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Thoughts on this presidential campaign

Posted by $ Abaco 10 years, 9 months ago to Politics
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I'm curious if others feel this way. To frame where I'm coming from...I have spent some time over the past few years dealing face-to-face with politicians in some of my work and in some of my personal time (fighting a law). I have confirmed the reports that they are shallow, narcissistic whack jobs for the most part.

So...I have come to the conclusion that political campaigns are just a form of entertainment. None of these candidates seem very special, very intelligent, for the most part. I do love Rand Paul's position on liberty and smaller government. But, he's not electable due to lack of connection with the average mouth-breather voter (my editorial, sorry). But...really...this is just entertainment. The President is just a puppet, for the most part. Seriously...do any of these candidates even remotely appear presidential to you? Rubio? Hillary? Christie? Trump? Bernie the socialist? It's surreal to me that they've all made it this far. This is the best we can do? LOL

I'll cut this self-indulgent rant off. But, I'd appreciate your thoughts. And, have a great Christmas, everybody. You are a great group of thinkers. Nice to visit with you all.


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    Posted by Mamaemma 10 years, 9 months ago
    "The president is just a puppet, for the most part." Bingo! As all politicians are. In my opinion, it's all a ridiculous show to make people feel that they have some control when in actuality they have no control over government. I for one refuse to vote, as I feel that is giving my sanction to this insanity.
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      Posted by $ 10 years, 9 months ago
      I'm in the same club. I don't vote, either. I find it very interesting to see the public get worked up like the campaign is the Superbowl. It's just spectacle. And...even though I'm not a supporter, I am appalled at how biased the news reporting in prime time is against Trump. HIllary tells an outright lie about him and the news story is that he's asking for an apology - not that she lied. I watched that last night and, I admit, I got sucked in for a minute. I was yelling at the tv. I finally, after cooling down, just told my wife, "I really don't have hope for America." This is the news source most rely on? We're finished.
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  • Posted by Zenphamy 10 years, 9 months ago
    Abaco; Good Observation and Question. Txs.

    I'm convinced that politics and the election process has never been a place for statesmen or citizens, Politicians, for the most part are no more intelligent or able than any of the rest of us, they are just better trained and experienced at making themselves liked. Then the parties set up an election and press/media coverage like a football season with a big play-off. Then after the election, the winner becomes the spokesman/talking-heads for those that make the real decisions.
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    • Posted by wiggys 10 years, 9 months ago
      Zenphamy,

      please rethink "no more intelligent or able than any of the rest of us". I personally do not believe these people who chose politics as a way of life have the intelligence that I hake in my pinky toe.
      And i think none has your intelligence either or that of almost all who chose not to be politicians.
      Abaco you observation is very accurate.
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  • Posted by $ 10 years, 9 months ago
    That said...I would jump at the opportunity to be an economic advisor to one of these - much like Peter Schiff's role with Ron Paul. I think these politicians need help in this area. I actually might have the qualifications for it. And, I could contribute. I will never run for any office. Ever. Would rather be in the shadows, anyway.
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  • Posted by XenokRoy 10 years, 9 months ago
    Abaco,

    I have long thought the skill set needed to play the entertainment game that is the election process is completely different from the skills needed to be legislator or a executive of any organization.

    Election requires you to pander to the masses. Leading requires you to do things the masses will not like until you show them the way and show the success. Only then will those following like the leader.

    A person making laws has to think about the impact and the legality of those laws. If they are pandering to the masses they will make laws which are bad, bad being defined as laws which protect a collective rather than an individual.

    So yes I share the frustration.

    Elections should be limited to stock holders in the country voting, and that would make it much better as the "Useful Idiots" would not come into play. I do not understand why someone would expect to vote in a company without being a stock holder, or in a country. It is not the only cause but it does add to the nonsense.
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    • Posted by edweaver 10 years, 9 months ago
      I agree with much of what you say. I'm not sure if doing things that the masses don't like is what I want to see. Take Obamacare as an example. But if we had good leaders that believe in small government & follow the constitution that likely would not be an issue either.
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      • Posted by XenokRoy 10 years, 9 months ago
        At the time of the declaration of independence it is estimated that only 1/3 supported separation. That was up to just under half when the revolutionary war started and increased only as it looked as though we may win.

