Millennials and their work demands

Posted by $ blarman 9 years, 5 months ago to Business
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I just want to shake these idiots (millennials). Do they understand that the typical cost of a new hire (including productivity costs, training costs, HR costs, etc.) is $10K even for a low-level position?

Further, I am not interested in someone working for me who tells me in the interview they are probably going to be gone in 1-2 years. They obviously do not understand that the very leadership roles they seek require insights into the company, its people, its competitors, its systems, and its customers - and those take years to acquire - not days.

I don't care how much you know about technology. I don't care how connected you are with your peers. I want to know what you are going to bring in the long term to my business that is going to justify me hiring you.


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  • Posted by Herb7734 9 years, 5 months ago
    As you state, I'm sure you realize that anyone dumb enough to tell you that they'll be gone in a year or two is not someone you're about to hire anyway. Every employer wants to get the best he can for what he can afford. Sometimes he gets surprised by a hard-working ambitious person. Sometimes the opposite. A resume and an interview cannot always predict the outcome. But at least the one seeking employment should try to let they employer know that they'd be on the employer's side.
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  • Posted by krevello 9 years, 5 months ago
    I was on the editorial board of my college newspaper (I'm a millennial) and I could not believe the attitude my writers took towards a job they were paid to do. They would not meet deadlines, ignore very clear advice about how to better do their jobs and then get mad at me for enforcing rules I'd very specifically laid out. The 'entitlement' mentality is unbelievably ingrained in people my age. They feel they should have to do nothing and then receive all sorts of benefits which their employer owes them, when all they're really owed is fair value for their work.
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  • Posted by krevello 9 years, 5 months ago
    I was on the editorial board of my college newspaper (I'm a millennial) and I could not believe the attitude my writers took towards a job they were paid to do. They would not meet deadlines, ignore very clear advice about how to better do their jobs and then get mad at me for enforcing rules I'd very specifically laid out. The 'entitlement' mentality is unbelievably ingrained in people my age. They feel they should have to do nothing and then receive all sorts of benefits which their employer owes them, when all they're really owed is fair value for their work.
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  • Posted by edweaver 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I haven't seen many of them moving that fast with the exception of the keys on their phone. :) I'm sure there are exceptions but have you ever been in a hurry to get somewhere and have to stop at a store to get a few things on the way. Checking out is painstakingly slow in most cases, even if you say that you are running late and in a hurry.
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  • Posted by slfisher 9 years, 5 months ago
    Didn't people say the same thing to Howard Roark? How did that work out?
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 9 years, 5 months ago
    After I a baby boomer bagged a retirement package as a state corrections officer, I twice jumped ship for higher pay as an armed security guard from just over one year to the next gig.
    Like in a line from the song Sweet Home Alabama, "Does your conscience bother you?"
    Nope.
    Would I tell a job interviewer that I may just do so mean a thing?
    That would be stupid.
    Anyhoo, my last job with yet someone else was semi-retired.
    Now I'm fully retired. Hopefully, I will stay that way.
    That last job and the full time I jumped ship from told me I could come back whenever I wanted to, but now I have old dino aches and pains.and I'm really tired of answering to anybody who may ring my home phone out of the blue or my cell at the last minute.
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  • Posted by LibertyBelle 9 years, 5 months ago
    I have been trying to get a manual-laboring job; I
    know that nobody is going to hire me for manage-
    ment, and I wouldn't expect it.(But I'm not a millen-
    ial). But I think maybe a company should not ex-
    pect much loyalty, if it hires people from outside
    for boss jobs, instead of promoting from within,
    and letting people rise through the ranks.
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  • Posted by Abaco 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    High school and college counselors generally have no clue what they're talking about.
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  • Posted by jimslag 9 years, 5 months ago
