Healthy vs unhealthy work ethic.

Posted by richrobinson 8 years, 11 months ago to The Gulch: General
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I have been working since I was a kid. My parents instilled in me a belief that if I worked hard and saved that everything would work out. While my wife and I enjoy a nice lifestyle I have already worked more years than most government employees need to retire. Due to downturns in the economy over the years and some bad investments on my part I am no where near retirement. In my neighborhood I see people who make a lot more than I do and work a lot less. I am wondering if my work ethic is misguided or unhealthy. As a retailer I am working 7 days a week during the Christmas season at an average of about 65 hours a week. Dagny and Hank worked long, hard hours and benefited financially from their labors. Eddie Willers worked long, hard hours but probably made a fraction of what Dagny did. Eddie continued to work even after Dagny knew all was lost. Did he have an unhealthy work ethic? Do I?


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  • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 8 years, 11 months ago
    Hello richrobinson,
    Same here; except I will be able to retire before too long by cashing in my assets. If the idiots in Washington D.C. had not pulled the rug from under the economy I could have retired already. I worked so many hours during the creation of my company that I can now just work a regular schedule and since they have made it less profitable over time I refuse to work harder and feed the beast that stole my future and rewarded the indolent. So now I will eventually retire comfortably but not rich... Fortunately my desires have changed and a simple life looks more appealing than it once did.

    Now, if the government would get out of my way I would like to ride the economic upswing one last time. When things are good I have much more incentive. I like to be productive and make things. I make things for the military which I cannot disclose. Many have saved many American lives, but I will not be properly compensated. By the way, anyone working for the government as a vendor can usually tell you they are among the slowest and worst to collect from, but Galt help you if you owe them money. They will just take it from your bank account promptly.

    You have a great work ethic and values. It is the government roadblocks that have diminished your rewards. In the name of equality they want us all to be equally poor and dependent on them. After all "you didn't build that." All your investment and those hours were/are imaginary... right?
    Regards,
    O.A.
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    • Posted by 8 years, 11 months ago
      Thanks OA. Best of luck to you. Small business still seems to be the backbone of this country. If we go the way of the dodo because the free market decides it then so be it. Having the government decide who succeeds and fails reminds me of my favorite novel. :-)
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  • Posted by $ Susanne 8 years, 11 months ago
    I don't think it's accurate to base your earnings on someone else's. I knew a man who was an executive chef who worked well into his 70's - he did it because he loved the work, not for the financial gains (which, while sufficient, were meager compared to others).

    While people joke about it being a "shrug job", I am a civil servant, doing amazing things and working my butt off 60+ hours a week, have 2 pretty labor and time intensive hobbies, and am returning to school next month. Yet I see people who make twice what I do that are clockwatchers, slackers, and moochers. But I don't compare myself to them - one, I love my job and I love work, so I feel that in a real sense is one of the rewards for my hard work... Two, I can look at myself in the mirror in the morning without wincing! But comparing what I do - and my life - to what someone else does does is a no-sum game - the only person I have to satisfy that I am producing at the top of my game is myself. If I did it for another - then I would be the most miserable sort of person...
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    • Posted by Timelord 8 years, 11 months ago
      Hi Suzanne, you really have the ultimate attitude and the best one for achieving happiness and fulfillment. If only there were more like you; if only I could fully achieve it for myself! I'm most of the way there but sometimes I look around at humanity and it's hard not to be negatively affected!
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    • Posted by 8 years, 11 months ago
      Great points Susanne. I love what I do as well. Over the years I have had my niece and 3 nephews work with us. Being around family is important to me. I get a little frustrated at times seeing the James Taggerts of the world being massively over compensated for what they do. Who is John Galt?
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      • Posted by $ Susanne 8 years, 11 months ago
        I like the analogy of JG... He was probably one of the least financially compensated in the gulch, yet he both gave and received fair value.

        I imagine old Nat Taggart - spinning in his grave under the lower level track switch multiplex in tunnel 3 of the Taggart Transcontinental building - at the disaster his son not only was, but was to become... Especially when compared to the resounding success his daughter was.
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        • Posted by 8 years, 11 months ago
          I can imagine how hard it would have been for Dagny to have watched her brother do all the things she loathed. A looter is one thing but when it's your own brother that would be the worst. Luckily I don't have a "James" in my family.
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  • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 8 years, 11 months ago
    I've sometimes complained that I spent the 90's building a software company that made a small profit every year and that had I built an internet company that lost millions I could have sold it for a fortune.
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    • Posted by 8 years, 11 months ago
      I had a customer during that time that took his company public. He said a number of people told him to add "dot com" to the company name even though it didn't really make sense. Luckily he didn't. The bubble burst soon afterwards.
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 8 years, 11 months ago
    Man...this is the eternal question.