        With today's system of catering to the masses the declaration would be impossible to make happen. As a republic where voting has some qualification and is a privilege it would still be possible. As a democracy where voting is a right, I do not believe it is.

        In order to have a successful society those that vote must have shown some form of success in there lives. Those that have not, that have lived off others do not know what is needed for success and therefor can only propitiate more failure by giving them a voice.

        In order to propagate some form of success to others you must first be able to have that form of success yourself.

        I do not understand how a person voting that is 18-209 years old, but has not yet owned a home, bought a stock, ran something successful and/or could not tell you one idea of how to solve an issue, or even what the issues of the time are can possible help the country if allowed to vote.
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        • Posted by edweaver 10 years, 9 months ago
          I cannot disagree with anything you state.

          I understand why it was only property owners voting and also why women were not included since most property owners were men during that era. Seems to me that 30 would be a good voting age but that would have the same issues as the 21 year old drinking age. Old enough to die for our country but not drink, or vote. Tough one to get through.

          I think if we, at the local level did a better job of educating the next generation, we likely would not have the issues we have. Progressives run the education system and we need Objectivists to do it. But that is the hard part.
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          • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 10 years, 9 months ago
            Adulthood is not a function of age. It is the least important requirement. Ditto on paragraph two. Start with disbanding the Department of Education and NEA funding Both NEA's
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          • Posted by blackswan 10 years, 9 months ago
            How about a requirement for owning property and military service to be allowed to vote? That's likely to cut down on a lot of the chaff.
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            • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 10 years, 9 months ago
              no to property ownership unless there is true property ownership. I assume you are referring to real estate and structures. At present we only purchase the right to be liable and pay a form of rent or leasing fees.

              Yes on the other with commissions restricted to combat veterans and high public offices restricted to combat veterans. They are the least likely group to start wars and the most likely to win wars started against us.

              Government is a group of people. If they are independent and free the outlook is far different than those who are just part of an all powerful collective. That's invariably caused by the collective entity becoming the only entity with former citizens as atoms, molecules, cells or other, replaceable parts

              But if government is controlled by individuals who recognize rights and responsibilities go hand in hand and put that knowledge to use by voluntarily opting to serve a certain period of time as part of whatever system is set up they have in doing so proved or disproved their capabilities to be allowed or selected for higher responsibilities by the individual citizens.

              One of the times when acting as a group is necessary but also recognizing it is fraught with danger.

              Long winded way of saying voluntary military AND other form so of service.

              Heinlein's one phrase was not restricted to military service only.

              The other phrase put an automatic penalty on bad voting habits.

              The skin in the game when voting for war was the one the voter lives in...not the amount they could pay.
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          • Posted by $ 10 years, 9 months ago
            I really want to lift people up. This means really educating them. I would agree that banning some people from voting isn't optimum...might even be a recipe for disaster.

            I really want to lift people up.
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            • Posted by freedomforall 10 years, 9 months ago
              Give them an incentive to want to be lifted.
              No, you can't vote until you understand what the issues are, and you can't vote unless you have EARNED the priviledge through hard work and a vested interest in a voluntary peaceful industrious society, free markets, and by defending all of rights in the Bill of Rights without any reservations or restrictions. If you take any benefit from government, you are compromised and cannot vote. This includes all employees (or companies) providing service under contracts to government, all consultants, all government employees, and those receiving government retirement payments. Voting priviledge should also be voluntary, by consent of the prospective voter.
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            • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 10 years, 9 months ago
              Give themhttps://www.galtsgulchonline.com/addcomment/* something to reach for that is worth while and provide the means they will lift themselves up. That condition does not exist as of yet. Bored with their toys children playing games involving butterfly wings does exist. Have you watched the video of the anti student protest folk singer? Pay attention to the furnishings of the play pen.
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        • Posted by $ Genez 10 years, 9 months ago
          Yes, I think you need to have "skin in the game" to be allowed to vote. I would even be ok with those that pay income tax (on real earned income, not welfare) being allowed the vote.. So, property ownership or income tax would be sufficient to rule out many of the feckless masses from having a say in things.
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          • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 10 years, 9 months ago
            I disagree on income tax as in any form it is a fascist control measure of government over people which should be Citizens Over Government.