    Wow, lots of good comments and insight into the different generation's ways of thinking. Myself, I am a Boomer. I did 22 years in the military and had to deal with the Gen-Xer's and Millenials before I decided to retire. That was when a little girl came to work for me that was born after I had joined the Navy. Another story but on with this. Work ethic is instilled in you as you are growing up. It is not so much what we, as Boomer's did but how we treated our kids. We screwed up and raised a bunch of sissies. We did not want their feelings hurt so we created participation trophies. We made rules for bike helmets and other stupid stuff that we did not have and still, somehow we survived. I always say, I grew up in a different time and culture from what we are currently experiencing. Some of it was good and some things are better but it is all different. I am a late Boomer and did not have any kids, so don't blame me, but I saw it as I was growing as person and noticed that, hey, we did not do it that way. Boomers changed things in many ways and in general, they screwed it up.Sorry guys, but you have to deal with the hand you were dealt.
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  • Posted by Abaco 9 years, 5 months ago
    I don't blame them. Most businesses don't take a long-term view of much. Some do. But, as a result you get this kind of workforce. They're putting themselves first. Good for them. I feel as though I was working in the tail end of that era where people would work at a company for decades. But, early in my career (in aerospace) is started to become the norm to get laid off every couple years, at best. I saw a couple mass layoffs occur right before Christmas, just so the companies could save a few bucks, offering to hire you back after New Years. Naw...I'll pass. Now, in my middle age, I'm all about the dough. Want me to work? Pay me. A lot. I can carry an organization up a steep hill. But, I won't do it for peanuts. I'm enjoying working for myself, too.
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  • Posted by Tyler1215 9 years, 5 months ago
    I am a millienial and I had 3 different jobs in less than 3 years after graduating college. I left the first job for a bigger city and more money. I left the second job for more money and more responsibility. During each interview, I told every manager the same thing: I am here for the challenges and the opportunities. When the challenges and opportunities are gone, I am gone. Even recently, my current manager and my CEO and I have been discussing more opportunities because I've been getting bored at work. The biggest insight into what millienials are thinking is to simple ask them. Keeping employees is the same game no matter what generation they identify with. I started my career as an engineer, and now I choose to identify more as a finances and leadership guy; because I want to run a business now. My manager and I have discussed it and he has allowed me to diversify my talents beyond engineering. The result, I've been at my current company for 2+ years and have been identified as the successor to the CEO in 5-10 years. I can choose to be patient and logically wait for that time, but I may miss the opportunity to grow even more by doing so. I have chosen to leave in six months for starting my own company, for I recognize that from success or failure, I will still grow from an opportunity that my company could never give me.
    If you are interviewing these millienials, simply ask them why they are planning to leave. Don't let it affect your decision to hire someone. You may lose on a few hire, you may also win on others when you steal away an employee that someone else sank $100k in to train. That's the calculated risks that manager have to take. It's just business. Never personal.
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  • Posted by wiggys 9 years, 5 months ago
    is it any wonder why they are returning to live with their parents.
    is it any wonder why companies are stagnating because they do not keep people even though they may pay a very good wage.
    i noted that my neice now 32 i believe would get a job and 6 months later she knew all there was to know about the business so it was time to leave. she is very fortunate that her parents are well off and have a big house so she and her boy friend and their son have a place to live.
    the parents in these situations have failed to educate the child to the ways of the world, our world. so it is the parents who i put some blame too. hell if the president of the usa and the congress don't take responsibility why should the population.
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  • Posted by fosterj717 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Could it be that you have been taught from the earliest time that you are entitled to something just because you are alive? This sense of entitlement when not realized is the reason that you feel that the "rug has been pulled out from underneath you".

