mortgage had a payment of $65 per month when a working man was making about that per week. By the final payment in 1985, inflation had boosted his pay to around $650 per week.
    Deflation is great for savers, but really tough on debtors, and our govmt has gone out of its way to make most people debtors.
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  • Posted by johnpe1 8 years, 3 months ago
    the prices have not gone down at my grocery store,
    so I am a tad skeptical of this report ... it's the government,
    anyway. . if we take their word for it, we're doing great! -- j

    p.s. my hat is welded on, since I'm going bald.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 3 months ago
    Hold on to your hat, and sit atop your $$ with a 12 gage.
    Abaco, I think I understand your post, but please, in the simplest possible terms, relate you conclusions and how you came by them and what it all means in one paragraph. Please?
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  • Posted by wiggys 8 years, 3 months ago
    deflation occurs when there is a lack of demand for products etc. when people decide not to purchase the sellers counter by saying i'll sell to you for less than the original price etc. we have been experiencing deflation for several years with the exception of oil and as we know oil pricing is deflating. the pricing for my products has decreased and when people ask for how long i will have my sales i tell them until the economy gets better, they laugh because they do not expect that to happen any time soon.
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  • Posted by richrobinson 8 years, 3 months ago
    I don't see deflation as a major problem. It does seem to scare the hell out of the FED and politicians. The year is starting off a little crazy.
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    • Posted by wiggys 8 years, 3 months ago
      actually you should see it as a major problem. it means that companies can't make profit so they go under. once the cycle starts as one company goes under that means people out of work which has the affect on other companies and then they go under, see what i mean. the reason the fed is concerned is because the more companies fold the less people working the less tax revenue. that said the recent report by the fed of enormous tax revenue for the first quarter puts 0's nose 20 feet from his face at least. the last thing i want to see is any company going out of business and so should you be concerned about it.
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      • Posted by richrobinson 8 years, 3 months ago
        Mild deflation shouldn't be any worse than mild inflation. Out of control--- neither is good but the FED seems to fear deflation more. I just read a story on how bad the retail numbers were last year. Discounts are being blamed for part of it. so in the short run deflation will probably continue.
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    • Posted by XenokRoy 8 years, 3 months ago
      Deflation is very bad for big government based on a graduated tax schedule. It effectively reduces taxes as it reduces incomes, property values and everything else that is used to measure how much you pay them.

      While it will reduce the incomes of governments all over the world, it will not reduce the debt.

      Deflation also has a tendency to make money worthless as its based on and printed towards an inflationary environment. Deflation means that all that money out there is now more than it was before and augments the problem of over printing. To much money, more readily available than goods and services equals a collapse in the monetary system.

      For those that have assets like land, gold, silver food and little or no debt the deflation economy will be a welcome thing to see come about. Everyone else, not so much so.
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    • Posted by edweaver 8 years, 3 months ago
      I agree, for those people & governments that are financially sound. Unfortunately some people are sound but I don't believe the majority are and I would question if any government is financially sound. Someone pointed out that Russia's budget was based off $80 oil and question what may happen at $30, or $20 to them. I don't consider myself an expert but believe it can't be good. It may also be the tip of the iceberg.
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  • Posted by XenokRoy 8 years, 3 months ago
    Beef at action has been going down in value for the last year, but hay to feed them has not. Its not just deflationary pressures, its all ready starting in some markets, oil being the largest and most apparent.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 3 months ago
      Price of cereal grains was affected adversely by ethanol. i'm assuming more land has been put into production to allow for the human feed the animal feed the food bank feed the overseas food shipment feed on top of the ethanol scam. That along with the housing bubble was 2008 and it drove up the price of food world wide. the only group that had to dig in their pockets was the working consumer.

      So according to my Iowa relatives more land went into production throughout the Midwest. Corn and Wheat primarily but hay is another major product. A lot of corn is sold south of the border and used for cattle feed, tortillas and turkey feed which in turn feed their ham production. All prices went up .and in no small amounts.

      So increased land production meant increased jobs but the employee also paid higher food prices and were part of the depression part one. Who got the most of the money? Agricorps and the fuel corporations. so more 'donations' to politicians....

      Here's the catch. The Ogalala sp? and other underground basins of water never having come close to being refilled now have to supply even more water.....one useless fuel produced to buy votes at a financial subsideized cost and needing one gallon of fossil fuel to produce one gallon of ethanol impacted the world, the environment and along with the housing scam created the crisis of 2008.

      Deflation caused by increased production and he SW Texas new oil fields is just part of that but fuel is still double what it was at 2000. Along comes the baby boomer retirement and all of sudden no money to pay social security coming in amounts less than needed but no money. answer run the printing presses some more....inflation, devaluation, debt repudiation not counting that in COLA and unecessary over production in grains to feed a useless commodity to buy votes is in your face not put off to future generations. it's in YOUR face....
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