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If You Could Ask Ayn Rand One Question....

Posted by awebb 8 years, 3 months ago to The Gulch: General
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If you had the opportunity to ask Ayn Rand any one question, what would it be?


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  • Posted by $ allosaur 8 years, 3 months ago
    Here is old dino's question~
    In the nonfictional world of the here and now, there really is no place to shrug, is there?
    Bonus question~
    We really have to find a way to beat those progressive slugs, don't we?
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    • Posted by wiggys 8 years, 3 months ago
      dino,
      there is no way to defeat them. the usa government pays well over 3 or 4 million and they will not allow their positions i.e. incomes be stopped. Just like L.Peikoff has thrown up his hands in disgust I believe he has, Ayn Rand would as well. If asked what should we do she might very well tell us you can take a horse to water, etc. I think the retired Col from yesterdays posts is probably very right in his observations. Once we hit bottom and I do not believe it is to far off the usa will have a population that is as ill educated as that of most of the rest of the world and those of us who are thinkers of today (our generation) will have died off and those left will not have any around to guide them in the rebuilding process. This will go to show that the usa is in fact not invincible.
      I would say good luck to those who survive but they will need more than luck.
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      • Posted by $ allosaur 8 years, 3 months ago
        If that is the way it has to be, I'm glad I've lived most of my life. Hate it for my kids and their kids.
        For their sake, I will not go quietly into the night.
        My passed away mama used to say, "The squeaking wheel gets the grease.".
        It does not appear that squeaking buys grease unless you're PC or a Muslim anymore, but that movie, "The Mouse That Roared" suddenly comes to mind.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 3 months ago
      Yes but it means standing on the sidelines until the dust settles and they've all cut each others collective throats and there is nothing left to loot.

      Yes.
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      • Posted by $ allosaur 8 years, 3 months ago
        That sideline standing just may lead to 2084 looking like the novel 1984, which would be burned for banned by then.
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        • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 3 months ago
          Rome wasn't built in a day. Neither was the USA nor was it destroyed in a day. There are no magic twangers Froggy. Doesn't mean just stand. You might find some motors to turn off.
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          • Posted by $ allosaur 8 years, 3 months ago
            Yeah, at least do something.
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            • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 3 months ago
              Establish a working group to communicate between opposition factions. Identify opposition agents before serious conversations ensue. etc etc etc.
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              • Posted by Wnston 8 years, 3 months ago
                It won't happen as long as power is in the hands of wrong people.
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                • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 3 months ago
                  Precisely wrong. It will happen because power IS in the hands of the wrong people. Theory of Revolution 101. When possible make it a Counter Revolution thus gaining the legal and moral high ground. We have that tool in a practical sense at hand unless Obama is successful in co-opting and even then he will not co-opt all. The one failinig of the left that can always be counted on besides defeatism is arrogance. They aren't as 'smart' as they think they are. If Hillary and Lakoff are the best they can muster....Cutesey Couric. Come on we are not talking Mensa here no matter how much they paid to have their test scores raised.

                  The system was set up to put the power in the hands of the citizens that is the source of power. A lesson that wants graphically driven home but it won't be at this election.

                  First prepare then wait for life to become unbearable? No. First prepare and then use the tools provided by the Constitution. One of them is big heavy baseball bat which some on the left have only begun to realize exists.

                  Primarily Obama. He's got one year and he won't be successful.
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                  • Posted by Wnston 8 years, 3 months ago
                    Don't bet on BHO not becoming a dictator by martial law. Americans are lazy. And most patriots are old and limited in physical ability to push back. Strong words but weak bodies.
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                    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 3 months ago
                      In order to be successful by his standards he has to use martial law as that is a requirement to subvert the military from their oath of office.

                      What he wants to do according to his own statements is against the law but not against the Law Of Obama. It is his stated desire to make the DHS equal to or greater than in power and strength than the military. Why?

                      The military swear it's oath of allegiance only to the Constitution nothing else. But if he can get them to violate that oath once he changes the parameters and redefines everything.

