Great example of false premises/loose consequents

Posted by $ blarman 10 years, 1 month ago to Culture
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So the real cause is not the game, but the partying that goes on afterwards leading to excess drinking and an even greater excess in bad judgment.

If you are a woman in college, what this really should tell you is not to get drunk or hang out with men who do because it significantly increases your chance of assault.


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  • Posted by plusaf 10 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    I stopped respecting Bloomberg some years ago after reading a few too many articles that drew really crappy conclusions from illogical data analysis.... also around the same time I realized that Bloomberg, himself, as Mayor of NYC, deserved (earned) virtually no respect from me for his ultra-lib Control-Freak attitude.
    Now I laugh at both of them, but I certainly don't look to the publisher for any wisdom. Whatever.
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  • Posted by plusaf 10 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Ok, codger... I took a 'nude massage class' up in the Santa Cruz Mountains above Los Gatos some MANY decades ago and discovered one important thing: Wine (for me, at least) is a better anesthetic in those situations than a turn-on. One lesson worth learning for me. Cheers!
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  • Posted by plusaf 10 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    My first reaction was that if parents didn't warn their kids about exactly that, it should be part of freshman orientation for the chronically stupid or naive. Or make a can of Mace part of the Welcome Baggie at Orientation...

    This is NOT Rocket Surgery, kids...
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 10 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    "I thought Roddenberry's original vision of it as a Western should have been followed farther than it was."
    In some interviews he acted like he had to sell it as a Western b/c that's what the suits were buying at that time, but I agree the Western elements made the franchise what it is.
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  • Posted by $ jdg 10 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    ST was much too UN-like from its beginning. I thought Roddenberry's original vision of it as a Western should have been followed farther than it was.

    I also felt that some of its criminals, once redeemed, would have made great cops. How about giving Harry Mudd the job of capturing Q?
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 10 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Complexity does not automatically suggest centralization of power.You have a full time job mananging your own life. Your task increases exponentially when you try to control the lives of others and beyond reason when you try to control the lives of millions.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 10 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    You are right!
    Being an old codger, I always have the excuse that my brain is shrinking and causing memory problems Deep Space Nine it is.
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  • Posted by illucio 10 years, 1 month ago
    We have to teach girls to respect themselves in order to have self-respecting women. And as to excess well, we must adress these matters truthfully for we live in a society where all kinds of drugs are up for grabs, the most illegal the fastest to attain. Again, education is key. Sexual education, Emotional Education, etc. If this cannot be achieved in the household, maybe it´s time we adjusted Public and Federal Education and Laws to Help Protect Our Future Citizens. Not only teach them how to drive, which is great too. Applied sciences, especially those that many of despise such as sociology, psychology, etc. must be rendered in the program from an early age.

    Just An Opinion
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 10 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    True enough but the fights between fans seemed to be started when the home town team loses and the away team and fans are departing....1969 Fayetteville, Arkansas. Longhorns vs Razorbacks. The hogs led and lost by one point in the final seconds of the game...and it wasn't the first time. We had the President, two governors and Billy Graham the famous minister there...oh well...no loss of testosterone with the losing fans that day. They reminded me of books about the gladiators. The mob howling for blood.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 10 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Where have they gone? The one's we are supposed to accord being worthy of honor. Few and far between by my cynical viewpoint. Those that reached that standard are very special. Now we get 'starter marriages VERY cynically planned to create a retirement income via three divorces perhaps four. We get yammering for rights but refusal of responsibility. We get the most rabid turning against everything they said they believed in in a shake of the proverbial lambs tail and turning against those they swore to protect and uplift. No excusing the males of the species but the last time I opened a door for a woman with a full arm load of whatever and she verbally assaulted me for doing so...I let the door swing back, turned by back and walked. Big NOW button came into view as the packages dropped and scattered everywhere. I was gratified to hear applause from men and women alike. The funny part was she started crying. We, me and the onlookers, all stood and watched do the helpless act. Then went on about our business. Not heartless though. Next day same store I opened a door for the same situation and received a warm smile and a big thank you. When I left someone returned the courtesy. That's the kind you are talking about...we have gone nowhere it's ingrained. Nowadays I hear they dumb ass guys don't buy corsages for their prom dates for fear they'll be sneered at and ridiculed. X+Y=Zero.
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  • Posted by johnpe1 10 years, 1 month ago
    if more men had a sense of respect for the women
    in their lives, this would not be the problem it is.
    the way I was raised, women were considered special
    and worthy of honor. . where have we gone? -- j
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  • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 10 years, 1 month ago
    It may be the game and not the partying. Studies have shone that testosterone increases in sports fans whose team has won and decreases in those whose team has lost.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 10 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    I agree with all of this. In my concealed carry class, they told us if there's a place or situation where you feel it's likely you might have to use a gun, consider not going at all.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 10 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    "I did enjoy the Ferengi bartender in the spin-off "Voyager." He was played by Armin Shimmerman"
    That was Deep Space Nine, which was a much better series IMHO than Voyager.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 10 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    I enjoy a glass of wine especially with dinner. Hard liquor if you can call it that is a shot of single malt Scotch. I never developed a taste for beer, except on very hot days. However, It is all forbidden as the serpent's favorite tree in Eden.
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  • Posted by $ 10 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Lol.