    I also work very hard, about 65-70 hours/week. I am not rich. But, I do OK. For me, a key is investing money before the wife blows it. All part of proper money management.

    Dagny and Hank were both lucky and hard-working. I know some very wealthy people who were just lucky - most of those just born into money. I know one guy who lives in an incredible palace of a home overlooking the lake (most incredible home I've ever seen that's still lived in). I've known the guy for years but I have no idea what he does for a living...I'm starting to think he doesn't work at all.

    For the rest of us mortals there are a few keys to pay attention to. Start investing and saving very early in life. Really sacrifice. Learn all you can about finance and business. Avoid debt you don't really need. Work hard.

    As this year rolls to an end I am going to dedicate myself to working less, starting soon. I'm doing well because I have been working like a maniac. But, I'm killing myself with my workload, it's clear. I know of some very successful people who really look like crap and I've decided to make my health a higher priority than it has been.

    Also, realize that the Reardens of the world have taken big risks to get there. Also, many of them have massive failures in their past. They just refused to give up.
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    • Posted by 8 years, 11 months ago
      Health is very important Abaco. I hope you start to relax some. I'm looking forward to the quiet after the New Year. Global warming skipped us the last 2 years. Hoping we get a mild winter.
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      • Posted by $ Abaco 8 years, 11 months ago
        Thanks Rich. Yeah...I'm ready for a little "global warming". Based on what I've seen, firsthand, out fishing the last couple years the Pacific has been very warm. Let's hope it kicks in.

        I daydream about sleeping. That's a sign, huh? This morning the daydream took place in a bunch of blankets in front of the fireplace. Haha...
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        • Posted by 8 years, 11 months ago
          That is a definite sign. I hate when i dream about work. I figure I can dream about anything. Why dream about what I'm going to do when I wake up?
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          • Posted by edweaver 8 years, 11 months ago
            I come up with some of my best ideas while sleeping so for me, dreaming about work is not all bad. As I've gotten older, remembering what the dream was is a bigger problem. If it is really good, I have to get up and write it down or it may be gone.
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  • Posted by lmarrott 8 years, 10 months ago
    Late to the party here but I say No.

    Nobody forced Eddie to work, he chose to continue to work. Maybe part of it was because he loved Dagny. But he was not a moocher and he wanted to do the best he could do.

    I've had a job pretty much since I was 14. This doesn't count a few paper routes. I started washing dishes at a mentally handicapped home where my sister in law was a cook.

    I worked all through High School, joined the Navy, and have worked since soon after I got out.

    I rarely take vacations but if I need days I know I can take them. I get annoyed when people at work complain about some arbitrary day of the week. (Oh, Mondays! Hey it's Hump day, we are halfway there! and, TFIG!) I like my job and I like what I do.

    If I couldn't handle it I would continue to work while I looked for something else to do. If I found something I thought I would enjoy more and I could get by financially, I would seriously consider it.
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  • Posted by johnpe1 8 years, 11 months ago
    Rich, you are the essence of the u.s. spirit, making your way
    to the benefit of yourself and others like those who made this
    country what it is. . the lifestyle of a worker with integrity
    always takes its toll and has uncertain results. . Eddie's
    character is a great example of the wonderful people who
    never quit, who keep the food coming and the power on,
    who keep the water flowing and our homes intact.

    I worked from age 9 to age 59.8 and retired. . I took a
    different route -- engineer, air force, manhattan project
    worker ... and spendthrift. . I desperately love the life
    I have, now, and know that I have been lucky beyond
    my hopes. . but, then, I was going to be the next Edison.....
    instead, that's Dale Halling!

    please be proud of your sustenance of your town, your
    extended family of customers -- you make their lives better
    with every breath you take. . Thank You Sir!!! -- john

