Solution to murderous muslim problem in Europe.

Posted by davidkachel 4 years, 6 months ago to Entertainment
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Simple solution. Round up European muslims, thrown them on an airplane, throw in one parachute each.
Fly over Middle East and/or Africa, doesn't matter; same muslim cesspool either way. Throw muslims out of airplane. Wait ten minutes. Throw parachutes out of airplane.


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    Posted by khalling 4 years, 6 months ago
    Personally, I, for one, didn't appreciate the dark humor. too dark. However, I am interested in discussing realistic solutions. 1. Do not allow Muslims to immigrate 2. Ban all mosques 3. Ban Islam 4. Ban the Quaran (however its spelled 5. Round up Muslim/Americans and Muslim Immigrants and put into Interment Camps
    None of these are options speaking to freedom
    I will say it is sickening that both the GB prime and our US President spend WAY too much time giving lip service to the Muslim community. I will say judges have gone rogue and ruled in cases deferring to the Muslim community and this is unconstitutional. We should make our outrage known to those people first!
    If we identify Immams(however that's spelled) who are preaching jihad in the Mosques and we act by jailing or shutting down, then how long until this site is closed down for "dark humor"? Or Christian churches shut down for behaving in a "political" manner? We see the double standard every day on our side with the dems in power. I don't know the solution outside discussing and educating- but I do not know any muslims!!! Partly because I tend to avoid groups who are not rational in their beliefs. US/ Them. It just seems like a shitty solution.
    In general, when people have economic opportunity, eventually, they flourish and tend to continue flourishing and become more homogenized into the culture offering opportunity. It doesn't work in every case, but it's a start. Also, finally, quit hogtying our military, give them a clear plan and goals-the goals should be-stabilize, put in place a Constitution like ours instead of what their religion would dictate and make sure they abide by it. We did it both in Japan and Germany after WWII. Refuse religious reasons as a justification in a court of law for anything that goes against our Constitution.
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    • Posted by 4 years, 6 months ago
      khalling,
      Unfortunately, this is not simply a question of free speech or any other rights.
      At this point it could not possibly be any more clear that Islam is a religion of hatred, destruction and murder. At one time, other religions were pretty much the same, but that was the dark ages. Islam never left the dark ages. They still STONE people for christ sake!
      Each muslim MUST be considered to be a time bomb. BECAUSE THEY ARE!!! No matter how "good" any one muslim appears to be right now, history shows us they are not going to remain that way. They are the living embodiment of the zombie myth.
      The only way to get rid of the problem is to get rid of the muslims. They need to be shipped back to their country of origin. If born here, sorry, but you have a disease that you will surely spread if you stay here.
      Once all in their own countries, let them kill each other to their heart's content.
      The next step is to stop buying oil from them. NONE! Zip, zilch, zero, no matter the cost to us. Oil is what gives them money to pay for their hatred and murder. Oil is the only reason they are not all still living in tents and herding goats. Left to their own devices, without oil money, they will either learn to become civilized (I doubt it) or become extinct via self destruction.
      Europe is proof positive. The longer they are permitted to stay, the worse it gets.
      Some may point to the once great civilizations in the middle east. The key word here is "once". Any civilization can regress to savagery and the middle east has, due almost exclusively to Islam.
      It is time to face the truth. If we ever want to live in a peaceful society again, we must get the muslims OUT of the civilized world. (It wouldn't hurt to start minding our own business, either!)
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      • Posted by khalling 4 years, 6 months ago
        "...because "there is no need". WHO decides what YOU need?? The man with the cleaver?)"
        to me, this makes more sense than what you are suggesting. AS well, the oil situation is also interesting. Of course with Obama and the EPA in charge-non-foreign oil options are moving as slowly as molasses. But I agree-the relationship we have with Saudi Arabia is immoral. In no way do I see them as an ally or friend. Enemy. As well as Egypt. Jeremiah Wright preaches hatred and seeks to activate sleepers. Where do we banish him? Also, why is it that no one gets charged with Treason unless they are a spy?
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        • Posted by LetsShrug 4 years, 6 months ago
          Hmmm I want to take that as a compliment, but I have a sneaking suspicion that maybe it wasn't.
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          • Posted by khalling 4 years, 6 months ago
            I said it made perfect sense. Monsters win when we are all forced to be in a fishbowl with no way to protect ourselves. I think about that woman, who talked with the monster on the street, right after the murder. She is lauded as a heroine. What exactly is heroic about a death wish? Also, this happened right next to a barracks. Correct? If that's the case, I find it hard to imagine that happening in US in barracks without a huge response by soldiers. oh yea, Ft. Hood.
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    • Posted by LetsShrug 4 years, 6 months ago
      The real problem is people in power are NOT telling the truth. It's time the people start demanding it and/or telling it themselves. What happened in the UK should be a HUGE warning, but instead of waking up to reality and seeing the truth about these terrorists, people are more comfortable in cowering behind their own fear and weaknesses and making pathetic excuses instead finding solutions to combat blatant disregard for human life. (I'm starting to think unless it's their OWN human life they will NOT care.) This man was doing nothing to anyone, he was of NO threat...just walking down the street. Wake up!! (And of course the sad fact that he ..the victim....doesn't have the legal right there to carry any kind of a weapon that he could've used in self defense is another problem. Imagine...a military man withOUT a weapon. Holy cats! How are they missing that important piece as well?..no pun intended.) I have yet to hear a single idea that even hints at a solution for what they should do to keep these things from happening again..or better yet STOPPING them once they do happen again...as they surely will....and I doubt anything of real impact will be done. The two police in that country who actually have access to weapons can't be everywhere at once and the bad guys know this... the UK is PROUD of the fact that most of the cops don't carry weapons..."There is no need for it." I've heard two Brits say that very thing in the last couple of weeks. It's conditioned lunacy... wow. (No offense Joss, but you guys have let yourselves become defenseless...because "there is no need". WHO decides what YOU need?? The man with the cleaver?)
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      • Posted by JossAmbrose 4 years, 6 months ago
        Like I said before, I was born into this. Jesus if it was legal to carry a firearm & USE one as a means of defence, I'd likely have bumped several people off by now. Saying that, I'd imagine having the right to bear arms changes a lot of things, like how much a person values their life. If dickheads from my past were aware of the possibility of being gunned down because of their actions, I wonder if they'd have behaved like dickheads in the first place. Death is a very fucking big deal!