                      Same as Cruz running for the Presidency. There is conjecture and some support for Cruz but the law has never been changed from it' s context of the times written definition. If it were different then I could run for President but it isn't and I was born of US parentage in another country. Ihad truly changed that part would be the subject of an amendment. It wasn't and therefore the context of the time definition stands.

                      Change would require a constitutional amendment or a SCOTUS decision and one not contested by Congress. Same thing with suborning the military. No difference.

                      The military were given a certain stated requirement as as part of their oath of office. As were all federal officials elected or hired. 'support and defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic.

                      Changing the meanings by ignoring them is the act of a domestic enemy. No problem if it was filed as an amendment or as a case before the supreme court. Big problem when it's the individual edict of some lower level judge or the President.

                      So it's a test of will and a test of morals standards and values. All the military has to do is say. We're not allowed to do that and quote the law ....unless the law is legally changed. It's not a strike for they are still up holding their oath of office.

                      They are not allowed to decide anything except one thing. Is the Constitution in danger. And then they are given an obligation to protect the constitution.

                      I happen to believe the country is worth the effort nor are the citizens. the Constitution however is worth defending. Those that try to weasel snake their way around it are Enemies Domestic.

                      I have not changed my evaluation of country nor citizens but it changes nothing. The country and the citizens as a group were and are not worth defending. They gave up that privilege. The Constitution is worth defending. We who took the oath without mental reservation retain that privilege.

                      The military is in a unique position of being left, by the constitution to decide for themselves and if they do decide it is a legal counter revolution. legal, authorized, and required. Their duty, responsibility and their job. It is a hard hard decision for any soldier to make, especially when we are taught and learned to live a life of almost unquestioned obedience. Key word is 'almost' The careerists poor example made sure of that.

                      Will the uphold that oath? One answer is doesn't matter. I will. The other answer is...

                      50 50 they will or they won't.

                      The majority that won't uphold it are found at the top of pecking order. By royal appointment. but when they retire having not upheld their oath they are liable. The Congress has, not doubt exempted itself. Legally. Who knows?

                      Now Obama can threaten even declare martial law and then demand the obedience of the second part of the oath. The military is relieved of zero responsibility for their action or dereliction of duty regardless of the order given.

                      It's a hard job but someone has to do it. They are after all the last line of defense.

                      Either way it would mean martial law. The difference is one group will return you to the Constitutional Rule like it or not. The other will rewrite the oath of office and the Constitution to one of their own liking.

                      Damn.. speaking of responsibility How are you going to vote?
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  • Posted by $ jlc 8 years, 3 months ago
    Why the hell did you say something as dim-witted as "For a woman to seek or desire the presidency is, in fact, so terrible a prospect of spiritual self-immolation that the woman who would seek it is psychologically unworthy of the job." Who are you to make decisions about someone's personal 'spiritual' life? What shreds of evidence can you scrape up that the definition of femininity requires being mastered by a man? MYOB.

    Jan
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      Posted by Wnston 8 years, 3 months ago
      Jan, why do you hate men? Your heart is very, very hard.
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      • Posted by $ jlc 8 years, 3 months ago
        Huh! Hate men? I don't hate men - how did you ever get that out of what I said?

        Quite the opposite: I object to Ayn Rand's worldview that the only possible relationship between a man and a woman is that the woman must look up to a man as her superior (not as her friend) and that if the woman herself has a large amount of power then she 'cannot find a man'.

        Here is more of what Ayn Rand said on that topic:

        "...the higher [a woman’s] view of masculinity, the more severely demanding her standards. It means that she never loses the awareness of her own sexual identity and theirs. It means that a properly feminine woman does not treat men as if she were their pal, sister, mother - or leader.

        Now consider the meaning of the presidency: in all his professional relationships, within the entire sphere of his work, the president is the highest authority; he is the “chief executive,” the “commander-in-chief.” ...In the performance of his duties, a president does not deal with equals, but only with inferiors (not inferiors as persons, but in respect to the hierarchy of their positions, their work, and their responsibilities).