    p.s. might I buy a tool or two from you, online?
    .
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    • Posted by 8 years, 11 months ago
      Thank you John. Don't do the online thing yet. We have a strong following in town and get to know our customers which I like a lot. The pluses definitely outnumber the minuses. You have had an interesting life. Still time to be the next Edison.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 11 months ago
    I think I parallel you in several ways. I was in retail both as employee and employer for thirty odd years. It didn't make me rich, but it put food on the table and provided clothes and shelter and some extras now and then. I have a few questions. Do you love your work? Are you good at it? Would you be happier if you owned a bigger enterprise which required you to have it be the focus of your life? Note, did Hank have children? Did Dagny have a family of her own? These are a few questions you might ask yourself which might help you decide how healthy your work ethic is. In my case, I tried certain other jobs that after a few weeks I hated so much that I didn't want to get up in the morning. Small retailers work long hours for less pay, than most other professions. If you chose that and are happy with what you do, regardless of what others make and with less effort, then you are blessed. You'll find that you don't have ulcers and your children don't hate you. (At least not because of your work ethic.)
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    • Posted by 8 years, 11 months ago
      Hi Herb. I enjoy what I do and I believe I am good at it. I don't have kids so that isn't a problem. I can't imagine working for someone else. That would probably drive me nuts. I guess I think of this every Christmas. It would be nice to have extra time off but then again I would probably be bored stiff.
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      • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 11 months ago
        You talk pretty much like every other retailer that I've ever met. It must be some kind of disease we get "Retalis seculorum". Wen I went into the publishing biz with my son, he'd ask me if I'd like to take off early, or how I was holding up when we were trying to meet a deadline. It amused me because to me, 40 hours a week with no weekends was like a vacation. So, working an extra 4 or 5 hours was no big deal. I don't know your age, but trust me, you'll find plenty to do when and if you retire. In my case, retirement was sort of thrust upon me because I had no job when I moved to Florida. For a while, I applied to several different jobs, and you are right, after all those years being the boss, I found it hard to work for someone. Luckily, I found a job that was so much fun and working under people whom I enjoyed that I managed to stay for 2 years. My health deteriorated so I quit entirely and now devote myself to my hobbies full-time and pick up a few $$ writing articles now and then. As to having enough money to retire on, it might depend on the lifestyle you expect to have. In my case, we were able to get everything paid up and we live very simply with a small circle of friends and family. We're pretty cheap when it comes to purchasing and I bet I have socks older than half the Gulchers.Our car is a 10 year old mini van and we keep it in good running condition. This may be more information than you really want to know, but once I start I find it hard to stop.
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        • Posted by 8 years, 11 months ago
          Never too much Herb. Seems strange that I'm in the retail business and I hate to spend money. I buy what I have to and go to dinner occasionally but no frivolous spending. Wonder if I'll retire or Shrug?
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          • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 11 months ago
            It doesn't matter which you choose so long as it is the right thing for you.I sometimes find myself slipping into making a decision because I want to please others. Even when that decision is right, it's wrong.
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            • Posted by 8 years, 11 months ago
              Yes. I am realizing that I agree with Objectivism but it is hard to practice it sometimes.
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              • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 11 months ago
                Only Howard Roark and John Galt were perfect and they never existed, except in the mind of A.R. and she wasn't perfect either. I look at Objectivism as something to aspire to, and I succeed, most of time. But sometimes...
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                • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 11 months ago
                  Keep your eye on the ball, shoulder to the wheel and nose to the grindstone. No matter how much it hurts no pain no gain. Now try to work in that position.

                  Some of the time is far better than those who use it but don't apply it.
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        • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 11 months ago
          To back that up. My sister's company in Oregon closed it's west coast branch and outsourced the work to some other country. She was the office manager.

          14 months later zero interview offfered.

          I looked at her resume and pointed out two lines.

          "erase these that's your problem.. You say manager they read competition. First get your nose in the door and your talents will be noted.

          We moved her to Florida within a month she was working. She's now number one or number two in the office for longevity, officially retired and is getting that plus 30 hours a week pay for continued working. That's to make up for the Obama devaluation of her retirement fund. She is the office trainer and operations manual author and has consistently refused promotions. Still she's seen as a threat to promotions....Go figure....Incompetent people often band together and make up problems that do not exist. So she said fine I'll figure on getting laid off ....Surprise surprise the head of the operation wants her to continue. three days at 10 hours a day which keeps her medical in force. She chose Friday, Saturday, Sunday night when only one of the staff is on duty. Those days pay more but no one wants them.

          The hard part was getting in the door and having a job. The second hardest was putting up with the BS. She's 67 and enjoys her four days off for what amounts to a full weeks pay.
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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 11 months ago
    Working hard is not the answer. Working smart to get as much return for your work IS the answer. They dont teach this in government indoctrination centers (public schools).

    Everyone has what I call "xmen super powers" of one kind or another,. Growing up is a process of figuring out what YOUR super powers are, and then applying them to get the most result (money). Not all "work" is effective in making money. We each have to pick and choose careers that will make best use of our superpowers.
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    • Posted by $ jlc 8 years, 11 months ago
      I like your phrase, but I would have left the explanation at "...applying them to get the most result." If you are making ends meet and enjoying life, it does not matter if you are an origami artist or an engineer. (Yes, I know of some of the recent contributions to aerospace that origami artists have made.)

