Gary Johnson Runs Again: The Best Third Party Option?

Posted by $ ObjectiveAnalyst 5 years, 10 months ago to Politics
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Governor Johnson runs as a Libertarian again... again...

Is he high? Has his memory been so adversely effected that he can't recall his past failures? :)

Okay, all joking aside; Gov. Johnson has some attractive policies. But, does he now have the persona or the persuasive capacity to be a viable candidate, or will he just be seen as a despoiler in the next election?

It seems clear Sen. Paul is not likely to get the GOP nomination. Should he run as a third party candidate? Could/should he join forces with Gov. Johnson, or run against him for the Libertarian party support?

I know some of you will relish a third party alternative, while others will not.

Let the contest begin!

Respectfully,
O.A.
SOURCE URL: https://reason.com/blog/2016/01/06/gary-johnson-to-run-for-president-2016


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    Posted by freedomforall 5 years, 10 months ago
    Johnson would be the most rational choice for individual liberty and free markets.
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    • Posted by $ jdg 5 years, 10 months ago
      I agree. He cut the budget in each of his 8 years as governor. No other candidate can make that claim.
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      • Posted by $ 5 years, 10 months ago
        Hello jdg,
        That is impressive. What other politician can boast the same?
        Respectfully,
        O.A.
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        • Posted by term2 5 years, 10 months ago
          Totally unelectable however in this climate
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          • Posted by freedomforall 5 years, 10 months ago
            Only unelectable if conservative voters insanely continue down the GOP's proven road to servitude.
            Liberty must be defended or lost. Conservative voters have the choice to save American liberty or deliver America to its evil enemies.
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            • Posted by term2 5 years, 10 months ago
              I know we disagree on this, and thats ok. I just think its more efficient to pick the least bad alternative if we are given only two electable choices in our system. I would rather have a few more years of more freedom rather than less. I think the crash is a slow and agonizing 40-50 years in the future with more and more freedoms being relinquished by the likes of clinton, sanders, and such. Thats why I go for Trump, as he will slow the inevitable slide towards socialism for a few years.
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              • Posted by xthinker88 5 years, 10 months ago
                I put this comment elsewhere but it fits better here.

                Every time you vote for the lesser of two evils you are voting for more evil.

                And as a practical matter, Trump spent his whole life as a progressive democrat. His earlier books were chock full of progressive democrat ideas. He made his fortune off stealing property through eminent domain. Sorry that he's now got you hoodwinked into believing he is some sort of conservative. Even more sorry that he's hoodwinked so many others.
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                • Posted by term2 5 years, 10 months ago
                  He isn't a "conservative,". But the USA is a huge business that has nearly been destroyed by out of controlbspending, stupid foreign policies, and political correctness. I think trump will be the best shot poo t we have to counter these trends, and he is electable. The alternative is Hillary who would continue Obama policies
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              • Posted by freedomforall 5 years, 10 months ago
                I understand and disagree (as you already know;^)
                I think Trump will accelerate the decline in the direction of dictatorship. I can easily imagine asset forfeiture laws including transfers directly to corporate looters with only a bit of paperwork .
                As a Republican he will get little or no resistance from the parasites in the Dark Center. Just after election he will propose new gun restrictions, licensing, and "voluntary" confiscation "for our protection."
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                • Posted by term2 5 years, 10 months ago
                  You might get your wish relative to Trump. I just read a news story pumping his attempt to influence one of the NJ government bodies to take over some old lady's house . Eventually the government lost the case anyway.

                  But the problem is that the government tried to sieze the property with the eminent domain laws (which are the real intrusion on private property). Trump did try to USE the law to his benefit, but the problem is not trump, but the law itself.
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                  • Posted by freedomforall 5 years, 10 months ago
                    Trump proves himself to be a looter with his use of the unethical law. He initiated the process to STEAL the land from an owner who did not want to sell at the price Trump offered using the power of the state. Trump could have negotiated in good faith with the seller and accepted the free market result, He did not.
                    THis is exactly what you can expect from the arrogant, hubrist, looter HRM Trump.
                    All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men vote for evil.
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                    • Posted by term2 5 years, 10 months ago
                      He stood to benefit from the immoral law, true. But the law should be eliminated, instead of the supreme court validating the ability of communities to take private property.

                      I think we are all guilty of using government immoralities to our advantage. The government is into so many things, like using eminent domain to build roads that we all drive on, like developing drugs with tax money that we use (and dont even know about). What a mess. Trump was on the cutting edge of using immoral eminent domain laws, but i still say he would be better than Hillary.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 5 years, 10 months ago
      I'm going to do the same thing as has been done to me ...in reverse. Play the Devil's Advocate. What good will that do? No real backing. Reason is the source that claimed to have the good on Rand then listed blind alley references leading nowhere. Name recognition? What did I forget? Oh yes we don't support Libertarians and FEE. Paul? He quit the Libertarian, joined the Republicans and came out for a Pelosi style left wing tax Damaged goods. Also ducks questions. Color him quack quack quack. I looked through the article and saw nothing to get me excited that was better than that already suggested.

      So far....Webb would outclass him and so would Jindal. Besides WE want someone who can beat Hillary no matter what else happens.

      add to that give the Republicans another chance. I'm sure I forgot some of the reasons....But ALL of that aside....If and when and IF I see some solid facts at least as solid as the one's I presented for Fiorino Just color me Devils Advocate.....

