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Carrie Fisher: Youth and Beauty Aren't Accomplishments

Posted by $ nickursis 10 years, 5 months ago to Culture
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I admire the fact that she is not hiding in a corner and crying at these goobers. I really like her tweets back. Our society has taken the individual and lumped them up into pseudo clones of imagination. There are some women who have put in huge amounts of time and effort to "look good", but the fact CF is just accepting life as it happens should be just as ok. Being 58, I am with her 100% and find her stand for her individual interpretation of life laudable.
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  • Posted by BrettRocketSci 10 years, 5 months ago
    I've read quite a lot of wisdom from Carrie Fisher! She also said "Resentment is like drinking poison and waiting for the other person to die." And, "I don't want life to imitate art. I want life to BE art." That is a heroic sense of life we should all emulate!
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    • Posted by $ jlc 10 years, 5 months ago
      I like both of those sayings, but really really like the second one. I am an aestheticist, and to 'want life to be art' is as good as a definition of that as I can find.

      Happy New Year, Brett.

      Jan
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      • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 10 years, 5 months ago
        I'm finding I look for functional aesthetics in things man made, natural beauty in things made by nature and art as a successful fusion of the two. The "phrase it looks or seems wrong is one of the way senses tell us non-verbally one of our premises is incorrect."

        The explanation was lost on one of our ship's officers who felt her drawings of how things should be were more real than the items in the drawing. The Captain would wander by and ask, "Why is this changed what was wrong with it as previously done or set up? He was of the functional asethetic mind set and drew charts give our more functionally illiterates a clear understanding of the goal. The Mate wanted something to put on the wall in the office to impress visitors.
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  • Posted by Stormi 10 years, 5 months ago
    Harrison Ford has held up so so, but he is still too liberal. How has his brain been applied all these years, or is it flabby? That to me is the question.
    Carrie Fisher has a good attitude and her looks have softened with age, a good look. At least she is not hyping some facial products, as does another actress, leaving out the multiple cosmetic surgeries and botox treatments in which she has indulged.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 10 years, 5 months ago
      Prior to American Graffiti and afterwards he was a master cabinetry maker and making top dollars. I read somewhere he continued as a way to relax form the pressure of movie making. I would assume...if he hasn't light sabered or band sawed his fingers off he's still making furniture.
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  • Posted by $ jlc 10 years, 5 months ago
    Bouncing off a comment in the article: Harrison Ford continued with a brilliant movie career, so it makes sense that he gets paid more.

    Carrie Fisher rocks, though. Did you see her response to comments on How do I explain to my little girl about "Princess Leia in chains in the gold bikini"? She said something to the effect of, "Tell her that I was kidnapped by a giant slug and put into that bikini against my will. Then tell her that I killed the slug with the very chains he had bound me with."

    I have heard gamers rave about Mark Hamel's Joker.


    Jan
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    • Posted by johnpe1 10 years, 5 months ago
      I heard that Carrie has been fighting something like
      manic-depression tendencies for years -- could have
      an effect on your looks! -- j

      p.s. found an article::: http://www.healthyplace.com/bipolar-d...
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      • Posted by $ 10 years, 5 months ago
        Indeed, her article reads like a train wreck. I would hope she could get some comfort from a 12 step program, it tends to make you focus on what and who you are and your own effect on others.
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        • Posted by johnpe1 10 years, 5 months ago
          some folks have it a lot harder than I do, and I feel for
          them ... I dated a woman who had been abused as a child,
          from which three distinct personalities developed. . she was
          either the precious little girl, the militant defender or
          the unifier in the middle. . I was the first ever to make love
          with the defender, and it was extraordinary. . she was
          so smart and so determined to pass on none of the negative
          stuff ... a very strong person, over all. -- j
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          • Posted by $ Abaco 10 years, 5 months ago
            I, for whatever reason, probably wouldn't regret beating a child abuser into a vegetative state. This is because they are the worst of the worst, and the most damaging of all perps.
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            • Posted by johnpe1 10 years, 5 months ago
              to beat it all, it was her father ... who raped her, for
              years, starting when she was about 2 and lasting
              until she was about 8. . . . she was deathly afraid of
              bridges, because he had held her out of the car window
              when crossing a bridge, saying, "If you tell our secrets,
              I will drop you." . . some people are just evil. -- j
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      • Posted by $ jlc 10 years, 5 months ago
        That was interesting reading, johnpe. I looked up more on Lithium and discovered that between about 1930-1948, 7Up contained lithium. This was deliberate, as the drink was sold as a mood relaxer.

        Carrie Fisher's story reminds me a bit of Claudia Christensen's. (The latter was Susan Ivanovna in Babylon 5.) Two actresses who tore themselves up with addiction and psychiatric problems...but ultimately clawed their way back into reality.

        Thanks for the excellent link.

        Jan
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    • Posted by $ Thoritsu 10 years, 5 months ago
      I would've liked her even better if she used a light saber like her twin brother. In the new episode (just saw two hrs ago) a girl/woman is the heroine, but not exactly the same in 1977. Still coming along. Harrison Ford sure does look better at 73 than Carrie at 59, but I suspect that has a lot to do with what he did and ate vs her in the last 30 years. Dorthy Hammel still looks damn good...but then again, I have a thing for women that have a good chance at outrunning a T-Rex. Survival trait!
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      • Posted by $ jlc 10 years, 5 months ago
        I do not understand your comment about Dorothy Hamell and T-Rex...can you explain?