      To me, the important thing is that you use your xmen super powers to (a) be self-sustaining, and (b) have fun.

      Jan
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      • Posted by term2 8 years, 11 months ago
        that makes sense. the money is just a tool to allow you to do what you want and have a good time in life. money doesnt buy happiness, but it sure HELPS
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        • Posted by $ jlc 8 years, 11 months ago
          Yeah. Money does not buy happiness, but the lack of money is very inclined to result in unhappiness. It is a 'threshold phenomenon' ...or it should be (with some people, it is an infinite series!). ;>)

          Jan
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  • Posted by wiggys 8 years, 11 months ago
    You are probably physically healthy for your age and obviously your mind is good. all because you continue to work. Now give thought to what you would do if you sold out and walked away from what has been good for you for 40(?) years. You might just vegetate. I have been in my business since 1961 and can even consider what i would do now if i retired. your parents did as mine did instill a work ethic in me. those born today up to those who are 50 for the most part do not nor will they have a healthy ethic.
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  • Posted by j_IR1776wg 8 years, 11 months ago
    Rich

    You are a perfect example of someone lucky enough to have thinking parents conveying their values to you in a manner strong enough to ward off the school system's attempts to perform a reasonectomy on your brain. Had the schools succeeded, you would have been certain that you were owed a living provided by the government.

    Joe
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    • Posted by 8 years, 11 months ago
      Thanks Joe. I love what I do and each year I get more and more frustrated supporting those who don't want to contribute at all.
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      • Posted by edweaver 8 years, 11 months ago
        I am with you Rich. I worked 60-90 hours a week, for the first 8 years in business to get established and it is a slap in the face to hear someone say I didn't build that. And to top it all off, since becoming somewhat successful our government reaches farther into my pocket, distributing it to businesses that are deemed to big to fail and other looter is disheartening. Who, is John Galt?
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  • Posted by $ sjatkins 8 years, 10 months ago
    I am not sure "hard work" is to be raised up. Instead I think creating as much value, creating as much that you yourself value as possible, is the measure of a life well lived. How many hours you put in is not the point. How much value you create and enjoy creating and having in your life is.

    Nor is how much money you have the point. How much you value your life and bring value into being is.
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    • Posted by 8 years, 10 months ago
      Well said.
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      • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 10 months ago
        There comes a point in time when every one of runs into a solid wall of reality. It's when you look to the future and suddenly realize all that you valued thus far won't put so much as one slice of bread on the table. nor will it buy you one extra day.

        All those wasted days suddenly come to mind and hang their accusingly. Balanced by the days not wasted on pipe dreams nor dreams from pipe nor piper.

        There is no answer except reality. Even preparing for it doesn't lessen the shock of realizing you could be on your last calendar and there is nothing that can be done about it except live each day as if it is your last day. To full measure.

        Wishful thinking and lottery dreams and worrying and all the witch doctors in the world will not buy you one second extra. I mark that day along with other milestones. The day I realized I didn't have to do as I was told by hypocrites and took charge of my own life. The day I learned to 'retire' and didn't have to work 16 hours a day anymore. The day started I was in the range of the probable number of years left were less than the fingers of my hands but possibly triple. Which was the same day I continued to not fear death nor hide behind 'what if' and 'if only.'

        Enjoying the reality of each day with full senses intact is each and every day the best day of my life.

        It helps to be 39 and holding. But that's the reality of attitude
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 11 months ago
    I'm still pondering a correct answer to the starting post. Eddie was competent within his own abilities. Dagny had the ability however to look at a Taggart Tunnel collapse and within minutes arrive at a solution and implement corrections. She needed many Eddies. But all of them needed only one Dagny.

    I'm reminded of the freeway overpass in LA area after the big earthquake. The contractor had a new one up and running in 90 days. The key was the government assigned the mission and got out of the way
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    • Posted by 8 years, 11 months ago
      Government getting out of the way is the key to a strong ecenomy. I have a lot of respect for the character of Eddie Willers. I'm am a little concerned that I will do the same thing he did and continue working when all is lost. Wonder why he didn't follow Dagny when she Shrugged? Why didn't Dagnt insist he come with her?
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      • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 10 months ago
        Was she shrugging or chasing someone at that point. In reading through she expected her trusted friend to take care of the situation on the train while she went for help and neither of them new is was fruitless. In an emergency crew doesn't abandon the job or people or things entrusted to them.
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      • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 11 months ago
        Didn't he stay behind to cover her retreat or was he just more stubborn? And in the end showed the futility of that? I have to read that part again?
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        • Posted by 8 years, 11 months ago
          He went off to keep the Comet running if I remember right. It broke down and a group riding by on horses told him about the Taggert Bridge collapse. All was lost but he kept going. Committed or foolish???
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 8 years, 11 months ago
    Way too many variables to arrive at a definitive answer. Some might say...work smart, not hard but I also think it depends upon your chosen vocation and it's relationship to all the things, (regulations, things that effect the end user; etc) that govern success.
    Some vocations are more profitable than others regardless of how good someone is at doing them.
    One might just resolve to say "That's just the way the cookie crumbles". However, knowing this, is there some way inwhich to take advantage of this and turn it into profit?