      I reserve the right to call the witness later depending on his testimony. Facts in evidence post judice not prejudicial.
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      • Posted by freedomforall 5 years, 10 months ago
        I don't see anything you said that is applicable to Johnson.
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        • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 5 years, 10 months ago
          In that case then Johnson isn't applicable to the situation. I was hoping for something on him or others a bit more concrete but .....not even footnotes.
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          • Posted by freedomforall 5 years, 10 months ago
            Your comments on a bunch of looters and thieves in the GOP don't indicate anything about an independent candidate. I can't discern from your comments what "situation" you are referring to.
            A simple Google search on "Gary Johnson libertarian" (without the quotes) returns 831,000 results including lots of details on him. Give it a try and you will likely find good and bad about him, lots more than the MSM will cover since they serve the state, and Johnson (if elected) would likely start to dismantle it.
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            • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 5 years, 10 months ago
              Did that went there. So your plan is? Besides' If elected?' Or his plan. Never did find the substance. So...that's up to the candidate if he runs....keep us posted. The reason not to mention independents? Let's see there was Web,Carson, Trump of course. One retired veteran... Carly F. with Jindal as VP got more discussion and thumb up than the others.
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              • Posted by freedomforall 5 years, 10 months ago
                I have no idea what you are talking about. If you are complaining about Johnson not explaining his current positions yet, I agree that we still have to wait and see, but since he hasn't announced at all that is hardly a surprise. Unless his positions have changed completely from the last time he ran, he would be better than anything the GOP or Dems have as candidates, and a Libertarian would not be as likely a puppet to the political insiders and corporatocracy. Those alone are more than enough to say "Johnson would be the most rational choice for individual liberty and free markets." Whatever you are saying about Web, Carson, Trump, Carly, and Jindal is unclear to me.
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              • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 5 years, 10 months ago
                The situation is there is a plea for information that is not forthcoming. If he's viable it should be right up front.....If I have to dig that hard he isn't viable except to homies
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    Posted by $ jbrenner 5 years, 10 months ago
    I voted for former NM governor Gary Johnson for president before. I will probably do so again.
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    • Posted by $ 5 years, 10 months ago
      Hello jbrenner,
      It is always good to hear from you. It is a principled decision. I have high regard for standing on principle. If only more people would do so. I feel as if we are making some inroads with some of the electorate these days. Perhaps some (though probably not yet enough) of the ignorant masses are finally coming out of their stupor.
      It would please immensely to feel more confident and optimistic about the future again.
      Regards,
      O.A.
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  • Posted by Timelord 5 years, 10 months ago
    I've spent 20 years as an enthusiastic libertarian and Libertarian, former member of LP national and on the state central committee of LPCT for over 10 years (as Secretary, membership dude and web site dude). I've run for office as a Libertarian multiple times, including local office and statewide office. (I was elected twice to the regional board of education as a Republican but I was outspoken about libertarianism and how it would benefit us and used the word libertarian many times.) I was also the major reason that Rep Bob Barr was not on the Connecticut ballot as a Libertarian when he was the endorsed candidate for President. Those are my credentials with respect to LP candidacy; make of them what you will.

    To me, Gov. Johnson has a great personality, is an excellent speaker, understands and presents the Libertarian platform clearly and sincerely and is a whole lot more telegenic than any of the front-runners in the other two (well, one, really) parties. One major positive is that he can articulate LP policy with complete focus on how it will benefit everyone rather than complaining about how the other policies are harming us. It's hard to hold that course; libertarians have been complaining for decades!

    The biggest problem is media access. Lack of access is due to lack of money, AND the media's steadfast refusal to pay any attention at all to 3rd parties, AND the fact that the media would much rather focus on policies that they disagree with than those they agree with. And even when a Libertarian candidate manages to get ballot access and do a big media buy, no news outlet will cover it and no editorial board will pontificate about it. Well, there is the occasional editorial, sometimes even at major papers, and they invariably say, essentially, "wow, these libertarians have some really great ideas; it sure would be fantastic to implement those policies. BUT they can't possibly win an election and Candidate X has 1 great policy position and 2 we can choke down, and we know he's the opposite of what we want on 5 important platform planks, WE MUST STOP EVIL CANDIDATE Y FROM WINNING! (And by the way, Candidate Y has 1 great policy position and 2 we can choke down, and we know he's the opposite of what we want on 5 important platform planks BUT HE MUST NOT BE ALLOWED TO WIN.)

    It helps that he's a former Governor and that his policies actually proved to be effective. I don't know the details about everything he did as Gov but I'm sure some of it wasn't libertarian. I am confident, though, that in most cases what he did was better than what was being done, in other cases he had no chance of instituting libertarian policies, and in the ones where he was "wrong" he has sincerely changed his views.

    As Gulchers know, the LP doesn't fit at all into the left/right, progressive/conservative political model. In reality progressives would agree with at least 40% of our platform and conservatives would agree with at least 40% of our platform, but instead of progressives supporting the LP because they approve of gay marriage, complete legalization of drugs, non-intervention in foreign affairs, no federal abortion ban, and no corporate welfare, they focus on our support of bakeries turning away any customer they choose, 2A, property rights, right-to-work and no civilian welfare. Then the conservatives play the same game. That's how it plays out with the activists and media who funnel "information" to the masses. In the halls of power it's a whole different story. While the lefties and righties have a few definite disagreements they have at least 80% agreement on the proper level of gov't control and on gov't policy itself. Furthermore, even when they disagree with each other, both sides want to stay in power more than they want their favorite policy implemented.