        This, for a rational woman, would be an unbearable situation. ... To act as the superior, the leader, virtually the ruler of all the men she deals with, would be an excruciating psychological torture. It would require a total depersonalization, an utter selflessness, and an incommunicable loneliness; she would have to suppress (or repress) every personal aspect of her own character and attitude; she could not be herself, i.e., a woman; she would have to function only as a mind, not as a person, i.e., as a thinker devoid of personal values - a dangerously artificial dichotomy which no one could sustain for long. By the nature of her duties and daily activities, she would beome the most unfeminine, sexless, metaphysically inappropriate, and rationally revolting figure of all: a matriarch."

        That is a spectacularly twisted view of male-female relationships. While I admire most of Ayn Rand's work, her definition of a 'properly feminine woman' is boggling to my mind. The limits she sets on relationships demean both men and women...and are not accurate. We live in a later era and have examples all around us of various successful permutations of relationships of all sorts.

        Jan
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        • Posted by Flootus5 8 years, 3 months ago
          I thought Jan's post was well thought out and articulate.

          I wonder if Ayn Rand ever met Margaret Thatcher?
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          • Posted by $ jlc 8 years, 3 months ago
            Thank you. Ayn Rand rose head and shoulders above most of us in transcending her environment to describe a vision of a world that faced peril, but also potential magnificence.

            I can only attribute her narrow view of women in power to reflecting Victorian sensibilities. This is certainly a 'human fallibility' that I am quite capable of overlooking - but I would want to ask her about it, if I had the chance.

            Other than that, I think the allosaur has the right of it: try to squeeze her brilliant brain about 'how you would make a Gulch in today's visible world'.

            Jan
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            • Posted by 8 years, 3 months ago
              It's really strange how incredible women can have a poor view of their own sex.

              Atlas Distribution is working on a movie (Queen of the Desert) about Gertrude Bell who was this really "ahead of her times" woman. She helped define the Middle East... yet she thought women shouldn't be allowed to vote.
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            • Posted by Flootus5 8 years, 3 months ago
              I think I would be frightened if she had no fallibilities.

              And then consider also how many men look up to her for having significantly influenced their lives. She, by example was changing many previous perceptions and mores.

              "Looking up" is probably not the best characterization. It implies the pedestal thing. I prefer "gaining respect" for intellectual achievements.
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          Posted by Wnston 8 years, 3 months ago
          Feminazi BS.
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          • Posted by freedomforall 8 years, 3 months ago
            For Galt's sake, check your premises.
            Having read hundreds of Jan's posts, I can't say if Jan is a man or a woman from the reasoning of the arguments made. Jan is a well reasoned Gulcher and has earned my respect.
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          • Posted by $ jlc 8 years, 3 months ago
            Huh again? Me femnazi? Rand femnazi? Your reply to my original comment was inaccurate (I am able to say whether I am a man-hater or not after 63 years of intensive knowledge of self.). I took the time to make a detailed response and you reply with a worthless epithet: "Feminazi BS."

            If you do not make a worthy reply, I will cease to respond to your comments.

            Jan
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          • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 3 months ago
            Surely you can do better than that. For example. Matriarch. Though a poisiton of power is a sexist word. Shouldn't it be personarch . No that won't do per SON is also sexist.

            Are women not capable of rational behavior even under stress of the monthlies? You can argue that point. I know how difficult it is having been the recipient of wierd on schedule behaviour

            I'm thinking some examples of your samples might be simpler for those of us who are awaiting for something besides personal opinion.

            Remember the FemNazi movement proved their worth during the Clinton era. and destroyed the viability and the credibility of the WomanMovement. Since then relegated do just another minor role in later years supporting the Bimbo Brigades.