    Worth thinking about. Don't feel bad...I've been thinking the same things. That's why I am transitioning into something, hopefully more satisfying And profitable.
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    • Posted by 8 years, 11 months ago
      Best of luck Carl. I think like this every Christmas season. Too bad I can't take one Christmas off to see if I'd like it. I'm guessing I'd miss what I do too much.
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      • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 8 years, 11 months ago
        Thanks, It's interesting, what you just expressed is that it just might be your essence to do what you do because of what you get out of it...now figure out how to cash in on what you get out of it.
        I get the time thing, Maybe, you can have your cake and eat it too. Involve the things your missing with the things you would miss. Maybe having family involved and do business as if this was your time off, your customers are just friends stopping by to say hi. Have others carry out the business transactions. Maybe? Just a thought.

        Since 2009 I have worked every holiday, I have come to make that time at work, part of my holiday...I actually look forward to it. Like you, my work is about people and providing values. I just changed the way I celebrate and I think I like it better than the old ways.
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        • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 11 months ago
          Agree on your working holidays. That's where a good deal of the overtime is made and these days $$$ are the true meaning of most of the events. I'd rather be on the receiving end or treat the event as it's meant to be treated. Christmas as a religious event and boxing day as a day for the kids. July 4th as a remembrance of history.
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          • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 8 years, 11 months ago
            Me too but I have the advantage of all those things. I work at the first Hospice in America as a building engineer...meaning I fix stuff when broken, keeping things running. I also observe people entering and leaving and help them, talk to them and engage in some interesting conversations. We celebrate each of the holidays as if we were at home for the benefit of patients and family members alike.There are visiting musicians, art shows, singers etc... we even get to see fireworks in the harbor the property is on. It's really a win/win. And best of all, I have time to research and write, something that is difficult to do at home. In fact, I wrote my first book filling in on 3rd shift.

            So I know what you mean, without all that stuff, I'd be in your boat. Maybe there is some way you can incorporate those things into your business model is what I'm getting at.
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        • Posted by 8 years, 11 months ago
          We have adjusted as well. I guess since I have never done anything else I assume other people have it easier than I do. It is rewarding succeeding without any government help.
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  • Posted by $ jdg 8 years, 11 months ago
    Unequal outcomes are reality, and only become a problem when the rich enact well-meaning laws that make it impossible for the poor to get homes and other necessities at prices they can afford. There is nothing wrong with you just because you don't have as much as the other guy.

    I'd say as long as you keep working for as long as you need to, and avoid traps such as taking charity, there is nothing wrong with your work ethic.

    All this applies to me, too. I'm over 50 and not half as wealthy as I hoped I'd be now when I was 25, but as long as I can work I'm not done yet!
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    • Posted by 8 years, 11 months ago
      I was just thinking the other day that we had hoped to have a couple more full time employees by this time. If the Government would quit passing laws to help workers then maybe I could afford to hire them.
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      • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 11 months ago
        I solved that problem for myself and a number of others in the late eighties and early 90's. Everything was based on numbers of employees and number of hours. My partner and I first reduced the number we were store that built systems for home or small business use so that helped others they could afford a leased system far easier than the costs of an employee. Then we set up some people in a local outsourcing business who went from small business to small business, but in the end 'i sold out and the partner, keeping all our regular clients moved to direct support out of his home. The employees went to the employment office.

        That was from eight full time and a dozen part time down to zero. With cell phones coming into play and later wifi that part of the world was flat.

        The cost that killed the retail portion in the end was the disabled employees insurance which featured a huge up front lump sum payment. Monthly wasn't bad it was the buy in to the State requirement.

        The second cost was renovation for example to get to my office up one flight they wanted access for disabled. Instead of a local store that had office supplies, copiers, computer supplies and a mail box etc. operation the area got a 30 to 50 mile drive. The part time staff originally was computers a T9 phone system and running test order call ins for TV and radio marketing.