    Both sides vote for huge spending increases, huge tax increases, massive expansion of regulatory power, interference in the energy sector (go, go, go solar and ethanol and wind, all of which can never work), more restrictions on gun ownership, more interference with medical care, more corporate welfare (ex-im bank ring a bell?), fatal economic policies, expansion of the military, wider and deeper foreign intervention, it goes on and on. The disagreements are all on the edges. "Let's all have a big row over abortion, gay marriage, and gun control! The "other side's" policies have led to the utter destruction of our society and it will never be restored until the "other side" is crushed and obliterated!"
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    • Posted by $ 5 years, 10 months ago
      Hello Timelord,
      So right. "The biggest problem is media access."
      We must keep pushing and supporting opposition voices to the two major parties until the media can no longer deny their voices opportunity to be heard as widely. The two party system lock must be broken, or at least one of the parties must be brought back to Constitutional principles and restraint. It is this statist establishment leaning of both major parties that must be "crushed and obliterated!"
      Respectfully,
      O.A.
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      • Posted by DeanStriker 5 years, 10 months ago
        Yes, but when if ever might the whole rotten bunch be crushed and obliterated? Only, and just maybe, after the Great Collapse shuts it all down, but then, most people somehow believe they must be Governed by Force. Not a pretty picture.
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        • Posted by $ 5 years, 10 months ago
          Hello DeanStriker,
          The "Great Collapse" is already upon us. It is just that many in power, have been sheltered from it and the political ramifications by means of bread and circuses. Those in power, or pulling the strings and the receivers of the unearned have had too much power over producers. Those that carry the burden have been too patient and benevolent. I am encouraged that at least it seems as if many have had enough. I mean, could you have imagined the fervor over Trump? The populism evinces a great deal of discontent. It is a strange political season. Prepare for a bumpy ride.
          Respectfully,
          O.A.
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    • Posted by $ blarman 5 years, 10 months ago
      "As Gulchers know, the LP doesn't fit at all into the left/right, progressive/conservative political model. In reality progressives would agree with at least 40% of our platform and conservatives would agree with at least 40% of our platform, but instead of progressives supporting the LP because they approve of gay marriage, complete legalization of drugs, non-intervention in foreign affairs, no federal abortion ban, and no corporate welfare, they focus on our support of bakeries turning away any customer they choose, 2A, property rights, right-to-work and no civilian welfare. Then the conservatives play the same game."

      Well said. It's very easy to focus on the differences, but very difficult to focus on similarities, but it is in the similarities where we find political allies.
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    • Posted by DeanStriker 5 years, 10 months ago
      Yes, it's all a MellUvaMess. When a good man like Johnson can garner only 2% of the vote, we're done for. The LP keeps struggling along, but the bucks are not coming in. Sad, but it's all about the money, so it's said!
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  • Posted by Texian 5 years, 10 months ago
    I have libertarian values love Ron Paul and Harry Browne but they've been around as a party for almost 50 years without success... My libertarian friends and I are infesting the GOP with far greater success than I've ever seen in the Libertarian Party. Ultimately a libertarian takeover of the GOP has a far greater chance of achieving my goals of a limited and microscopic government but I just have a hard time believing the US won't crumble before folks finally 'wake-up' and see freedom as the ultimate solution.
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    • Posted by bsmith51 5 years, 10 months ago
      The Ron Paul people packed the ballots with candidates for Precinct Committee Officers in my county a few years ago. With the majority they gained in the county, they completely turned out the moderates who had been running the Party for years according to instructions from on high. Now we actually have a voice and have made the local party a bottom-up organization. But the moderates who were turned out are still mad as hell. In the last quarterly meeting, with 76 total in attendance, 25 walked out in the middle, took their marbles and went home.
      Politics goes to those who show up. But it ain't easy, and there's little thanks for it.
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    • Posted by Timelord 5 years, 10 months ago
      Libertarian friends of mine took over the Republican party in a small Connecticut city. Unfortunately every seat held by R in that town was because of minority representation rules. They never, or nearly never, influenced policy. After a few years the old-guard Republicans regained control and remain as ineffective as ever.
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    • Posted by Timelord 5 years, 10 months ago
      Harry Browne, a hero of mine who I met twice, has been around so long that he's dead. ALS, as I recall.

      I used to be an enthusiastic Ron Paul supporter, but he might be as crazy as Ben Carson. He at least used to be a creationist, young earther, evolution denier. In his favor, though, that was never part of his politics and he was spot on with Libertarian principles almost all the time - much more so than Rand. He demonstrated over decades that his religious beliefs were his own and didn't dictate his politics. Maybe I just talked myself into staying a fan.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 5 years, 10 months ago
      Now there is a plan....can you entice others besides libertarians in support of that effort. Given the split between libertarians and objectivists. How do you evaluate chances on a nation wide basis both grass roots and in Congress?

      My Fiorini plan was half humor and half a look at the reality of taking advantage of a some awesome cracks in and chinks int he armor of the left. The key was the VP with fiorini as the camel's nose and the VP as the camel obviously not just another Rino. but a solid individual grounded in the Constitution and a background in fiscal responsibility.

      the problem is breaching the closed election system wall the left has built around the process as the neo- original definition conservatives they give the term a bad name but they are the party in power from Rino to Dino to Comrade.

      It can't be done with out some kind of coalition focused on the main issue first and the secondary non sacred grouond issues later.

      Cease Enabling
      Take Control
      Make Changes
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  • Posted by Herb7734 5 years, 10 months ago
    There is no possibility that enough conservatives would move from the Republican Party to the Libertarian. Also, I'd be willing to bet that of those Libertarians, dissatisfied Republicans, Objectivists and peripherals all got together, they'd hardly make a blip in this election. The reason for that, as you can tell by the so-called debates which are a ridiculous display and certainly not true debates, the appeal is to the lowest common denominator. We have devolved into political theater. Voting for a 3rd party Libertarian Party that could win, would require a majority of thinking, moderately intelligent people who keep track of and understand the issues. Hello? Anyone there?
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    • Posted by fosterj717 5 years, 10 months ago
      It really doesn't matter what the establishment types do because they will support an establishment candidate. As for Cruz, most would jump behind him if he were the candidate with the exception of some hard right constitutional types who refuse to believe that Cruz is eligible to be president. Also, you have clowns like McCain who would rather vote for a Socialist or even a Communist over Cruz.

