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My Letter to my Gun-Free Gym - Rachel Mills

Posted by gaiagal 3 years, 7 months ago to Culture
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I find the "Gun-Free" signs to be ridiculous. To me, it's similar to yelling "Don't look!"

The author of this letter, found at the Liberty.me site, writes rather honestly. I believe this adds even more impact to her letter.


SOURCE URL: https://fullfrontal.liberty.me/my-letter-to-my-gun-free-gym/


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    Posted by ChuckyBob 3 years, 7 months ago
    Ok, how about this idea: The sign is a form of advertising. The statement on the sign is false. It may be their wish that it is a "gun free zone", but there is no way to absolutely enforce it, so it is false. The more true statement would be "Free fire zone." What follows will never happen, but it would be fun to start a class action suit against all businesses that advertise "gun free zones" and force them to also post a sign stating that it is also a free fire zone, enter at your own risk. I live in Utah. Recently I went to a restaurant with a sign stating that they support the second amendment, you are free to carry in the restaurant, but please keep your weapon holstered unless the need arises. In which case judicious markmanship will be appreciated.
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  • Posted by  $  MichaelAarethun 3 years, 7 months ago
    That sign is kind of a silly advertisement for target rich environment. I stay away from groups of idiots begging to be part of a group mugging.
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  • Posted by  $  allosaur 3 years, 7 months ago
    Being a naughty dino who does not want to be a target of opportunity, I carry a concealed pocket pistol into the gun free zone of my credit union for a bank all the time.
    I have freindly chats with the armed credit union guard too, since I have been a bank guard and other kind of security guards off and on during my semi-retired period (2002 - 2013).
    That credit union guard does not need to know what is in my pocket.
    I'm only going to use that gun if I'm forced to.
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    • Posted by Technocracy 3 years, 7 months ago
      The bank I go to is perfectly fine with my concealed carry on premises. I asked for and received permission to do so. I'm in there with deposits several times a week so not an unfamiliar face for them.
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      • Posted by  $  allosaur 3 years, 7 months ago
        You sparked a memory. For about a year I was one of several per shift unarmed security guards for a collection of assorted stores on a property site called The Summit.
        Sometimes the movie theater manager would have me ride with him as he took his ticket and concession stand income to the bank.
        I felt quite foolish at this time. At least I had a hand radio to say, "Guys, call the cops!" if I did not get shot for doing as much.
        I would have been fired if I had let on that I kept a pistol in my glove compartment of my personal vehicle.
        Most of the time I drove a Guardsmark SUV about the property unarmed with these blinking green lights.
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    • Posted by  $  TomB666 3 years, 7 months ago
      In Illinois carrying past one of the "Run by stupid people" signs is a Class 2 misdemeanor. That said the idea of 'concealed' carry means who is to know?
      I avoid those places - I do my banking at the drive through - and just do not frequent businesses with the signs. If I was ever caught needing to defend myself in one of the signed places I would, but would also expect to be in more trouble then the actual criminal. So it's best to stay out of them.
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  • Posted by  $  Radio_Randy 3 years, 7 months ago
    I've discovered the "real" reason for "gun free zones", like this and it has nothing to do with keeping bad guys out.

    The real reason for this prohibition is that business owners (and many employers) are more concerned over the possibility of an "accidental discharge" than they are with a mass shooting. This was the reason I received when I posed the question (of allowing concealed carry) to our employees user group AND from the National Rifle Association when questioned about their policy of not allowing loaded firearms in sponsored classes.

    So...not only do businesses not care about our personal defense...they also cannot trust us to not shoot ourselves in the foot, while on their property.
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    • Posted by strugatsky 3 years, 7 months ago
      The issue with firearms classes is completely different. In those classes, people handle guns in the open, practice and, by definition, are not yet trained. A likelihood of an accidental discharge is understandably high. Normal concealed carry has a very small risk of an accidental discharge as the gun is not being handled and certainly not in the open. If the reason for not allowing concealed carry in a non-classroom environment was given to you as "accidental discharge," it was a convenient lie.
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      • Posted by  $  Radio_Randy 3 years, 7 months ago
        You are correct about the classroom environment. I guess the two reasons I took issue with the policy was:
        1. I am an experienced gun owner and
        2. The class I was attending was for Range Safety Officer, in which, I assumed we already had experienced gun owners.
        Of course, it would make sense to have a single policy to cover all of your classes. I was just being bull-headed, I suppose.
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  • Posted by jimjamesjames 3 years, 7 months ago
    Suggestion for the owner of the establishment to sign:

    "Being the owner of this establishment and requiring all paying customers to be unarmed, I hereby declare that I will take full and complete responsibility for any loss, including loss of life, suffered by any and all customers while in my establishment due to criminal acts committed within my establishment."
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    • Posted by BrettScott 3 years, 7 months ago
      Would the owner's defense be "the murderer did not adhere to the management's rules, so the management cannot be held responsible?"
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      • Posted by  $  jlc 3 years, 7 months ago
        Perhaps some 'helpful' person should take a look at the font and point size of the 'gun free zone sign' and print out a look-alike addendum with that text on it. And then just kinda 'adhere' the new sign to the wall below the old one.