        There are a lot of unpleasant people in the UK. Perhaps this is so because (in the main) there's no real threat to life so it's taken for granted. If nobody has respect for life, not even their own, then life is cheap & gets wasted. I can honestly see guns becoming a necessity for those who do value life, regardless of the law.

        I expect this post is being monitored by some government agency (or two) because of it's content, so I'll just add the word BOMB for their perusal.
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        • Posted by  $  winterwind 4 years, 6 months ago
          Heinlein was right: "An armed society is a polite society."
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          • Posted by 4 years, 6 months ago
            There is even more to it than the obvious when it comes to gun restriction/control/confiscation...
            It is not simply enough to own a gun. Any more than it is enough to simply own a musical instrument.
            You have to learn to use it effectively which is no small task. It takes thousands of rounds over an extended period of time to become proficient with a firearm.
            In theory, to rebel against a totalitarian regime you only need a gun-getter. That is, anything heavy and deadly. Hit an agent of oppression over the head with a brick (a gun-getter) and you magically come into possession of what was previously denied to you. The problem is that you are now in possession of a weapon you do not know how to use!
            Being able to make it go bang, and actually being able to "use" it are two entirely different things.
            So, gun confiscation is not so much intended to make sure no one has guns. They know that cannot really be done. Prohibition proved it. What confiscation DOES accomplish with great effectiveness is to ensure that in a single generation, virtually none of the populous is experienced or proficient with firearms such that, even if they can get them, they pose little threat.
            This has been mostly accomplished already by having Hollywood, the MSM, the schools and every other asshole out there preaching to our children from the day they can sit up, that guns are evil and they should have nothing to do with them.
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            • Posted by JossAmbrose 4 years, 6 months ago
              I'll say this... It's no bad thing that a lot of people in GB are clueless when it comes to guns. I've actually had some training in the past (not for a long time mind) & I'm a damn good shot. Of course this is in a sporting capacity. Quite how I would handle a gun if forced to use one on another person is another matter. I'd probably go to pieces in all honesty because it's the last thing I'd ever want to do.
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        • Posted by khalling 4 years, 6 months ago
          seriously, consider deleting-for your own good, cuz your nation is off the charts on this-if you have to bug out, you can hang with me-I'm in the tropics and rent is cheap. also, I like kids
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      • Posted by  $  rockymountainpirate 4 years, 6 months ago
        I agree with you. I think black humor has a place. While DK's idea wasn't practical in the long run, it sure expressed what many of us feel. If some of those citizens in the UK had been armed the soldier might still have died, but I bet the jihadies would have also as the citizens could have stopped them and no waiting time. Just a thought.