      In the end however, if the Republican party is going to continue to be "stupid" in their attacks on Conservatives, it will be they who will be the owners of their defeat by the Dems. As they say, "Stupid is as stupid does" and McCain is the glaring example of Stupidity!!!!

      Cruz will be fine as long as he keeps his cool and let's things play out. That includes with Trump.

      Libertarians and Objectivists if they are smart enough, will find the right path that will give us the candidate the country needs for moving the country off of the disastrous course we are currently on. If they cannot, then they will suffer the same fate as the Establishment types. Lost election perhaps a new and reinvigorated party!
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      • Posted by DeanStriker 5 years, 10 months ago
        Darn few real "conservatives" left - most have moved to the grey middle we call neocons, while most everybody in D.C. is acting like a war-monger. Doesn't bode well.
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        • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 5 years, 10 months ago
          Conservative is a meaningless term. Neocons are leftists looking for votes. Liberal is also a meaningless term. Use their definitions they own you.It's only grey if you color it that way. Another name for smoke, mirrors, and spin.
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          • Posted by fosterj717 5 years, 10 months ago
            You are spot on! Most who call themselves conservative are really NEOCONS (big government, over-use of the military and support the growth of the Security State). In addition they also lean towards govt partnering with big business (crony-capitalism/market socialism).

            Using labels accurately means that "true" conservatives are really Classical Liberals and NEOCONs and Liberal/Progressives are really the ones leading us towards the Brave New World of Huxley or 1984, etc. of Orwell.

            Scary thought as to just how out of touch most Americans are as to their true political leanings!
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  • Posted by $ richrobinson 5 years, 10 months ago
    It depends on the Republican nominee. If an establishment candidate wins the nomination I would vote for Johnson. He is not a viable alternative, however, because he won't get the attention Perot did and has no chance of winning. Trump would have a shot as a third party candidate but most likely we would be stuck with Hillary.
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    • Posted by $ 5 years, 10 months ago
      Hello richrobinson,
      I hear you. I will weigh the amount of statism in each candidate and make the best choice possible when it comes right down to it. The establishment types already have two strikes against them in my book.
      Regards,
      O.A.
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      • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 5 years, 10 months ago
        Optimist. I gave the Rinos three strikes and watched/listened to the others jump the fence into that cess pool. Only one Democrat and Zero Republicians had the balls or whatever the PC term s...Never mind PC is just short hand for eunuch.
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  • Posted by fosterj717 5 years, 10 months ago
    Rand Paul would definitely make the more attractive candidate in that scenario because he has ample name recognition. As for Gov Johnson, by all means he should consider a run because it all depends on how the Republican primaries and how the R establishment handles this election.

    Keep in mind, in this climate and time a 3rd party candidate who espouses Conservative (notice I did not say big R Republican) ideals will have a strong candidacy because there is so much disgust with the Republicans who are in control in Washington. With the exception of a few (I.e., Rand Paul, Ted Cruz and Ben Carson) the rest are pretty much "go along to get along" types who do little if anything to restore the Constitution, fiscal responsibility, or a limiting of an out of control leviathan called the "Federal Government".

    The problem with a viable 3rd party candidacy is that it will drain votes from the "R's" however, because of the sorry state of our country, the destruction of a moribund apparatus may be a good thing because out of the ashes perhaps a new and revitalized party that understands where it must go will come into being.

    Right now, we have a status quo even with R's in power for the most part that has done absolutely nothing to stem our slide into a Socialist morass. If they are not going to resist as the "loyal opposition" then what does it matter which label they give themselves. All trickery that outsiders can and must highlight and defeat!

    For what its worth!
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 5 years, 10 months ago
      Draining votes from the R epublicans for from the Rinos? Last two paragraphs work for me. If it can't be fixed let it die. In fact all your paragraphs are spot on.
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      • Posted by fosterj717 5 years, 10 months ago
        I understand your confusion as to my first paragraph. I use the term (rightfully or wrongfully) R (big R) Republicans meaning the Establishment who is still firmly in control and will do anything to hold on to their power, regardless of the damage they are doing to our country. Hence giving this president everything he has been demanding. That is not in our best interests however it is in the best interests of the denizens of the Beltway......

        To me, 70% (my guess) of these "Republicans" are either to inept or just plain do not understand their jobs and only wait for their leadership to give them their marching orders. Or, they are indeed pretending to support the republic but in reality are representing a ruling elite in a country that in reality is nothing but an Oligarchy
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  • Posted by cem4881 5 years, 10 months ago
    I am delighted Gary Johnson is running again. His name already has recognition from his previous elected post as governor of New Mexico. His experience will be invaluable. I am told he would ban the burqa! After thinking about it and listening to all the people moan and groan about stepping on rights to practice your religion, I suddenly realized he was right. The burqa is not a matter of choice for these women, their rights are violated being made to wear it. Why should we allow their community to violate their rights?
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    • Posted by $ 5 years, 10 months ago
      Hello cern4881,
      I have listened to Gary Johnson many times over the years and he does make a lot of sense on a lot of issues. If the MSM which is so obviously in the pockets of the "two" party candidates would give third party options the time of day perhaps his odds would improve. A lot of young people do support him, so perhaps the younger generations will make positive change as they feel the burdens past statists have unfairly saddled them with.
      Respectfully,
      O.A.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 5 years, 10 months ago
      So we have one plank anything else. like pulling hens teeth...
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      • Posted by cem4881 5 years, 10 months ago
        Actually the best place to find out would be to check his website for his position on issues, and also to check the libertarian party platform.
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        • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 5 years, 10 months ago
          Not much there correction not enough substance there.... maybe that will change. Who you got to support the inadequate libertarian vote?
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          • Posted by cem4881 5 years, 10 months ago
            Hopefully you.
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            • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 5 years, 10 months ago
              That's not impossible but suppose I made taking the Constitutionalists and the Objectivists into a coalition as the price of my vote. A real coalition.

