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[Ask the Gulch] Why hasn't anyone thought about or, better yet, brought to fruition a party based on true Objectivist thinking instead of the trash that is sputtering forth from the rest? Just a question.

Posted by lnpuco 8 years, 4 months ago to Ask the Gulch

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Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 4 months ago

I think it's because Objectivism philosophy does not tolerate compromises and politics is about compromises.

To my thinking, as a casual reader of AR, any Objectivist elements in public policy would be steps in the right direction. I can't speaker for hardcore Objectivists, but it seems some of them actually want bad policies either to bring about a flood myth scenario or at least to confirm the narrative that the world does not respect achievement so there's no point in participating in society.

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  Posted by ewv 8 years, 4 months ago
  
  Reform comes from spreading and appealing to correct principles, not by "compromising" with the status quo, endorsing its false premises at every step, and not by expecting people to suddenly turn around because they don't like living in a "flood myth". Being against something does not say what one is for, and "casual reading" of Ayn Rand is not enough and not a means to understand her ideas.
  
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  Posted by MichaelAarethun 8 years, 4 months ago
  
  Not Fascist Politics. There is no compromise with fascist politics by their own design and admission and demonstration. The end goal is all and any means necessary is the method and the truth is what they say at the moment.
  
  Objective compromise goes like this. In any contradiction there are three answers. Right, Wong and Compromise. Which makes two wrong and one right answer.l
  
  But then objectivism is based on tested facts, practical use, continued testing and above all on ethics. Fascist Socialism has none of that except one....
  
  Whatever wins battles is ethical.
  
  AKA by any means necessary. It is the primary tool of the left from Rino to Dino to progressive to it's ultimate conclusions
  
  Why do the Republicans always cave? Because they are an integral part of the left. No compromise...just street theater.
  
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    Posted by allosaur 8 years, 4 months ago
    
    I think part of that caving is due to Obummer buffaloing professional political wimps with the threat of a government shutdown.
    That is because Dems would then make much noise blaming it all on the GOP.
    
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      Posted by MichaelAarethun 8 years, 4 months ago
      
      oxymoron phrase. If they are professional political whatevers they already know it's an empty threat. They may use it to provide cover for selling out but even that is a transparent rag full of holes. The two halves don't fit....
      
      Minus a few inconsequentials temporary lay offs whose pay is made up later government never shuts down.
      
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        Posted by allosaur 8 years, 4 months ago
        
        Yeah, you've hit on the sticking point.
        What is essential to government operation never ever really shuts down.
        To make news stories, the great and mighty O=0 will shut down White House tours, slam the door to this or that exhibit into the faces of senior citizen veterans or close a wildlife park where animals can still fend for themselves.
        The mail still runs.
        SS checks keep coming while O scares oldsters by saying they won't.
        The military continues to operate.
        Forest fires are still fought.
        The IRS will still harass Tea Parties.
        Ect., etc, etc..........
        
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  Posted by james464 8 years, 4 months ago
  
  Objectivism begins with compromises. Take "existence exists." You cannot tell me that is not a compromise in thinking and reason. True reason doesn't stop at this circular argument....true reason would be honest and realize the at some point you have to believe something is out there that made all this; else, you have no right to complain and desire values.
  
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    Posted by Olduglycarl 8 years, 4 months ago
    
    I think Ayn meant: no need to make a big deal about it (existence); not necessarily that existence has always existed and did not have a beginning.
    
    I think Ayn was misunderstood in these respects and she didn't help matters either.
    
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