        Jan
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        • Posted by $ Thoritsu 10 years, 5 months ago
          Women who take care of themselves (not equal to "look good") as they age are attractive. I prefer athletic women to other types potentially called "beautiful". I was arguing in support of this preference, in a doofy-Darwin fashion, that this is a survival trait, seeking women who will support offspring that succeed physically.
          I really need to work on my delivery, at least in purely written word. Nothing is funny in explanation. Just proof the comedian is not ready for prime time.
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          • Posted by $ jlc 10 years, 5 months ago
            OK. Now I understand. I thought you were making a reference to some current tidbit of knowledge that I had missed: For instance, I looked up "Dorothy Hamell" to see if she had played a part in Jurassic World...where you could indeed have seen her running from a T-rex!

            I will take your explanation as a complement. I have recently had my 63rd bday. I have never been particularly attractive, but I still do two types of martial arts. At one of them, I regularly beat up on nice 20+ year old guys who are bigger than I am.

            Overall, I agree with you. As women increasingly have professions and lives of their own, we will have more to 'bring to the table' than bloodlines and bodies. But this is what society has accorded us for millennia, so it will take some time.

            Happy New Year.

            Jan, preening
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            • Posted by $ Thoritsu 10 years, 5 months ago
              Got get 'em! I am coming up on 50 this year!

              Of course I assume some physical features women find attractive in men are similarly survival traits. Both sexes have a ways to go to separate the animal from the intellectual. Sometimes I wonder how much of each is needed.
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  • Posted by xthinker88 10 years, 5 months ago
    She rocks! Awesome response.

    That said, I was a 16 year old nerd when Return of the Jedi premiered and I thought she looked great in that good bikini. :)
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  • Posted by Herb7734 10 years, 5 months ago
    First of all, she looks great for 58.
    Second, she has the right attitude -- very Leia-ish.
    Third, She's a good writer, which makes her multi-talented. Hey, Carrie -- you go, woman.
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  • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 10 years, 5 months ago
    I'm probably going to get in trouble here, but I'll throw in a dissenting word. While Youth and Beauty aren't accomplishments, fitness is. You get fitness the hard way, through personal work, money helps a little but not much. Fame not at all.

    Part of the job of an actor or actress is looking the part. Had Harrison Ford put on a lot of weight and had a beer belly he would either have had to spend months in the gym or he wouldn't have looked as good as he does. In my opinion, in the old and new pictures of Han Solo that have been going around he looks real now.

    To be fair, Carrie Fisher has spent the intervening years behind the camera instead of in front of it as Ford has, so she hasn't had the continuous pressure to keep in shape.
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    • Posted by $ jlc 10 years, 5 months ago
      You should read the link that johnpe posted above. Lots more has been going on with Carrie Fisher...!

      Jan
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      • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 10 years, 5 months ago
        Oh, yes, sex drugs rock & roll. She's lucky to still be alive. She's done well behind the camera in recent years.

        I guess I am mostly reacting to her comments about youth and beauty which also included the fact that they only wanted 3/4 of her and she had to lose about 35 lbs by diet and exercise. She seems to feel that was sexist and unfair.

        I think that's part of being an actor. Lots of male actors spend a lot of time in the gym, it's a visual medium and how you look is an important part of doing your job. So I'm not so inclined to be sympathetic.

        Now, if she had gotten the criticism because she was on stage getting a screenwriting award, I would agree.
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  • Posted by ProfChuck 10 years, 5 months ago
    This article only serves to illustrate how shallow most editorial writers and critics are. Carrie Fisher has class, her detractors are simply crass.
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  • Posted by evlwhtguy 10 years, 5 months ago
    In the photo provided she seems attractive enough to me. Then again, who can tell anything with any actors picture, a photographer can do almost anything except remove weight......hence all the anorexia in the industry. All things considered....especially here purported drug use, we are fortunate to see her alive at all. It is unfortunate that the level of snarky-ness is such that people tweet such things....but then again, it appears that dealing with such comments is part and parcel of being in the profession of acting.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 10 years, 5 months ago
      Saw a photo of Mark Hamill more pounds than me wen ton that frame.
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      • Posted by $ blarman 10 years, 5 months ago
        Hamill was literally the typecast actor. Even his appearance in "Just Shoot Me" was all about how typecast he had become. It's why he turned to voice acting - and did it spectacularly for decades. He played several characters on "Batman: the Animated Series" including probably the best Joker of all time.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 10 years, 5 months ago
    I agree with you. Their sizing up how much their fancy or don't fancy a stranger's aging says something about them and nothing about CF.

    Instead of talking about CF, they should at the gym admiring their own beauty and accomplishments, something I would strongly support.

    I try to ignore it because for every person who does something great like help create an iconic sci-fi character there are countless people who have not accomplished something like that but love to complain.
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    • Posted by $ 10 years, 5 months ago
      Agreed. I like the way she seems to be focused on her own perspective of herself, and not letting any outside sources push her. Refreshing to see someone of her statue tell the crowds to go take a leap.
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