              That is by the way the price. Atlas Society meeting in Las Vegas good place to present a basic outline and ask for the comment. Primarily what is your sacred ground and what are your willing to set aside for the moment. Secondarily what seat at what table. Alison for SecTreas for one. Third would you consider goinig for VP initially as a camel's nose tactic.

              My vote isn't cheap.
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  • Posted by DavidRawe 5 years, 10 months ago
    Im a member of the US Constitution party. I even ran at the state level against a Republican and Libertarian. While coming in 3rd i was very close to the Libertarian. I think we really need to break away from the Reps and Dems (I feel that they are one mega-party anyway). Its time for The People to be empowered!
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 5 years, 10 months ago
      Excellent! What are you Constitutionalists planning for this go round? What is the current website address??

      I claim three titles recovering cynical realist, objectivist in training and unaffiliated Constitutional Centrist. i just put a post up on Cruz vs Obama and place of birth requirement.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 5 years, 10 months ago
    I frankly would welcome an expansion from the existing two-party system. The US is one of the few republics where politicians are pretty much restricted to two parties. I'd love to see a breakdown more like this:

    Progressive Party: Hillary Clinton (and most Democrats).
    Socialist Party: Bernie Sanders and other Democrats. Of course, that depends on whether or not any of them really can tell the difference between a Progressive and a Socialist ;)
    Republican Party: (Establishment Republicans) Marco Rubio, Jeb Bush, John Kasich
    Big Business Party: Donald Trump, Carly Fiorina
    Constitutional Party: Ted Cruz, Bobby Jindal
    Libertarian Party: Rand Paul
    Evangelical Party: Rick Santorum, Mike Huckabee

    The one I am having a hard time placing is Dr. Ben Carson.

    Feel free to add your quibbles. This was just a quick "feel" separation - not an exhaustively researched opinion.

    I think that it does serve another purpose, however - to point out why the "Republican" Party is so badly fractured. What we really have in this country are Democrats and Everyone Else. It's what we've seen really since Perot ran against Bush and Clinton and we really started seeing a major divide in the country as the Democrats slid Progressive, the Republicans slid towards more Social Democrats and left pretty much everyone else in the lurch.
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    • Posted by freedomforall 5 years, 10 months ago
      I like the parties you list, but I'd send all the politicians mentioned "to the moon."
      All the national politicians have proven they are incompetent to represent the best interests of free people. They need to be retired, by force if required.
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  • Posted by Lnxjenn 5 years, 10 months ago
    I never thought he was that bad. Definitely worse out there! And he's definitely a better option than a good majority of "Establishment" and Democrats! I'd definitely vote third party. I like Paul; I thought he could do well as third party. But who knows... People are sick of both parties... GOP is almost extinct. I don't even think they are Democrat Light anymore!
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  • Posted by DeanStriker 5 years, 10 months ago
    It's been a LONG time since the Libertarian Party has been viable; makes me sad indeed. Gov Johnson was a good choice, but the LP for whatever reasons gets very little support. Wayne Allyn Root left the party after being running mate to a defunct republican; Rand Paul is naught but a pseudo-libertarian who screwed up at the RNC when he ditched his Dad and turned to that flaky neocon Romney. The Dem-Rep now-collectivist war-monger monopoly now clearly has America by the throat. Voting is no longer then answer, if indeed it ever was!
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  • Posted by Rex_Little 5 years, 10 months ago
    Realistically, no Objectivist or libertarian is going to be elected President, even if they run as a major party candidate--because the American electorate is scared silly of anyone with a shred of ideological consistency, no matter what sort. Those of you old enough to remember what happened to Barry Goldwater and George McGovern know I'm right.
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    • Posted by $ 5 years, 10 months ago
      Hello Rex_Little,
      Indeed. I remember Goldwater, though I was quite young then and McGovern (8 years later?). It is an interesting history lesson to be considered and incorporated into one's political science philosophy. Rand supported Goldwater, but we never had a president Goldwater did we? :) Still, one must choose their own poison, since there never seems to be a perfect candidate for us.
      Respectfully.
      O.A.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 5 years, 10 months ago
    I'm curious how many people would vote for a moderate libertarian candidate if there were some instant runoff system that allowed you to vote a 2nd choice if your 1st choice did not get a majority. I would vote libertarian (or some moderate form of libertarian that respects IP rights) every time if I weren't afraid of indirectly helping a Republican.

    "he denied he would be siphoning votes only from the Republican candidate"
    I agree. I'm certainly not the only Democrat who wants a smaller, less intrusive gov't but would rather settle for a traditional establishment Democrat than risk getting a Republican.
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    • Posted by Timelord 5 years, 10 months ago
      I long ago decided that I would never vote for the lesser of two evils. I will only pull the lever for a candidate that I actually want to win. Being afraid of helping a D or R is a losing game. When people whine to me about some politician I can say, "why did you vote for him?" Nobody is ever happy with that question. On the other hand they will hear "I didn't" no matter which elected criminal he's accusing me of supporting.