            In this case the saying when you have the citizens by the balls their hearts and minds will follow is only half true. The only thing that follows is what government steals at the point of a gun. Ergo some income taxis the favorite caliber of the left.
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            • Posted by $ 10 years, 9 months ago
              Yeah...I wouldn't tie anything to whether or not somebody paid their taxes. Taxation is a mess...putting it mildly.
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              • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 10 years, 9 months ago
                I put income taxis an error but it does lead to this thought. The proposed by Rand and Cruz enhancement of a business tax to lighten the load of the taxpayer is an income taxi. We pay the percentage as part of the bill. Each corporation or business hires staff (the drivers and dispatchers) to handle the excess work. The destination is always Washington DC. It's a thinly disguised fair tax that WITHOUT dumping income tax first is just a world class mondo tax hike and a poorly disguised version of the Pelosi/Clinton enhanced VAT. Where's the value in that. That leaves if I recall Rubio and Fiorini. The rest are all self exposed leftists oh yea and der Fuhrer wannabe.
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  • Posted by strugatsky 10 years, 9 months ago
    A long time ago, in a Galaxy far away, America was different from the rest of the world. America had a unique Constitution that limited the powers of the government, not the people. The people were the chosen few from around the world, who had a desire to better themselves through their own efforts, not through help, and burden, of others. It had a work ethic and a much higher literacy rate than the rest of the world. As all of these features that made America exceptional were destroyed, there was nothing left to do but for the new Amerika to join the rest of the world - uneducated, unmotivated, lazy and looking to government for bread and circuses. Of course, that begat a breed of politicians like in the rest of the world - petty tyrants that live for the day. Why would anyone be surprised?
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  • Posted by Snoogoo 10 years, 9 months ago
    The question for me is, why would anyone with any true ability want to be a politician?
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    • Posted by plusaf 10 years, 9 months ago
      Well, in theory, it would bring forth people who support the Jewish concept of Tikkun Olam... "Leaving the World Better Than You Found It."

      Unfortunately, that doesn't seem to have worked out very well in practice. Partially, perhaps, because a LOT of people have been brought up on Strange Ideas of what "Better" means...
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  • Posted by SBilko 10 years, 9 months ago
    The Founders unabashedly envisioned a govt by the intellectual elite, but they tried to temper the danger of that by severely limiting govt. We are moving closer and closer to an unlimited govt intituted by an absolute democracy, but one that is controlled by a political elite through the mass media. I can envision almost nothing more dangerous...
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  • Posted by Herb7734 10 years, 9 months ago
    The only problem is that these "entertainers" can affect our lives with loss of freedom. Also, the price of admission to their follies is way too high. Man, I miss Johnny Carson, who never did any political humor and managed to make us laugh for 20 or so years.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 10 years, 9 months ago
    The best politicians are the ones who don't want to be there in the first place.
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    • Posted by $ 10 years, 9 months ago
      Interesting. You are probably dead right on that. After some time interfacing with politicians I have come to the conclusion that they are insane - that'd you'd have to be to actively search out that job...
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      • Posted by $ blarman 10 years, 9 months ago
        That's why both George Washington and Ronald Reagan were so great: they didn't really want to make "politician" their job description. They did it as patriots.
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    • Posted by $ Thoritsu 10 years, 9 months ago
      Plato's Priest-Kings
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      • Posted by $ blarman 10 years, 9 months ago
        Having read "Republic", Plato didn't really get into how people choose their status in life. Plato rather just assumes that those who are the most capable progress up his hierarchical chain of farmers -> merchants -> soldiers -> politicians. The selection method is rather glossed over and assumes that those who rise to leadership are actually intellectually capable and that there is general honesty all around in identifying the intellectually capable. I think Ben Franklin more accurately ties in the desire to rule to politicians, describing them as knaves who seek for power for power's sake.
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  • Posted by $ Mimi 10 years, 9 months ago
    We are the ship, Man. The president is just the the figurehead. A figurehead emulates the spirit of the ship. The crew takes pride in a well-crafted figurehead, reasoning superstitiously that the figurehead will please the gods and keep them safe at sea.
    It doesn’t matter if the man or woman is a stupid peacock in real life. The ship must sail anyway.