            Most don't even remember that term unless they listen to Limbaugh nor is it relevant.
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  • Posted by ohiocrossroads 8 years, 3 months ago
    Given that you wrote Atlas Shrugged to prevent the creation of a socialist USA, would you now say that you failed?
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      Posted by Gollyath 8 years, 3 months ago
      It will only fail when her ideals are erased from history. When none will stand up against the tyranny. When books are burned, believers are persecuted, and mankind remembers as a myth instead of a legend.
      She trusted in the best that mankind has to offer, and in doing so, has ensured that failure will never be an option.
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    • Posted by richrobinson 8 years, 3 months ago
      I would say that the people failed to heed her warning. If I tell someone not to take another step or they will fall off a cliff and they take another step I haven't failed they have.
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    • Posted by roneida 8 years, 3 months ago
      to Ohio crossroads, Sadly, I think we failed, Not Ms. Rand. Religious believers don't believe God failed with the Bible but rather Objectivists, and Christians if you will, should see their part in the failures of their ability to convert the non readers, Only persistence is omnipotent.That's probably why religion emphasizes the "hereafter"...Disappointment is put off.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 3 months ago
      Was that the only reason? Or the reason? I would have said to show how to handle the situation which was already half concluded if not more when it hit 100% as in last New Years Eve. By thinking. Ergo sum one of the valid purposes of objectivism. I'd say she and Taylor Caldwell provided an end game solution to and inevitable non-conclusion. How is that failure? As for Rand I'll let her speak for herself. It requires reading.
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    • Posted by lrshultis 8 years, 3 months ago
      I would instead ask her if the struggle in writing gave her happiness as was her individual purpose in her work while the collective-altruistic purpose, if any, was far down the list of any purposes for her writing.

      I would also want to know how important the tobacco and amphetamine use was to her in thinking while writing.
      I have thought that part of the downward spiral of the U S is the war by government and society on stimulant use.
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  • Posted by $ Radio_Randy 8 years, 3 months ago
    Had I lived in her time...my question might have been: "Will you marry me?"

    From what I've seen, of her works...she was a woman after my own heart. Had she been born a man...this would have been awkward!
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  • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 3 months ago
    Would you have dinner with me and my family?
    In that way, we'd have the opportunity to ask many more questions. Unless she said no, in which case kidnapping might be an option.
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  • Posted by LibertyBelle 8 years, 3 months ago
    "Why should Hank Rearden not feel guilty about
    having sex with Dagny when he was married to
    Lillian? Why shouldn't he have divorced Lillian first,
    or, if that was impossible, at least have given her
    a sort of advance notice?--Granted, Lillian was a b----, and the way she traded off that bracelet
    was an insult to him and all he stood for, but
    shouldn't he have said, 'All right, if that's what
    you think of me, I divorce you, I divorce you, I
    divorce you, and from now on I'm going to do what I d--- please.'? Or was it because, at the
    time the book was published (1957), it was al-
    most impossible, in some cases, to get a div-
    orce?"
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  • Posted by dbhalling 8 years, 3 months ago
    I would ask why she was uncomfortable with evolution. I would argue that her meta-ethics is consistent with or built upon evolution. In fact I proposed a talk related to this for Atlas Summit 2016
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  • Posted by LibertyBelle 8 years, 3 months ago
    dbhalling: I understand that, In Atlas Shrugged,
    he thought (incorrectly) "She would never want to
    leave him and he would never have the right to leave..." which was wrong, because of course he
    had the right to leave. But I think, as long has he thought like that, it would have been better
    if he had just abstained until he realized that he
    really did have the right to leave.-Of course,
    once Lillian discovered who it was and had the
    option of divorce and turned it down, she was
    at fault for betraying him and Dagny to the gov-
    ernment.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 8 years, 3 months ago
    To clarify, are we asking assuming she had continued to live to this day, or could we ask her a question if she still exists even though she has passed on? That would be incredibly illustrative to me - and I suspect to many others.
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  • Posted by IamThereforeIThink 8 years, 3 months ago
    I would do better than ask, I could tell her that her prophecy has been fulfilled - that someone has taken the initiative to put his mind to work and fully project her novel into reality (ie.not just redundant & deluded complaining) --- how?
    In the form of a motor - for those of you who are familiar with the prime mover in the story a "factory remnant" teaser can be found here:

    https://www.facebook.com/johngalt.iam...
    and elaborated here:
    http://www.GaltsGulchPortal.blogspot.ca

    You've probably seen this before but we have begun recruiting for this years Atlantis XI and every appropriate occasion should be grasped.
    So, not really a question - more like an affirmation of her own genius - as if she needed such a thing.

    She would be Proud, I am certain of that and pride is a virtue as you all know.
    And I mean it.

    JohnGalt Iamoura
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