      Historically LP candidates take slightly more votes from R than D, but not by much. The thought of being a spoiler and swinging an election fills me with great joy and I would admit that even to the editorial boards of the NYT and WSJ. It means that we have influence and that enough people support our policies to make a difference. It's our path to the center ring rather than sitting at the kids' table (love mixing metaphors).

      [[... would rather settle for a traditional establishment Democrat than risk getting a Republican]] Really? Why? Carefully consider what would be different if Mitt Romney had won. We'd still be at war with exactly the same people we're at war with now, Mitt was a cheerleader for the collectivist takeover of health care in MA so we'd probably have Romneycare instead of Obamacare. Romney is no friend of gun owners. He likely would have continued with the Bush and Obama penchant for EO's and signing statements. No doubt he'd have taken very nearly the same path with regard to energy policy. There would still be plenty of Solyndras, it would just be Romney's crowd instead of Obama's. Romney would SURELY be less corrupt and arrogant. Mrs. Heinz-Romney would definitely not have destroyed school lunches like Shelly Obama did (but "Ketchup is a vegetable" would be a constitutional amendment). For better or worse we would probably have a more coherent policy about sticking our noses into other countries' business. (I'm in favor of an immediate and complete withdrawal from Iraq and Afghanistan (and Turkey) but I think Obama's wishy washy flip-flopping do-nothing-but-make-speeches-at-them policies have enabled the real Islam to come to the surface, and other destructive groups, too. Uncertainty at the core directly empowers increased chaos at the fringe. I've been a lifetime watcher of the edges of things, the edge in every sense, physical objects, virtual objects (like computer code), and conceptual objects (conceptual objects, ha!, oxymoron alert), things like political parties or any organized group of biological objects).

      Imagine a sphere of liquid spinning within a vessel of less dense liquid. Everything will be quite stable and the boundaries of the denser sphere will be just a little fuzzy but still well defined. Another feature is that, because of friction, the liquid at the center will be spinning faster than at the edges. Now imagine slipping a thin shaft into the center through one of the poles and releasing a latch and a small square pops out of the side of the shaft. That will introduce terrific turbulence into the rapidly spinning center and it will ripple quickly out to the edge. When it reaches the boundary a large part of the outer layer will be perturbed and you'll witness a chaotic dispersal of that material. The Obama administration is the tiny square that introduced destructive, chaotic turbulence into the powerful center and a lot of the chaos and violence that sprung up at the boundaries of humanity was the direct result.

      Granted it's been happening since before Obama but on a much smaller scale. I've heard it said that Kennedy was the first president who was subjected to inspection of his personal life by the media. He was assassinated when I was 8 mos. old so I don't have first hand knowledge. The rapid progression of communications technology since then has made scrutiny by the masses more and more intense. It seems to me that the current mode of promoting a presidential candidate by trying to systematically rip apart your opponents on every issue, both political and personal, started in earnest with the G. W. Bush vs Al Gore election and devolved from there very rapidly. I think the Clinton administration was the direct cause. Millions of people saw Bill and Hillary as pathological liars, chronic cheaters, surrounded by political cronies, viciously attacking their enemies, viciously attacking former friends, corrupt to the core, power seeking regardless of the methods required, and possessed with a reprehensible moral code. Then millions of other people saw Bill Clinton as a charismatic, country bumpkin messiah who only wanted to save us all (from ourselves) and all the bad news about them was just a conspiracy by internet wackos, radio hosts, and unhinged Republicans who were making it all up. Those were the same people who looked directly at a certain blue dress and heard first hand what went on under the desk in the oval office and closed their eyes, plugged their ears and said, "La la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la!"

      Aside from instant runoff voting my greatest desire would be to have a line on the ballot for None of the Above. I would want 55% of the population to vote the party line for NOTA. I want a Constitutional amendment that when NOTA wins it's illegal for the endorsed D and R who just lost to run again. Maybe even put them in prison or an induced coma, as long as there's no chance we'll hear a peep out of them until the next election is held.

      I wish that every 6 months we had the opportunity to vote the speaker of the house and the senate president out of those positions. I wish election day was every year on Nov 11, 4 days before federal income tax forms are due. What better way to honor our veterans? What better way to ensure that everyone has the day off for voting? I wish letters address to US Congressman and Senators were postage free and I wish it was a felony for them not to be opened and read within 48 hours of hitting the congressional post office. Related, I wish schools would resume teaching grammar, spelling and punctuation so those letters would be intelligible.
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      • Posted by CircuitGuy 5 years, 10 months ago
        There's a lot of interesting stuff here. I wish I had a diagram of the concentric spheres of spinning liquid of different densities being disrupted by a thin shaft.

        The only part I have a significantly different take on is I think it's easy for the average citizen to write her congressman and senator in an intelligible way and that if a politician's mail is running largely for or against something the politicians usually follow their constituents.
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        • Posted by Timelord 5 years, 10 months ago
          Ahoy CG, the spinning spheres aren't concentric, it's just a sphere of denser liquid spinning within a less dense liquid. However, because some of the energy from the center will be lost as heat less than 100% will be used to impart motion to those slightly further away. You an also look at it from the outside and say that even though the denser material will tend to hold together it will also be dragging against the less dense and losing energy to it (as heat and motion). The fact that the liquid rotates around the axis slower as the distance from the center increases does mimic concentric spheres in some ways except a graph if the rpm vs distance would be smooth instead of stepped.