    I try to see the humor in everything. Look at the bright side if Trump is elected:
    At least we know he won’t be out fundraising while we are getting our heads chopped off.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 10 years, 9 months ago
      No ......there is another option....as any good sailor knows.....actually three. Foundering and Sinking and finally the break up beaches of India to be turned into rebar.
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  • Posted by $ Genez 10 years, 9 months ago
    "the day we lost the republic was the day 'politician' became a career choice" - Alan Keyes. I believe this is the sentiment you are looking for. You're right we're in the bread and circuses stage. After that it was the barbarian hordes invading... Which I'm sorry to say in many ways is already beginning.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 10 years, 9 months ago
    And May all your Christmas's be bright as well.

    Yea, it's ridiculous. The only two I would consider are Cruz and Rand. However, in the true spirit of our forefathers, (willing to risk one's fortune, one's sacred honor and one's very life if necessary.) the only one that just might buck the system of the kakistocracy is Ted Cruz.

    The "Shadows" are more foreboding than we might even imagine.

    Just my impressions at this time.
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  • Posted by Dobrien 10 years, 9 months ago
    I recommend everyone watch the entire YouTube interview of Norman Dodd taped in 1987 shortly before he passed away. It explains a great deal about the actions of our so called leaders and who is pulling the strings of these puppets.
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  • Posted by Donald-Brian-Lehoux 10 years, 9 months ago
    Better o throw your vote away then to compromise your beliefs.
    DIVIDE AND CONQUER is what they do.
    Vote veteran someone that puts America before ANY party.
    No double standards put DC politicians on Obamacare and SS.Thanks for your support and vote.Pass the word. mrpresident2016.com
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  • Posted by $ SarahMontalbano 10 years, 9 months ago
    I'm not yet old enough to vote, and I won't be old enough in time for this election. But if things continue like they are: I won't be voting in the 2020 election.
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    • Posted by plusaf 10 years, 9 months ago
      And if you can't vote in the 2020 election, you won't be alone... None of us will be able to vote.
      ... my fear, too, and I've been voting for scores of years!
      Good Luck!
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      • Posted by $ SarahMontalbano 10 years, 9 months ago
        Good luck... to all of us. I want to be able to exercise my judgement, but there's just no good candidate for me to condone. I'm apprehensively waiting to see who wins this time.
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        • Posted by plusaf 10 years, 9 months ago
          Sarah, maybe I didn't make myself clear... it happens alot...
          I meant that, if the right kind of 'crisis' develops, Obama (or Hillary) will use it as an excuse to turn the US into the semblance of any other country with a despotic leader who confiscates guns and essentially rigs, fixes or flat-out stops ALL future 'elections.'

          For me and a few others, the good news is that I just turned 70 and in my lifetime have experienced some of the best possible things that any country could offer me. If those idiots and the morons who vote for them push us over the cliff, I will still die knowing what Good Life was and the shitty times will be but a small fraction of my lifetime.
          My pity and sorrow to everyone younger than me.
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 10 years, 9 months ago
    I think this is the worst collection of leaders we have ever had in front of us. I cannot recall an election so full of narcissists and clowns. I never thought Trump would hold on to any kind of a lead.

