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Reality Stranger Than Fiction

Posted by dbhalling 9 years, 3 months ago to Politics
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The ATF exposed


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  • Posted by 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I think you are optimistic the Supreme Ct had the chance to shot down civil asset forfeiture (CAF) and even Scalia voted for CAF
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  • Posted by $ Radio_Randy 9 years, 3 months ago
    Years ago, I believed the government was using unstable individuals in mass shootings...like the guy who opened up on a schoolyard with an AK-47. New laws immediately passed, banning the import and sale of military style weapons...laws that were written BEFORE the shooting, but were not getting sufficient support from legislators. The school shooting, conveniently, took care of that roadblock.

    If anyone believes this is beyond the capabilities of our government...just look at the Ruby Ridge standoff. That started with Federal agents convincing Randy Weaver to built sawed-off shotguns to feed his family. This is the same Randy Weaver who, previously, refused to be a government "mole" in the White Supremacist movement in Idaho. In the end, Weaver was found innocent of any and all charges stemming from that standoff...imagine that.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 9 years, 3 months ago
    Way back in the 80's, I had two ATF agents who were customers at my camera shop. They didn't need to buy cameras or accessories as Uncle Sammy supplied those, but they'd occasionally buy a frame or a filter. Mostly they enjoyed hanging out and talking about photography. While I personally liked them in the sense that they were affable, they worried me on another level. They told me stories of their "adventures" and made everything seem like a joke. They would begin by talking to each other with, "Remember the time we..." I thought they might be drunk, but I failed to detect any tell-tale signs. I'm not trying to infer that all ATF agents were like these two, but it does make you wonder. In my day, we were given stories on TV and radio like "The FBI In Peace And War" which portrayed sober, dedicated agents, and not clownish hangabouts. Lately, the stories about the Secret Service horndogs, and others makes one give pause and say, "Whatinell is going on?"
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  • Posted by term2 9 years, 3 months ago
    Hmm, another agency I would immediately dismantle if I were king. There is a long list of them actually that need to be dismantled.
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  • Posted by LibertyBelle 9 years, 3 months ago
    That's shocking! Or, should I better say, "nau-
    seating".How can they get away with that?--I
    guess there will eventually be a Supreme Court
    case. Except, the way things are going, will there
    still much longer be any due process?
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 9 years, 3 months ago
    I think a broader investigation into the DOJ dealings across the board would reveal just how much worse the situation is. An implement that I regard as entirely unconstitutional is the Grand Jury, where the accused is not allowed to present a defense (the clever logic there is that you don't need a defense when you haven't been charged yet). and a finding that an indictment is proper assures conviction.

    Judges are all too often obsessed with precedent, so creating a new excuse for prosecution almost guarantees the bench is biased toward the prosecution, since the judge wants to be the first to convict. Prosecutors make their careers on a high percentage of convictions, so sometimes charges aren't filed because the accused is too well connected, and other cases are like a kangaroo court, where the accused is swiftly railroaded.

    Leona Helmsley was all too open about her contention that "laws are for little people." The powerful and well connected are far more likely to avoid a conviction than Joe six pack. The farther up the political food chain, the more criminal license you're granted.
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  • Posted by Esceptico 9 years, 3 months ago
    Back to “Faith and Force.” The Christians think everyone is guilty because they were born and the government thinks everyone is guilty because they are in the country. Nothing new here.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That's a fact and it's taught in police academy as an interrogation technique. Most common? Your buddy ratted you out. He's going to walk with a small fine. Meanwhile the buddy has been told all is ok and handcuffs removed is paraded past the first guys open door. He's told to wave and smile and show his cuffs are off but no talking.

    Works every time. First the rights are read again with attention to the part about an attorney. then the deal making starts. "Well you see there were four of us and two got away." Ah you see who was the ringleader." THat was Jack.?"

    "Jack Meyers?

    "Hoff his last name is Hoff."

    I sneaked the last one in.

    Followed by a hand written etc. with rights repeated.

    Supreme Court ruling as I recall. Nothing says you have to be truthful with a criminal.

    That was forty years ago... Now you only have to say. Suspicion of supporting terrorists. The rest was null and voided by Obimbo
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  • Posted by khalling 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    the whistleblowers were either demoted or fired. there were three. Our angle initially was, what if Brian Tierry was not gunned down by actual cartel. what if...
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  • Posted by GaryL 9 years, 3 months ago
    Ha! "We are from the government and we're here to help you". Much in line with the fact that a cop can tell you all sorts of lies but it is illegal for you to lie to them.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 3 months ago
    When do the pre publication advance orders for Book III begin????????/? Like today!!!!!
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  • Posted by freedomforall 9 years, 3 months ago
    Thanks for posting it, Dale. It's been over 2 years since that article.
    Did the ATF agents involved get promotions and more power as some did after murdering 80 people in Waco?
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