          It is easy, I guess, for a constituent to write to his Congresscritter, although who actually writes and sends messages on actual physical media any more? People may also not know that ever since the anthrax scares some years ago all mail (letters and packages) destined for the legislative offices is opened and inspected for contaminants - resulting in a terrific delay in delivery. I don't think postcards suffer the same fate.

          I have also heard that:
          - a physical letter is weighted as representing the opinion of a large number of constituents
          - a hand written physical letter counts more than a typed one because it's not a form letter
          - a phone call to the office counts as the opinion of many constituents but I don't know how it ranks against letters.
          - a fax counts less than a letter
          - an email counts less than fax

          I had heard that some congresscritters don't count emails at all because so many of them are generated by web sites. See, for example, how DownsizeDC.org and gunowners.org (GOA) both make it very, very easy for a constituent to send a msg that goes through the official's contact-me web page. Those web pages were initially designed to ensure real people were sending messages (as opposed to any group with 1 clever member who can generate hundreds of thousands of emails). But clever and persistent programmers designed systems that automate sending messages through the official web contact forms.

          Without regard to the method of contact, this statement is troubling in its truthiness," if a politician's mail is running largely for or against something the politicians usually follow their constituents". That sounds great, especially when the majority agrees with ME, but in reality that describes a democracy. I'd rather live under a benevolent dictator than a democracy! If only we could all sleep tight with the knowledge that our elected federal servants were fighting tooth and nail every day to protect the Constitution. It's not perfect but it's lightyears ahead of anything that came before it, or since as far as I know. In our real world, the one that Objectvism demands we recognize, the federal House and Senate started breaking their oaths to defend the Constitution beginning with Congressional Session #1. For anyone who's interested and doesn't know the story, do a web search on Davey Crockett's run for re-election. A prominent farmer in his district put the fear of Zeus into him for one of the votes he cast.
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    • Posted by Timelord 5 years, 10 months ago
      " moderate libertarian candidate " I sincerely hope never to encounter such a candidate! A Libertarian candidate should be libertarian. It's very hard to find candidates who are 100%, and there are even a few legitimate disagreements within the LP, but he as least has to be close!

      A Libertarian is justified in agreeing to incremental improvements in law and policy, that's how we got where we are, after all. But his goal, or his fondest wish, should be the full Libertarian position.
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      • Posted by CircuitGuy 5 years, 10 months ago
        "A Libertarian is justified in agreeing to incremental improvements in law and policy,"
        Yes. Just keeping nominal gov't spending constant year-to-year would be a huge coup.
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  • Posted by archerb55 5 years, 10 months ago
    third party is all well and good..... However, third party will never win a national election. unfortunatly we live in a two party system. i realize we all want change and the third party for some is very inviting. a third party libertarian will only steal the votes from the republicans (conservative) party which makes the election of a progressive liberal that much easier.....maybe sometime in the future this country will move to a three or four party system but 2016 is not that time.....
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    • Posted by $ CBJ 5 years, 10 months ago
      In every presidential election, people are told that they are “wasting their vote” if they vote for the Libertarian candidate.

      As one who has voted for every Libertarian presidential candidate since 1972, I think the exact opposite is true. By voting for my principles, my votes over the years have had far more impact than if I had allowed the two “establishment” parties to dictate my choices.

      Consider this: no matter how you have voted for President in the past, your vote has never made a difference in the outcome. Nor will it do so in the future. Even if you live in a “swing state” that could go either way, your lone vote will not spell the difference between victory and defeat for either establishment party candidate.

      So if you can’t change the election outcome, why vote at all? The answer is that by voting Libertarian, you will be adding to the vote totals of the only party that consistently supports individual freedom. And those vote totals matter – the establishment parties pay close attention when a significant number of voters break with the two-party system, and they will often modify their stands on certain issues to protect their base and prevent further defections.

      On the other hand, if you vote for the “lesser of two evils,” you are saying in effect, “I support the political status quo. I have faith in the two-party system, and I’m not interested in supporting candidates from other parties, even if they have fresh ideas that I agree with. I don’t like either of the two establishment party candidates, but I will vote for Establishment Party Candidate X because he is not quite as bad as Establishment Party Candidate Y.” This truly is a waste of your vote, and does nothing to advance the cause of freedom.
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      • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 5 years, 10 months ago
        That will work only if the Libertarians sponsor a coalition of splinters if it's just a plea for votes you have not made your case. Coalitions are wonderful tools look how well they have served the left socialist fascists. On the right track but hook up more engines. and a thumbs up.

        for the rest of you Rand comment is three answers, right, wrong compromise. Which makes one right and two wrong answers. That applies to supporting the left an openly discussed and set up coalition answers the questions and corrects the false premises. Porterhouse versus turkey dogs.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 5 years, 10 months ago
      What makes you think the Republicans are Conservative or even more far fetched not leftists. Any group who sucks up to the left and caves on everything to snap of their masters fingers might be the right wing of the left but. This clown they have that replaced Boehner might as well wear a hilly 2008 2016 T Shirt.

      If you are referring to the non-Rino majority they are still Republicans and at the very very least enablers.