        That and a stint at insurance was after army retirement and before returning to the merchant marine with a few other adventures thrown in. I figured selling out not only gave me a 8 month sailing and scuba vacation on OPB's it cut my work week to zero hours a week. After that I worked exclusively for other people usually two jobs at a time as the 30 hour week or go elsewhere was becoming more popular. From there I went to sea commercially and worked for the most part eight months a year but from Rich's comment and my sisters reports from Florida I see the government has no intentions of expanding jobs....at least this government. Next thing will be an attack extending requirements for the 20 hour week. the you all can have three jobs or maybe four and both parents will have to work.. just to pay the taxes and buy groceries.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 11 months ago
      Examples please. "Well meaning laws for starters." Like confining the ballot to only candidates from the left? How about forcing loans to those with zero credit rating and no incomes? Now that was the rich that did that. Barney Frank, Thomas Dodd to name two. How about changing the regulations required by banks and then changing them again so those forced bad loan results were valued differently. That was the rich from places like Bank America in league with the rich mentioned above with other rich like Pelosi and of course signed off on by the Rino In Chief. How about forced use of ethanol to buy votes in the midwest and enrich the rich agricorps? Damn that was the same leftist rich again. Rinos to Dinos...every one. How about laundering tax dollars into campaign contributions with the aid of rich union leaders? But you probably were referring to some other 'well meaning' laws so let's get them all out into the light of day and then we can both ask the critical question...Why are supporting these rich well meaning ha ha hand selected for another go round. Seriously keep working. After the next dollar devaluation your current retirement earnings are going to be worth about half of your current estimates.

      Thank God and Greyhound for Walmart and the Dollar Stores.

      Just keep working...the end is nowhere in sight and it's just begun. Hell we're not even through this first 'Great Recession' part II is about to begin. I've got twenty years less of it to deal with than you. So there is a light at the end of one kind of tunnel. But yours is an extra two decades of no choice elections and more 'well meaning laws.' Spare me. There is nothing well meaning about any of it.

      Just looters and enablers.
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      • Posted by $ jdg 8 years, 11 months ago
        The well-meaning laws I was referring to are things like minimum wages and minimum standards for housing, the main effect is to price some people out of the markets.

        And it is just looters and enablers. But the Democratic voting based really do believe those laws aren't causing the problem. Just read the comments section at Mother Jones until you can't stand it any more.
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        • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 11 months ago
          If I read Mother Jones it would involve a trip to the hospital for a stomach pump. Spending two months wading in Yoda Lukoff's cesspool was enough. It took three showers to clean it off each time. I've now got it calmed down (With transfusions and antivenoms) to oh well another bunch of enemies domestic to deal with. Business as usual.
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          • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 11 months ago
            Like any good solider sometimes you do what you have to do and what needs doing no matter how odious barring violating the SOFA, the ROE and the UCMJ and the Constitution above all else.

            Then you vomit.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 11 months ago
    The cliche of "work smarter, not harder" is true. If what you're doing involves long hours for no money, you have to try something different, some new way to serve customers more efficiently. I have no idea how execute that; I'm struggling with this issue too.

    I think it's very good that an alarm is going off in your mind saying this current arrangement isn't working. The sense of something being wrong is not due to other people earning more money or working less by milking corporations or the gov't. Instead I suspect it's because you sense there's some better way to do it, but you haven't found it yet.

    I'm approaching this by making some changes in 2016 and spending some money on new processes that may or may not work, but it won't be fatal if they don't work. Just trying something new gives me energy.

    IMHO it's a very healthy work ethic that urges you to work long and hard but sounds an alarm if you're busting your bottom for something that earns decent money but doesn't build long-term value.
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    • Posted by 8 years, 11 months ago
      I always feel like I can do things more efficiently. I live in Pennsylvania and the one thing that seems certain is our taxes are going up. We may go from a 7% sales tax to 8.25%. Our State is badly mismanaged so any extra profit I squeeze out a portion will go to the low life's running it. Good luck in 2016 CG.
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      • Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 11 months ago
        "Good luck in 2016 CG."
        Good luck to you too. I agree that lowlives are everywhere, esp in gov't. Smart, hard-working people are everywhere too. I believe it's best for me to try not to focus on the moochers, go to some fundraisers that support what I believe, and maybe I'll meet some other hard-working people with good ideas.
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  • Posted by $ Radio_Randy 8 years, 11 months ago
    Dagny and Hank worked hard, but not entirely for the money (though it was a major part). Had either of them hated their jobs...they would have quit.

    I enjoy my job, but will continue working until I can hit the balance between having enough years left to enjoy retirement, yet have enough money to do so.