        Jan
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        • Posted by pkundl 3 years, 7 months ago
          I may be wrong... it has been a few years since the concealed carry training, but in order for the sign to be 'legal' it is supposed to be a certain size, color and correct wording. Simply putting a notice on the door that says "gun free zone" I don't believe to be correct anyway. but.. concealed is just that. Who's to know?
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  • Posted by  $  KahnQuest 3 years, 7 months ago
    A good point, although I'd hate to be the guy who figures out the insurance premium if such an agreement were ever made.

    I once wrote a letter to the owner of a gun-free zone. It was more succinct: 1) It's your business, so you can do with it what you please; 2) I promise not to bring my firearm into your establishment. However, since I exercise my right to carry this also means that I won't bring my person or my money in either.
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  • Posted by wiggys 3 years, 7 months ago
    In the event you have not noticed gun sales throughout the country have sky rocketed. Concealed carry permits have also increased. And I know of people who walk around with exposed fire arms where it is legal without concealed permits and I also know of people who chose to carry anyway. So the gun free zone signs mean nothing to these honest people. The current heads of the government of the USA are the best salesman the fire arms industry has ever had and many of the citizens of the USA are therefore buying guns. Hooray for gun ownership for the sake of protection.
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  • Posted by term2 3 years, 7 months ago
    Cops come AFTER the perp has fired and killed people. A person with a concealed weapon can help DURING the time the perp is killing.
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  • Posted by term2 3 years, 7 months ago
    Gun-free zones are just pure political correctness. The best defense you can have is an unknown person with a concealed weapon, and the fact the perp who would shoot up the gym doesnt know WHO has a concealed weapon.
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  • Posted by  $  MichaelAarethun 3 years, 7 months ago
    Something I have been meaning to add and it's a perfect place. Also describes Seattle.

    Remember always the quote from Boiete.

    "Tyrants have no rights which were not given them by an uncaring public."

    translation The couch potato vote choosing the lesser of evils...
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  • Posted by  $  Olduglycarl 3 years, 7 months ago
    She's absolutely correct.
    The progressive mindless political class(less) creatures are cowards. They do not seek to take guns from criminals, but the do seek to take them away from law abiding citizens...like that's gona work.
    We suspect there are other motives involved here; but besides that we see they do not value life and the only value they have is the value they've stolen from you.
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  • Posted by  $  allosaur 3 years, 7 months ago
    Being a naughty dino who does not want to be a target of opportunity, I carry a concealed pocket pistol into the gun free zone of my credit union for a bank all the time.
    I have freindly chats with the armed credit union guard too, since I have been a bank guard and other kind of security guards off and on during my semi-retired period (2002 - 2013).
    That credit union guard does not need to know what is in my pocket.
    I'm only going to use that gun if I'm forced to.
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    • Posted by 3 years, 7 months ago
      Civil disobedience that I hope the credit union employees never have to be grateful for...
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      • Posted by  $  allosaur 3 years, 7 months ago
        I'd hate for that credit union to force me to move my money somewhere else for that no-no.
        I've been a happy camper for a customer there for a quarter of a century after escaping a bank that had a fee for everything.
        Oh, well, I know where another credit union is.
        Better than getting killed.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 3 years, 7 months ago
    I wonder there were a gun crime there if the gym could be held liable for putting up the sign and doing no checking, not even a cheap metal detector you walk through, essentially ensuring that only strict law-abiders are disarmed. If someone tried to commit a gun crime, they'd be relying on people like Allosaur who are otherwise law-abiding but sometimes ignore the no-gun signs.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 3 years, 7 months ago
    First of all, thank you for writing that killer letter. I shall unabashedly steal from it many times in the future. And, I am forwarding it to some people and places that need to read it -- providing you don't object. If your gym doesn't take notice, that is, at the very least respond, even with all the good they do, in the long run, you probably will be better off changing where you work out.
    Your letter is one of the many reasons I love the Gulch.
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