      There is a one of them who doesn't believe in Government over citizens which makes them staunch leftists although yippy yappy puppy dogs is a better descriiption.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 5 years, 10 months ago
      Wrong we live in a one party system or rather a one party coalition with two faces and a heavily controlled voting and candidate selection system. Fascism basic definition is control by any means necessary. Maybe in the future is a failed 50 plus year old answer. Being affected by the national debt use to be in the future until the government violated Keynes major caveat now it's in YOUR face.
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    • Posted by archerb55 5 years, 10 months ago
      i could better understand voting for a third party IF the effort was put into developing that third party into a viable choice. at one point i thought the 'tea party' would come through and develope... obviously not. libertarians have always been around but in my eyes have done nothing to perpetuate the party. there needs to be a movement of sorts in the 'off season' to rally voters behind their cause. and until there is a concerted effort among third party candidates and or voters to do so..... we will be stuck in this two party system until that happens, my vote goes to the conservative who best reflects my political beliefs and morals. ANY conservative or republican is going to be better than what we have or what we will get because some voters insist on going third party change happens one step at a time. and if one thinks a third party will take an election by storm and make it all better again, then they are sadly mistaken and this country will continue its spiral into nothingness. in my view ANY conservative is going to be better than a progressive liberal..... they may indeed be more of the same, but the spiral will be slowed down enough to make whatever third party grow into something viable.
      voting third party does what? satisfy what? and prove what? in the meantime we sit in this blog and complain about how this country is going down the tubes? how our freedoms are being eroded one by one? God forbid any of us pick a conservative that closely matches our views and work to get them elected. we are much to stubborn for the likes of that.....
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      • Posted by freedomforall 5 years, 10 months ago
        Catch 22. You demand that the 3rd party become a success or you will continue to vote for the evil statist party. They can't become successful BECAUSE you continue to ignore your principles and vote for evil statists. The statist party has rigged the election PROCESS so no 3rd party can succeed while conservatives support the supposed lesser evil. YOU and others like you who continue to ignore history, ignore reality of 30 years of Republican betrayal, are the reason no 3rd party succeeds. ONLY when conservative voters accept that their GOP votes are responsible for the expansion of the state and vote based on pro-liberty principles en mass consistently for the third party candidates will there be any viable 3rd party.
        If you want liberty you have the choice: vote for the third party against the statists, or band together to stop the statists by force.
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      • Posted by $ CBJ 5 years, 10 months ago
        A "conservative that closely matches our views" on what? Prosecuting victimless crimes? Outlawing gay marriage? Prohibiting abortion? Prayer in public schools? Supporting endless wars?

        To say nothing of the fact that most of these "conservatives" sell out to the left at the first opportunity. Five years after Republicans re-took the House (and thus the purse strings) Obamacare is still alive and funded.

        Are these the people we really want to rely on, and vote for, to preserve what's left of our freedom? At least third parties give us a means of protest and a place to go when both "major" parties betray our principles and our trust.
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      • Posted by archerb55 5 years, 10 months ago
        just to add one more tidbit...
        there will NEVER be a candidate that a voter will agree with 100% on every issue no matter what party i agree with conservatives on some issues and libertarians on other issues..... the lib isn't going to win anything third party right now so my vote will go to a conservative .... you need to win an election to bring change.... and at this point in history progressives need to be taken down and taken down hard.....
        i would vote libertarian IF you show me one that has a chance of winning ..... as long as a progressive is in charge... we ALL lose
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        • Posted by $ CBJ 5 years, 10 months ago
          The only reason "progressives" are in charge is that most "conservatives" in positions of power are anti-freedom on social issues and ineffectual compromisers on economic issues (witness Obamacare). This is not likely to change even if a Republican wins the White House this year.
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      • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 5 years, 10 months ago
        As long as the potential start points keep playing in their private little sand boxes they will continue to have sand in their eyes. No vision. The differences are specious anyway and the main beliefs are like the Golden Rule for the nine great monotheistic religions ....Same sentence different words.

        There is a reason they are called splinter party's and disregarded and ignored. It's the definition of splinter.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 5 years, 10 months ago
    Let's change the parameters.

    Suppose Governor Johnson ran for Vice President. Specifically. and for nothing else.

    Positives. Record of fiscal responsibility as a leader. Can be the Presidents point man on that issue. I set up the same argument for Jindal

    He would bring in a lot of conservatives, libertarians some objectivists. The possibility of a strong economic Randist Allison if he's not to old. other splinter parties with the coalition method, independents minus the Bernie types, disaffected, disenchanted, and disenfranchised that any of th eother remaining candidates could not influence

    Questions - How was he on the border issue? Don't count on La Raza they are Guevaristas.

    Negatives - The one in that position needs to be young enough to do eight and eight. On the other hand if he resigned the President selects his own VP.

    Permanent Negative. Would not bring in the looter faction. that's Trumps area.

    Coalition to attract support. Find out what is sacred ground. Example For me is Constitution. Prioritize list of goals of each faction. What is most common area of agreement. Might be something as simple as defeat Hillary regain Citizens over Government. Might. Not my place to give more than examples.

    Offer something. A seat at the table or in some part of Government. Cabinet Secretaries etc etc. All who fit best are a Coalition of...pick a suitable name with no bad connotations.

    Do the same for non traditional disaffected groups. Latinos come instantly to mind. Middle class and elderly church going blacks comes to mind. Won't get all but you will get some....

    all based on who gets the top spot nomination and can they be trusted make a deal and keep it. Which leaves trump out and probably All Establishment Rinos. Bush, Christie, etc etc.

    One test is are you willing to consider forming a new party out of the remnants of the old one.

    Apply the same methods to any and all source of votes at all levels.

    Goal is to break the back ot he establishment by splitting the RINO Republicans and causing a lot of establishment money and resources to be spent fighting brush fires all over the place. Do not make deals with them. They can't be trusted.

    The rest are do nothing obstructionist defeatists so just shine them on. d

    That is the short version the long version is off the couch and do something that is useful. If not Johnson then who or whom?

    Fact of Life.... No matter how good the intention you will get nothing done without the followinig

    Quit Enabling
    Work with not against
    Take control
    Make changes

    Cannot do the last without the first three. Words alone never grew one tomato or fixed the roof on one house.
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