    I'm close enough to retirement, now, that if I won a million dollars, today, I'd pull the plug in an instant, regardless of the fact I enjoy my job. I've earned it!
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    • Posted by 8 years, 11 months ago
      Good point about Dagny and Hank. They didn't Galt because they wanted to keep fighting. Money wasn't much of an issue. Good luck on the retirement thing. I have often wondered what I would do after I won the lottery. I'll post about it.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 8 years, 11 months ago
    The one thing which stands out to me in your comments is that you have an outstanding work ethic, it just isn't getting the output you think it should have. I can understand your position.

    Sometimes things just don't go our way - through no fault of our own. There's not much you can do but keep going and hope for a break. Don't fault yourself, however, for putting in the time you did. I look around and there are far more people expecting life to go well for them when they are only working 20 hours a week (and not using the rest of the time productively). I don't think it is your work ethic which is in question.
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  • Posted by ycandrea 8 years, 11 months ago
    I don't like to compare myself to others. I compare myself to me. I retired at age 62 because I wanted to and I could. I now spend my time doing what I want to do, when I want to do it. I am not rich, but I do have savings and investments I live on. I am where I need to be in my life right now. I get to spend more time with my wonderful husband, my kids, my grandkids and I have rescued 4 dogs and we all travel. I love my life. I have always loved my life and enjoyed what I was doing at each stage of my life. I was the CFO of a medium sized company when I worked and I was very good at what I did, and I loved it. I was a stay at home Mom when my kids were small and I immensely enjoyed that. In my opinion, life is to be enjoyed.
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  • Posted by dukem 8 years, 11 months ago
    I'm almost 73 and about to undergo yet another interview for a job, which might actually result in hiring this time.
    From very modest circumstances, became a professional, worked my butt off, made a whole lot, lost a whole lot, still very physically, mentally, and psychologically fit, and while I could - and do - sometimes lament how it all worked out, it was a hoot and it was fun. But it's a bit different at 72 when the person interviewing you is less than half your age. I think this one may work out, it's very good money, will get me over the hump, but the resilience of my work ethic will carry me through. Without that, I'd be gone.
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    • Posted by $ jlc 8 years, 11 months ago
      What do you do?

      Jan
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      • Posted by dukem 8 years, 11 months ago
        I'm a construction management executive.
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        • Posted by $ jlc 8 years, 11 months ago
          Thank you. That helps in understanding. I imagine it is a strenuous job, even in a management position. When I was working at the bench as a Med Tech, I assumed that I could continue to work as long as I wanted to, because looking through a microscope or pushing buttons on an analyzer does not take a lot of physical endurance. I can see you being scrutinized more narrowly at a construction management exec position.

          Good fortune.

          Jan
          That being said, I am a decade younger than you, and in good shape: I do 2 martial arts and am learning to joust.
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          • Posted by dukem 8 years, 11 months ago
            Yes, you are right. I stay in good shape, mentally and physically, and think this will go well. Problem is it is in downtown Portland, Oregon, which is in the belly of the beast. Not sure how I will handle the leftist paradigm. But it's good money and interesting work.
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            • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 11 months ago
              Portland, New Amsterdam?
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              • Posted by dukem 8 years, 11 months ago
                Close, but not cigar.
                At a party tonight with liberals who are congratulatory on moving to Portland with the culture and politics. Jeez, now it begins. Thank all of you for the Gulch and the sanity it provides. I read it every day. It keeps me alive.
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                • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 11 months ago
                  I wonder what they would think of one of their former greatest exports thinking of them with that name. I speak of course not of lumber but of high school seniors. Ah well. You are braver than I.
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                  • Posted by dukem 8 years, 11 months ago
                    Not so. You expose your self and your thoughts publicly. I do not. Therein lies the rub.
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                    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 11 months ago
                      Yes but you still live and work in what we used to call Appalachia West. I left and live in FNA. You are well advised to smile and say nothing which shows uncommonly good sense. I meant brave as in going to the function in the first place. Congratulations.
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        • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 11 months ago
          You might like the new 2016 budget - or not - lots of pork which means lots of construction. What's your view on that sort of spending?
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          • Posted by freedomforall 8 years, 11 months ago
            Breaking windows and replacing them to stimulate the economy isn't productive.
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            • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 11 months ago
              Gingrich related at some point in the past visiting France with his family. He noted many of the structures showed evidence of bullet holes etc. He asked if that was WWII. The answer was WWI and the war before that.

              The extension of breaking windows is set forth in Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson. The true cost of a structure, dwelling , factory or town is how many times did it have to be rebuilt other than periodic maintenance? How much did that cost?

              In the military when we kill people and break things both that generation and their structures are a negative sum gain. For those stuck in the 7th century it matters not as their control system does not value life nor the property of others. For the real world advancing yourself or immortality through the chain of your children who live int the same house and did not have to build it three, five ten times.