    This election makes me want to Shrug more than any other.
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  • Posted by johnpe1 10 years, 9 months ago
    Thank You, Abaco, and you have a wonderful Christmas
    also, sir! . the entertainer-in-chief job has one wrinkle
    which bothers me -- force. . if they would abdicate that
    provision and mind their manners, I'd like 'em all. -- j
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  • Posted by GaryL 10 years, 9 months ago
    I believe it is all about the power and privilege of the King and his merry men. Governments produce nothing and we have allowed ours to get completely out of hand for a very long time. The founding fathers have left their graves and gone to the gulch.
    I agree that politicians have to be entertainers and salesman first and foremost. I also agree that few if any have any real business savvy which should be an absolute requirement along with some military leadership experience. I fully understand how many refuse to vote so as not to promote this insanity. However, we are living in an insane world and honestly believe that a non vote is a vote for the winner because all of those non votes could easily have changed the outcome.
    Political parties are one in the same with the identical agenda, do what ever must be done to remain in the power seats. If the minions must live within their means or suffer the consequences so too should the power brokers. We have allowed the cold hard truth to elude us and you will not get it from the Gov, media or any other source centered around the government. I don't care who wins this upcoming election, thing will not get better but will be spun in a more palatable way according to the party you stand with. Our debt will continue to rise until it chokes us to death at which point the government will fall. There is lots of history in that! As much as I would love to see an honest politician those two words have no business being together in a sentence.
    I will absolutely vote and at this point I would much prefer to see a successful businessman pulling the strings over some other who's turn it is to do the steering. Note that I never said that might make things any better but it sure as hell can't make things any worse!
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    • Posted by SBilko 10 years, 9 months ago
      "However, we are living in an insane world and honestly believe that a non vote is a vote for the winner because all of those non votes could easily have changed the outcome." Logically correct, but it assumes that a possible desirable outcome exists. Most elections are a choice between two sides of the same coin. And a nickel only buys so much...
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 10 years, 9 months ago
      Depends on the core beliefs of the individual. One who has slopped at the public trough is called a socialist corporatist and are a part of having made things worse. To be honest an evaluation of Trump for example and an evaluation of a certain Austrian turned German of the early 1920's has too many parallels for my taste. The other side of that coin is it possible to become successful without sucking up to the government? Very few at the top have done so.
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    • Posted by Herb7734 10 years, 9 months ago
      Politics has devolved into two simple things: Money and Power. The rest is window dressing.
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      • Posted by plusaf 10 years, 9 months ago
        please consider always adding "and control of others" to that list.
        I always do. I don't even think Money still belongs on that list.
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        • Posted by Herb7734 10 years, 9 months ago
          That would be a sub-category under "power." The whole point of power is control of others. Otherwise, the question would be , "What's the power for?" Money, means control, production, control again, every aspect of philosophy, also control of ethics, politics and even art, as was demonstrated in Soviet Russia and pretty much China and Cuba.
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          • Posted by plusaf 10 years, 9 months ago
            as you wish... :) I just like to include that phrase so that the listener doesn't even have to figure that out for themselves. Many need that kind of 'help.'
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            • Posted by Herb7734 10 years, 9 months ago
              You are right. But in the Gulch -- not so much.
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              • Posted by plusaf 10 years, 9 months ago
                I admire your optimism, but don't share it. Check some of the other replies I receive to my posts...
                :)
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                • Posted by Herb7734 10 years, 9 months ago
                  As well as mine.
                  Still, I'm active with people all over the world, and I can affirm that for the most part, Gulchers are better responders by and large than even scientific groups and yes, believe it or not, Mensa people. As an aside, if you're not talking in terms of games, Mensa persons often seem dense.
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                  • Posted by plusaf 10 years, 9 months ago
                    A long time ago, a Mensan friend of mine in CA mentioned that membership in Mensa was a goal of many people who had high IQ's but couldn't get laid. Mensa was their last hope. :))))
                    As for density in general, yep, no group has avoided having an adequate supply of dense members... on all sides of every 'discussion.'
                    It took me many decades to realize that 'everyone's brain/mind is "wired differently" and there are some (many) for whom the phrase "I can explain it to you, but I can't Understand It for you" ' is completely appropriate.
                    A very bright (otherwise) friend complained that my wife has low "situational awareness." Yep, in some areas, that's true. I always seem to be pulling her out of the way of pedestrian traffic around her... But when the Friend is Driving, she almost always needs me to remind her of what the actual speed limit is on the road we're on, and hugs the white line so well that I, in the passenger's seat, always feel like I'm centered in the driving lane. I close my eyes a lot.

