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  • Posted by GaryL 10 years, 5 months ago
    Not all that far back one could buy a brick or sleeve of .22LR ammo for $6.99 and shoot all day long. Today if you can find that same brick/sleeve in stock at your local shop or Walmart it will cost closer to $50 and with the gun grabbers on the march it is sure to go up or go extinct. Our government is constantly buying massive quantities of ammo and also using gov. authority to get the orders before you and me. This is NOT ammo for the Military but rather ammo being stockpiled for the purpose of keeping it out of our hands. If our government agencies actually needed so much ammunition it would be prudent for the gov. to build their own manufacturing facilities and leave the retail markets for us.
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    • Posted by Animal 10 years, 5 months ago
      "This is NOT ammo for the Military but rather ammo being stockpiled for the purpose of keeping it out of our hands."

      Got a source for that?
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      • Posted by GaryL 10 years, 5 months ago
        Google Government ammunition purchases. You will also find that many agencies that don't even have armed employees such as the social security admin are buying all kinds of ammo.
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        • Posted by Animal 10 years, 5 months ago
          That wasn't what I asked. I know how much ammunition the government purchases. It's the statement of intent ("for the purpose of keeping it out of our hands") that I would like to be able to support. How can we arrive at this conclusion?

          Case in point: .22LR ammo. Is the government buying .22LR ammo? I know of no such bulk purchases, and yet .22LR ammo is the subject of just as much, or more, scarcity than any centerfire ammo. I can't find CCI Green Tag for love nor money these days (well, for money I can, if I'm willing to pay $.25 a round or so on Gunbroker) and I'm pretty sure the Imperial City isn't buying up all of the supplies of .22 standard-velocity target ammo.

          I've seen a lot of information on government ammo purchases (oh, the Social Security Administration does have an enforcement arm, see http://oig.ssa.gov/newsroom/blog/2012... but some of the arguments have been BS - example, one poster claimed to have seen an Army Chinook helicopter dumping pallets of .22LR into the ocean, which is laughable. And some of them are just normal operations - a million rounds of .40 are probably a year's training ammo for the FBI.

          I'm no fan of the overreach that the Imperial Federal Government has gone to in the last few decades, as anyone who has read my comments knows. But I like to have my facts lined up before making an argument. Plenty of conservatives and libertarians like to criticize the Left for making BS arguments, but we aren't immune to it ourselves.
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          • Posted by $ blarman 10 years, 4 months ago
            Part of the increase in prices for ammo (especially .22 LR) is because the US (thanks to the EPA) no longer has any primary lead smelters. The last one was shut down earlier this year. The smelters we have left are secondary ones that take lead bullion and break that down. It's gun control via the backdoor.

            They're also trying to restrict access to many of the other materials used in ammunition manufacturing. They already have a lock on steel and force companies to have a license for powder.
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          • Posted by GaryL 10 years, 5 months ago
            I very much agree. .22 ammo is in short supply IMO because it is the most common caliber out here and people are buying every round as soon as it hits the stores. Folks who might normally have a few boxes laying around now want to have a few thousand rounds stashed away. The dept. I worked for always bought ammo by the truck loads but we served 72 facilities and thousands in training all the time. I'm afraid that getting to the real truth about all of this will be near impossible given this NOT SO transparent admin we now have. I have read numerous stories regarding the Gov. hoarding ammo and in large quantities where very little is actually needed but that does not by itself give us living proof. It just makes perfect sense in this current time and with the attitude from DC.
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          • Posted by freedomforall 10 years, 5 months ago
            "a million rounds of .40 are probably a year's training ammo for the FBI."
            If that isn't a commentary on the state of government ignoring constitutional law, I don't know what is. The banks and the drug peddlers should pay for their own security. They didn't help JFK, Sammy and Vicki Weaver, the Branch Davidians, or the dead on 9/11, and they never will even though its their stated reason for being.
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            • Posted by Animal 10 years, 5 months ago
              "If that isn't a commentary on the state of government ignoring constitutional law, I don't know what is."

              I didn't say it wasn't. There are all too many extraconstitutional agencies doing all too many unconstitutional things. But at present the ammo in question probably is purchased for training and use, not to deliberately keep it out of the hands of citizens. The result may be the same (some impact on the market) but the intent isn't.

              All we have here is speculation. If we are going to criticize lefties for pushing public policy on speculation, why then should we do it ourselves?
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 10 years, 5 months ago
    This is coincidental. With the expense of Christmas behind me, I decided yesterday that I would start stocking up on extra pistol ammo this week. Maybe buy a box of shotgun shells too.
    Next month I'll buy more pistol ammo.
    I'm living off my retirement and SS, so I'll stock up a little at a time.
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  • Posted by Esceptico 10 years, 5 months ago
    I have only heard a question such as this asked by a person without knowledge of firearms or shooting. There are not only variables as to the number of rounds (how much) but as to which type and by type I mean load, powder, primer, and bullet type.
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    • Posted by freedomforall 10 years, 5 months ago
      Indeed, that's one way people with less knowledge gain knowledge. Share some of your knowledge or online sources to learn more? Post a separate topic for discussion if you like. thanks in advance.Its an area where, I think, many people will need more knowledge, and possibly sooner than expected.
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  • Posted by tdechaine 10 years, 5 months ago
    That's the wrong question: it's about the right to carry arms/ammo, not what limit should be placed on it. But for practical reasons, it's whatever one believes is necessary for protection, and that varies greatly among individuals.
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    • Posted by freedomforall 10 years, 5 months ago
      I can see why you might question my question given the state's attack on the 2nd amendment. Please be assured that I presume you have the right to have as much as you decide you need and can afford to buy using your own earnings and capital. I hoped to learn how to determine how much I need using my own limited resources. This is a public forum, however, and there are google tools used in the background, so I am not looking for anyone to share any personal details.
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