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  • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 10 years ago
    A compelling piece. I do not know the answer, but we should do all we can to reduce the European nations apprehension because of dependence upon Russian energy. We should have long ago, increased our production and offered it to the world. It has been said that anything we do now would only be long term, but just starting initiatives can drive the price of energy down and threaten the Russian revenue stream. The neighboring nations need to exert more pressure and develop more independence. What can we do besides diplomacy, economic pressure with the Russians and assistance to the Ukrainians that will not escalate and involve us in another war?
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  • Posted by Notperfect 10 years ago
    I seen a similar video just the other day with just one Ukrainian lady like this. Putin loves putting on a show as Obama. Could be they are both aligned with one another and the likes of MSNBC,CNN and other laim stream media groups are taking another shot at us from behind the curtain. Possible.
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  • Posted by $ Radio_Randy 10 years ago
    I sympathize with any country being invaded by another. The ethnic issues many European countries deal with make it entirely understandable why one side wants Russian intervention while the other side doesn't. In the end, one side wins...the other loses, badly.
    With our current administration, involving the U.
    S. would probably be a really bad idea. Like many other fights of this type, we have moved in, cleaned things up a bit, then move out. This action is usually followed by another, far worse, invasion of the country which leaves a great many more dead.
    Once you take another country under your wing, you'd best be prepared to stay with it for a very long time and the U.S. simply can't afford that expense at this point. All one has to do is look at a country, like the Philippines. We moved in during WWII and remained there what...40, 50 years? Look at where that country is, just a few years after the U.S. pulled out.
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  • Posted by iam124c 10 years ago
    My first response was made before I read other posts that have been made here. This is in response to some of those posts. I don't give a damn that the students speak several languages. However, it would bother me some if it turns out that the YouTube video is not what it says it is. Still, I wonder, should we kill the messenger?
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    • Posted by khalling 10 years ago
      what about Syria? If the resistance forces there made a slick video appealing to western sensibilities, would that be enough for you to get behind their murderous ways?
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  • Posted by iam124c 10 years ago
    Re. YouTube "Brave Ukrainian College Students..."
    This video moves me! I will do anything I can to support these O'So Brave! Kids. My problem is that I am short on ideas about how to help them. I welcome suggestions.
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    • Posted by khalling 10 years ago
      WAIT! perhaps you would have been moved by a slick video produced by the Muslim Brotherhood as well? When the Arab Spring was occurring-I was fortunate enough to be in contact with my friend whose daughter was a student at the American University. While the west was cheering the protesters for taking on Mubarak, they were raping and killing and intimidating on the streets. Then they came to power....that has worked out well, eh?
      The point is, what do you know about the resistance movement and the govt in power? You DO know about the Russian govt, but what if the current govt in the Ukraine is communist, highly socialist? What if they are just a different stripe from from the Russian govt? still want to help them? We need more information....
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  • Posted by $ Stormi 10 years ago
    I too read the Kissinger op-ed, and it made me wonder more than ever what we are doing in this Ukraine mess. Kissinger seems to support Obama, yet says wait and see. Considering Kissinger, along with Soros, have been frequent visitors listed on the Obama Oval Office visitor list, one wonders what they are cooking up. When I sent the op-ed to my brother, a retired USAF Major with high security clearance, he said he trusted Kissinger about as much as he does Soros!
    Think back to the 1970s, or farther to the end of WWII. Kissinger was outed by Polish Army Intelligence officer Colonel General Michael Goleniewski, as a member of ODRA. This was a spy ring which was part of the Soviet intelligence network headquartered in West Germany. This was before Kissinger returned to the US and Harvard.
    Later, as Sec. of State, Kissinger made some questionable appointments, with some being admitted communists.
    By about 1976, Kissinger let it be know he believed, that by controlling food, once can control people, and by controlling energy, especially oil, one can control nations and their financial systems. By placing food and oil under international control along with the world's monetary system, a loosely knit world government could become reality by 1980. ("The Rockefeller Files", Gary Allen).
    So, is this the outcome that Objectivist want to see happen? Is this what the people in the Ukraine understand, while we listen to smooth words. Remember, Rand understood there people and how the operate. Is it Putin we really should watch, or had we better clean up our own government, as it is from within that the communists will take us down.
    Personally, I am not at all sure Obama, Putin and Kissinger are not after the same end goal, and it will not be what we will like.
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  • Posted by iam124c 10 years ago
    Yo, y'all: esp. khalling. You assume too much by my (maybe) less than complete communication of my desire to help the Ukrainians. You speak too much without much to speak of. Have a drink or smoke or something, "Dude." I do want to help them, and I don't care much whether you like it or not.

    You are probably a really nice person. So don't take this too seriously, i.e., my criticism.