    They wanted to rebuild the series using a kinder, gentler Federation which showed growth and maturity, preferring dialogue to conflict (see all the mediation-based episodes and over-emphasis on the Prime Directive. I think they were trying to paint themselves as the UN. [/sarcasm]

    With the Klingons, they wanted to show how they could reconcile with a warlike group. The thing most forget was that if it weren't for their own self-destruction of a primary planet, they wouldn't have been forced into dealing with the Federation on a non-war footing.

    With the Romulan they wanted to show a Cold War type of scenario, and I think they accomplished that pretty accurately.

    Until DS9, the Cardassians were more like the Chinese: they harbored aspirations of expansion and empire-building, but were stymied by a more advanced and economically-powerful adversary in the Federation. So they play the time game and pick at the edges, engaging in subterfuge and espionage while playing nice.

    One of the things that came out in the Dominion War was that sometimes, there is no way to settle disagreements. It's a matter of who has the biggest guns. The Dominion also represented a lot of unconventional warfare: the federation and its traditional allies were used to "battleship"-style tactics and confrontations. The Dominion introduced carriers and fighters similar to the differences between naval warfare changes between WWI and WWII.

    I think that they did characterize one thing correctly about the Federation, however: their complacency and slowness to respond until an overwhelming threat emerged (like the Borg). Then they panic and throw massive amounts of resources at the problem (Wolf 359) only to lose terribly. Only ingenuity in the end saved the day.
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  • Posted by LibertyBelle 10 years, 1 month ago
    I do not condone assault against women, but,as a
    practical matter, it is better not to give possible as-
    sailants any advantage. I realized long ago that it
    is better not to get into a car with a man you don't
    know, (unless it's a cab driver driving his cab), and I don't mean just if you know his name, or
    have known him a few weeks. I mean you should know him well enough to know he is "safe". And, of course, you should not get drunk
    (which a teetotaler does not have to worry much
    about). And it's also better not to be alone with
    a man, without any other people nearby. And, if
    you follow certain conduct rules I can tell you,
    you can live a long time without being assaulted,
    or at least, even an assault may not be suc-
    cessful, and you can get out of it. In fact, with
    real success, you can still be an old maid at
    64. (However, success in certain other areas
    I cannot tell you how to achieve).
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  • Posted by term2 10 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    For me, the mellow part comes with a single glass of wine. Hard liquor just makes me sleepy or crazy- neither is a good thing.
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  • Posted by Esceptico 10 years, 1 month ago
    All I can say is I never liked spectator sports, so I was never exposed to tipsy women trying to rape me. However, now I understand the chances are higher if I “hang out” with mutton-heads who love watching concussion causing sports, my chances will improve. I can’t wait for Super Bowl to see if I get lucky.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 10 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Thanks.
    Because of the meds I take, I am forbidden to imbibe. I cheat now and then because there are times when I'd rather be mellow.
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  • Posted by Mamaemma 10 years, 1 month ago
    When my daughter started college, I told her if you and a guy get drunk and you go to his room, don't be surprised if he expects sex. I don't understand why the politically correct say otherwise. I told her she had to take responsibility for her "self" and be rational in her behavior.
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