    life the way that we were taught is that you had to earn your "perks" and that nothing was going to be handed to you. Now, with a school experiment that has been going on since 1963, we are seeing this "mistrust" that you and your Millennials are feeling. Unfortunately, you and millions of others almost the 1960's have been spoon fed the same line of malarky.

    For all of the poor souls out there who have suffered this fate, I for one would consider suing the schools where I graduated (many times not really earned) for educational malpractice. Actually, we now have several generations, all raised and educated with this line of crap, that are now teaching the next generations.

    This is one of the techniques used to bring this country to the sad state we are in today. Just look at the bozos in DC. For what its worth!
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  • Posted by term2 9 years, 5 months ago
    Feeling "entitled" is a recipe for disaster. None of us are entitled to anything really
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  • Posted by term2 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I wouldn't make a good employee either. That's why I started a business of my own
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  • Posted by fosterj717 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I am on a board with a VP of a large school district and he told me that one of the main problems are that students are taught from the earliest grades on that they are "special" and from that they (the students" feel entitled. He said that he fears that we have created generations of "sociopaths" and that they have been disconnected from the realities of life, therefore, they have become "desensitized".

    These are serious manifestations of a totally failed social experiment that is going to cost us our culture, our country and even perhaps our very lives.

    This is what the Hegelian model has given us. We abandoned Reading Writing and Arithmetic (and yes, civics) for the brainwashing technique used by Nazis Germany and Stalinist Russia. Now we have a large segment of our population who feels "entitled" and totally tune with the propaganda!

    The Millennials are just a manifestation of this totally failed, "Progressive" educational system.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 9 years, 5 months ago
    I went onto independent consulting for the same reason, but it was after 4 years of work in a related field while earning my degree, and 9 years of work for 3 companies after graduation getting good experience much of that time. I never worked anywhere longer than 4 years because in my view it was my responsibility for my career and the large companies (like Deloitte mentioned in the article) have a completely different goal. I consulted for Deloitte, but I would never have fit in there enslaved as an employee scheming how to wring more money out of their clients instead of finding better solutions to benefit the clients.
    There was a time in the past when many companies offered security for their employees. That is not true today. Most companies cannot afford to pay for that security.
    The socialist, statist looters have destroyed the free market and along with it the middle class and jojb/retirement security.
    Every vote for the GOP or the Dems is another step toward the abyss.
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "I'm like an escapee from a cult. I've been de-programmed. Not everyone is so lucky."

    Lol.

    Seriously, though, thank you for your insight. We're glad you escaped the asylum and are here with the rest of us in Reality ;)
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  • Posted by awebb 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Think of it like being brain washed (I'm totally serious). You hear the same spiel over and over from your parents, politically correct teachers, colleges who want your money, etc. until you believe it.

    I truly believed I deserved more that $35,000/year after college even though I had no real job experience. (I had worked at restaurants and retail stores in college but never like a 9-5 serious job).

    I'm like an escapee from a cult. I've been de-programmed. Not everyone is so lucky.

    I think you'll like this article: http://waitbutwhy.com/2013/09/why-gen...

    By the way, I'm not trying to make excuses for millennials. We can't blame other people all our lives. We have to wake up and face reality. We have to make our own choice. I'm just trying to show you how we got to be the way we are.
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Well said. So why don't more millennials recognize the same things you have realized? Do they just want so badly to believe they are special that they don't stop to take a look at the reality that they are no more and no less special than anyone else? Or is there something else?
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    So I'd appreciate your feedback: what times have you had the rug pulled out from under you and by whom?

    You mention trust as if it was something you feel should be there but isn't. Any thoughts on that?
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Well said. And being in IT myself, the notion of breaking things to break things is absolutely stupid. It's what put Kmart out of business. But you don't break things in production just to see what happens.

    If the goal is knowledge, you can learn a lot about a process by doing two things: learning it, and asking questions about why it gets done that way. Now there are going to be times when the answer is "because we've always done it this way". That is a flag to warrant further investigation - but not an automatic sign of something in need of an "upgrade". You can get to the point (modern operating systems are the classic example) where you spend so much time in "upgrade" mode that you don't spend any time in "get things done" mode. There may be a better way of doing things, but that must be balanced against the cost of the change - and that cost includes not only hardware and software but re-training on new process: frequently the least quantifiable and most expensive part of the process.
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  • Posted by awebb 9 years, 5 months ago
    As a millennial, let me tell you what a HUGE part of the problem is: College. Colleges fill our heads with lies and it leads us to have an entitled attitude.

    Let me give you an example. When I was in college my career advisor told me not to take a $35,000/yr leadership development program position because I could do better. I did pass on the position (although looking back it was a very good opportunity that I probably should have taken) and actually didn't do better for about 3 years.

    Add the lies colleges tell us to the lies our parents tell us (you're special, you can do anything, etc.) and you can start to see why we have some pretty bloated egos.
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