    Live Long & Profit
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  • Posted by TexanSolar 10 years ago
    We can no longer be the policeman for the world. We accomplish nothing with our attempts at intervention. The last war that we won was World War 2. Everything that has been done since has been a total failure and has only drained our economy and caused the needless and inconsequential deaths of our young men.
    Our Federal government is completely incompetent. From what I see of his actions, Obama is pro-Islam and anti-Christian. He is on the wrong side. He has not deterred but strengthened and encouraged radical Islam.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 10 years ago
    I'm sure we all have our "If I was king . . ." solutions in mind, but the imperial president we have in office, and his sycophantic enablers have little will to do what is necessary. The U.S. could start shipping liquefied natural gas to Western Europe, which would do two things: give the EU some sense of security, by cutting the power Russia has over them as their major energy supplier; and undermine the shaky Russian economy by direct market competition.

    Getting the Keystone pipeline going would send another signal, as would removing the restriction on selling U.S. crude overseas. We could also encourage our Arab allies to step up oil and natural gas shipments to keep the energy market stable.

    Giving the green light for U.S. energy producers to help the Israelis get their natural gas undersea finds into the market quickly would also create another source for Southern Europe. Russia's wealth comes from their raw materials sales, so anything we can do to shrink their share of the world market can start to throw sand in the gears of what could become a real threat to all of Europe.

    At this point it may be a case of having to enable Ukraine to make a comeback, since we've allowed this situation to develop for so long.
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    • Posted by $ Mimi 10 years ago
      While the media and political parties debate the Keystone Pipeline as a success/failure of this administration, the truth is--Canada is not ready to go. The pipeline would cut through indigenous populations of many north of our border and the Canadian officials haven’t found a viable way to move the natives.
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      • Posted by DrZarkov99 10 years ago
        I find that bit of information odd, since I've had some dealings with the First Nations leaders, who have all been pushing for exploiting the tar sands resources. Alberta was one of the poorer provinces, unable to fulfill the obligations for compensation to the First Nations, until the tar sands became a viable, exploitable resource. Now, the list of First Nations projects are going ahead full steam. There may be a minority of that group who aren't in favor of Keystone, just as there are Americans who don't want it, but I don't see this as something the Canadian native groups oppose.
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        • Posted by $ Mimi 10 years ago
          Ok, my information is not per se first-hand. I was having a discussing with a russian literature professor who had been recanting what she had learned from reading or listening from whatever sources. It is a matter of different provinces with different issues. One issue is there are several primitive tribes. You referred to “poorer” tribesmen, but from what I understood from my discussion is that we are talking about primitive cultures. To move them, would be to erase them. It is a complication.
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          • Posted by DrZarkov99 10 years ago
            First Nations tribes are not "primitive" any more than Native Americans. They exercise all the same access to modern technology as any other rural Canadian. The issue may be traditional tribal grounds of special significance, but compared to finally receiving the promised improvements to health, jobs, and education, those issues are less significant.

            It may be entirely inter-provincial squabbling, as the Athabasca oil sands are located almost entirely within Alberta, and the Keystone pipeline route cuts across the corner of Saskatchewan. The route section of the latter province is short, and since First Nations workers participate heavily in energy construction, that may mean fewer jobs (and tax revenue) for Saskatchewan.
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  • Posted by richrobinson 10 years ago
    Ukraine is a diverse country. Many Russians in Ukraine have welcomed the Russian troops. We have to move carefully.
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    • Posted by khalling 10 years ago
      yes, and the alternative? what form of govt does the opposition want?
      That said, do you wonder how american communists respond to all the monarch like opulence these communist leaders enjoy? If everyone is so equal while do their leaders live as uber rich? Isn't that supposed to be the opposite of what communism is all about?
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      • Posted by richrobinson 10 years ago
        The video is compelling and well done. I kept thinking about some of the stuff I hear American college students say. I don't think these students represent Ukraine and their solution(economic sanctions from EU and US) would have a major impact on world markets. I read an op ed from Henry Kissinger and he made the point that you have to concentrate on how this ends. Sanctions may make things worse. I have little confidence in our leadership.
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        • Posted by khalling 10 years ago
          yes, I read Kissinger's piece as well. It may be completely legit, but my spidey senses are engaged. These students speak almost perfect english, they are very western in their thinking and knowing how to appeal to westerners. I want more information...
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          • Posted by richrobinson 10 years ago
            I noticed at one point one of the students said we speak Ukranian and Russian. I wondered why he didn't mention English.
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            • Posted by amagi 10 years ago
              Ukranian and Russian are both spoken in Ukraine.
              Europeans learn English and other languages in
              school, from elementary up. It is part of their
              education unlike in the U.S. where not too much
              emphasis is put on languages.
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