              Think about that before you send us out to war again. I rather liked breaking things beyond repair. It was great fun. Had it been my house I would have the opposite opinion.

              As a citizen we get to pay for winning and losing and in doing so lose. That's something else that is irrational and needs breaking beyond all ability to repair.
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  • Posted by evlwhtguy 8 years, 11 months ago
    I guess you are Eddie Willers. His fate in the book was one of the most unfortunate and I really didn't understand his place in the story. It is however the fate for the bulk of the population who while not Moochers, do rely on the creativity of the Men of the minds for survival.
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  • Posted by mia767ca 8 years, 11 months ago
    over time you would want to work smarter...i have retired from two jobs and educated myself along the way to trade the option market for growth and income...you can do the same...make your money work hard for you, so that you do not have to work as hard for your money..
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    • Posted by 8 years, 11 months ago
      Excellent point about making my money work harder. Just wish the Government would take less of it.
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      • Posted by mia767ca 8 years, 11 months ago
        based on the reality of govt entitlements, they are trapped into increasing tax rates...

        as long as we have a democracy where everyone has the vote (as opposed to a republic where only those earning income would earn the right to vote), the politicans who will get elected are those who promise to rob peter to pay an increasing number of voting pauls...
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        • Posted by 8 years, 11 months ago
          Truth. Another down turn like '08 and things will get very ugly. We have created a lot of Government dependents.
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          • Posted by mia767ca 8 years, 11 months ago
            we never recovered...6 million professional/manufacturing jobs lost since '08...94+ million working age unemployed adults...middle class disappearing...jobs created are waitress/bartender...or minimum wage...savings destroyed by Fed...big banks/corporations bailed out...
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          • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 11 months ago
            http://www.usdebtclock.org/# 18.8 trillion and Part II of the 2008 downturn upon us. The debt has to be paid....The Debt came home to roost. Be interesting to see who gets their money out intact, with interest, before or after devaluation and more importantly repudiation. You asked for ugly I give you. The Great Recession Part II.

            Only the insiders call it the next turn of the wheel on the Cycle of Economic Repression.

            Question is that debt due for the most part before or after Jan 20th of 2017? I smell more balaned budget with a surplus BS.

            And Boehner Part II agreed to another 1.1 trillion in debts, saying done deal.. Democrats vow to not support the extension of the tax breaks meaning guess whose paying for it...come next April and Obama signs an extension so as not to have the non existent government shut down.

            And you really want to vote for these clowns?

            In that case my advise is BOHICA and don't forget to check the vaseline label for percentage of sand.
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  • Posted by james464 8 years, 11 months ago
    I have one question for you: "Why do you really work?" Do you work because if you do not, you cannot feed the family, or is it because of a higher purpose?

    I would argue that you really cannot reach an answer to your question unless you have an external standard giving you the purpose of work in the first place. If we search without an absolute guide, is the search only over when we feel content? If contentment is the goal, then many other factors have to be considered. You will never reach the answer without an external, extra-anthropic standard defining the reason for work.
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    • Posted by wiggys 8 years, 11 months ago
      when an animal is born in the wild the mother primarily teaches the offspring to fend for them selves. animals do not question why they are here, they just are and they are basically program to function a certain way. they do not have the capacity to reason i.e. think. Man does have the capacity to think and he must learn how to survive which takes years versus most animals less than a year. Because he has this ability to think he works towards making his life better. That is the short version of why man works.
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      • Posted by term2 8 years, 11 months ago
        absolutely. even animals learn which of the "xmen superpowers" they possess and specialize in using those to get food/shelter/protection. Parents should teach their children the same way animal parents do. Protecting the children from the realities of the world makes them weak and stupid and doesnt help them survive.
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        • Posted by wiggys 8 years, 11 months ago
          if that is the case why do so many parents accept sending their children to government schools. that is the initial down fall for them to ever think in terms of being independent, because they do not learn to think which means they do not have the ability to reason.
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          • Posted by term2 8 years, 11 months ago
            I suppose there are practical reasons. You stil lhave to pay property taxes that fund the schools, and home schooling is really kind of a full time thing. I do think that parents could teach what the indoctrination centers dont teach as I noted in my comment
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    • Posted by 8 years, 11 months ago
      Hi James. One of the reasons I chose to do what I do was to spend time with my family. My parents and 2 of my 3 brothers work there and a sister in law. Back in the 80's when Reagan was President I really thought this was a good choice. Now that the US has gone Atlas Shrugged on us it would appear I was wrong. I still enjoy what I do. I guess I just want the Government off my back and out of my wallet.
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