                    Such is life, and it's one reason I prefer to do my own driving. Live, Love, Laugh...
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                    • Posted by Herb7734 10 years, 9 months ago
                      I rarely drive anymore. Since becoming disabled, I prefer to letting the BW drive. She drives well, but overly cautiously. I often want to shout, "Move it already." But I don't. I finally came to the conclusion that I wouldn't be happy with anyone's driving except my own. So, I think of anything else and let the driving out of my head.
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                      • Posted by plusaf 10 years, 9 months ago
                        Well, I'm not there yet, and I've been "driving" since dad let me sit next to him on the bench seat and steer the car... long before I could even reach the gas pedal! Eternally grateful to him for that.
                        And then reached Driving Age in the Wonderful 1960s when cars and engines were really Fun!
                        My current ride is an '04 Prius, which is actually a computer with wheels. There's no physical connection between the gas pedal and the engine compartment. You step on the gas and computers decide how much battery or gas engine (or both) to send to the front suspension to move the car. Step on the brakes gently and it uses regenerative braking to slow the car. I've got nearly 70k on the car and still don't even need the front brake pads replaced.
                        A far cry from the Old Days. But it still handles like a son of a bitch and out-corners many other cars on the road (and long freeway entrance ramps!) The fun isn't gone yet!
                        Happy Motoring!
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                        • Posted by Herb7734 10 years, 9 months ago
                          I do miss the older, simpler cars. My first was a '53 Ford 3 on a tree. Even I could fix a few things that could go wrong. I put 185 very rough miles on it before the engine burned out. Still sold it for $200 to a shade tree mechanic who dropped a V8 in place of the straight 6 and drove it for many years after.
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    • Posted by $ 10 years, 9 months ago
      I don't think military leadership experience should be a requirement. If every, or even most, former military guys I've worked with were worth a s&t I could understand the deduction. But, the worth a s%t ratio hasn't been any better for them as it's been for non-veterans. I also (as crazy at it sounds) am not convinced votes are actually counted. Haha...I'm way out in left field on this, I guess. You are absolutely right about the debt. It is the final straw... It must bring us down before it's ever properly addressed. By then, we'll be back to banging rocks together and sending smoke signals...
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      • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 10 years, 9 months ago
        Most of the time those of us who think that' s a good thing also state it excludes the careerists who are politicians not soldiers. The term is REMF for Rear Echelon Mother Feathers. No one holds them in any level esteem or respect. They are just one of the problems to be solved in preparing for battle.

        With the recent and ongoing cuts guaranteed they will be the bulk of those retained. Not a good thing as they do not uphold their oath of office. Might's well count them as part of the protective echelon.
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  • Posted by Temlakos 10 years, 9 months ago
    Rand Paul won't get enough votes because he can't or won't identify enemies of civilization, against whom sometimes you have to move on historical grounds alone. ("Fight and slay the infidels!" Sounds like a declaration of war against everybody, even if Muhammad did write it 1400 years ago.) If he would come to grips with the external danger, I'd have no quarrel with him.
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    • Posted by $ 10 years, 9 months ago
      Just two days ago I was listening to a Stefan Molyneoux rant about culture versus ideology in terms of immigration. It was dead on! Everybody should hear it. To guilt our citizens to subject themselves to an ideology that would stone a women to death for driving a car is absolute suicide.
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  • Posted by ProfChuck 10 years, 9 months ago
    It is unfortunate that the skills necessary to be elected are so different from those needed to perform the duties of the office one seeks. There are some jobs that should never be given to those that seek it.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 10 years, 9 months ago
    Well....welcome to Club Realization.
    I still vote because I was raised in an era when voting was a badge of honor and I feel compelled to do so. But I am aware, at least, that I'm participating in a charade. I do get the satisfaction of saying, "I told ya so" no matter who wins or loses. I used to think that when a candidate enters the beltway their I.Q. drops by 50%. But because of the present slate, I think their I.Q. is that low going in. By the way, self indulgent rants are found in The Gulch very often. I am one of the guiltiest posters.
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  • Posted by Danno 10 years, 9 months ago
    I stopped voting in 2012 when supposed conservative Chief Justice Roberts cast the deciding vote for ACA using an invalid argument. I just may vote for Trump though. Why? It may be a chance to overthrow TPTB. Revolution just maybe and that is what America needs RIGHT NOW.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 10 years, 9 months ago
      You have other choices besides a left wing National Socialist wannabe. For sure Super RIno Trump is no where near the center or even the right wing of the left the Republicans.


      Jim Webb still considering independent run
      posted at 8:31 am on December 28, 2015 by Taylor Millard

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      Jim Webb may be considering trying to become the next Ralph Nader by running as an independent. Webb has been pretty active on social media, going after both President Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton for their policies. He’s tapping into the populist anger that those who are turned off by both Bernie Sanders, Donald Trump, and Ted Cruz might have, but Webb is probably counting on their support too. Ben Brody at Bloomberg Politics thinks Webb is going to hop back into the presidential fray. continued in full at hotair.com

      Just one possibility.....other than going to the extreme left.
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