        Khalling. You're right that 1-5 is anti freedom and un-Constitutional. Force against force and getting rid of the apologists politicians is the solution.
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        • Posted by khalling 4 years, 6 months ago
          DK is provocative deliberately. However, in my opinion, which is never humble, he fanned the flames of anger and possible hatred. Well, hatred has its place for monsters, I'll grant you. All muslims are not monsters. However, Islam is seriously dangerous to our way of life and that is where I wanted the conversation to perhaps go. But you guys were fine with it-great. I know you all pretty well, as far as this forum goes-but many are new to the forum, such as shruginargentina, as an example. I am just admitting that at least one ding was not from a "bathhouse" boy and why
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          • Posted by 4 years, 6 months ago
            Let me add another comment re "hatred has its place for monsters".
            No, you don't hate them. You don't hate a rattlesnake for being a rattlesnake or a rabid dog for being a rabid dog. You simply use your rational brain and recognize the need to remove the threat. You kill it because it must be killed. No hatred involved at all.
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          • Posted by LetsShrug 4 years, 6 months ago
            Lol.... You don't KNOW any muslims you just said so...so how do you KNOW they aren't ALL monsters? You avoid them for a reason... :)
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            • Posted by khalling 4 years, 6 months ago
              I am looking at History. Not all Muslims are monsters. It's observable. My husband dated a Muslim girl in college. He says she was very beautiful and was a physics major. He was entranced. She dressed normally. She was also Malaysian. Religion did not come up in their discussions- lol why would he? it came to light when she wouldn't go to a BBQ joint. As well, he was accepted into grad schoolin another state. She wrote him a few times, clearly upset that he moved. So, my husband knew a Muslim who was not at that time a monster.
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              • Posted by LetsShrug 4 years, 6 months ago
                They aren't monsters ALL the time...they're very good at being polite and pretending they AREN'T monsters. It's kinda their thing when they're milling around a different country (on their dime) and trying to blend in innocently. Did he meet her family? I think someone was looking for a green card...and it moved away.
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                • Posted by khalling 4 years, 6 months ago
                  hmmm, did you just refer to my very handsome, talented, incredibly smart husband as a green card ticket? lol
                  she became an engineer-most likely. she could have made her own way in staying in the country. Like I said, her family (I think) were not that strict. She did not cover her hair and face, she wore jeans and showed some skin. I dunno-that's what he says
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                  • Posted by LetsShrug 4 years, 6 months ago
                    Nooooo.... I was implying that she was using him with her wiles and foreign beauty. I didn't imply she couldn't "make her own way"...I was saying a green card makes things easier to stay here (well that's the idea anyway....not that anybody watches visitors any more). Her family would've been playing a roll as well.... they are deceptive. If she had gotten pregnant by an infidel there would've been hell to pay. THAT is not allowed. (I learned this thru some of my old tenants...American girls who fell for the green card trickery. They are nasty beings and they, the girls, learned it the hard way).
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                    • Posted by khalling 4 years, 6 months ago
                      "her wiles and foreign beauty"
                      hahahahahhaha. he was probably dazzled by her math knowledge.
                      he would have picked up on the Infidel lack of respect thing pretty quickly- it never got far enough-he left and found ME!
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                      • Posted by LetsShrug 4 years, 6 months ago
                        Well whatever was enticing about her was lacking or he wouldn't have left...to find YOU. There's no "disrespect" to pick up on until you cross a line. They are playing a strategic game. It gets very ugly very quick when that happens. I might mention that these girls I'm talking about were of the desperate ilk so they were blinded by the attention and easily used. It was sad really, but hey... if something seems too good to be true honey.... the whole thing gives me the heebies. I didn't get the attraction either way...so the green card angle was blaring.
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                        • Posted by khalling 4 years, 6 months ago
                          now, I can't find where you said this was going on in an apt building you managed. What was the situation exactly?
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                          • Posted by LetsShrug 4 years, 6 months ago
                            I just mentioned it two comments ago...look up! lol (Hint: Look for the word 'tenants'.) The situation was...I had some guys living together of middle eastern dissent and they had some friends that visited a lot and they brought their wives with them sometimes (I think the wives were cousins or sisters or something...it was 20 years ago almost I don't remember every detail! lol). Sometimes I heard them say things. There was also an American girl and a middle eastern man who married and they rented an apartment too (they worked at 7-11, that's where they met...I couldn't make this crap up)... so I learned some weirdnesses from her too. The whole topic was/is very icky to me and for the life of me I cannot understand how one gets involved. The words "desperate as hell" comes to mind though.
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          • Posted by 4 years, 6 months ago
            There is no "fanning the flames". I was in Peru when the Shining Path (Sendero Luminoso) committed their very first murders, and when it was at its peak.
            These groups leave all reason behind and despite their cries for moral or economic justice, they quickly become 'murder happy'. They kill people for fun! Politics, or in the case of muslims, religion, is simply the excuse. It is all a lie. They kill and destroy because it gives them pleasure, and when that point is reached, there is only one way to deal with them... get rid of them all.
            In Peru's case, the only solution was to find them all and kill them. Fujimori had to kill all the ones he held in prison because they were STILL a huge problem, even in captivity.
            Then they had to be hunted down in the mountains and jungles and slaughtered.
            It is not possible to reason with a rabid dog. You either kill it, or put it in your neighbor's yard. I prefer putting it in our middle eastern neighbor's yard.
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            • Posted by khalling 4 years, 6 months ago
              http://www.amazon.com/Jeffersons-War-Ame...
              this is an excellent book. The solution Jefferson/Madison came up with, I completely endorse. Minimum of risk to US lives
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              • Posted by LetsShrug 4 years, 6 months ago
                elaborate
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                • Posted by khalling 4 years, 6 months ago
                  pick the capital city of , say Yemen, send bombers out with flyers. Give them some time to prove they are actively helping to catch terrorists, or tell them you are taking out their largest city. WWI was not finished. Therefore, you had WWII. This must be combined with an idea war. When you as a State are helping terrorists, you are a rogue state.
                  However, this solution, with the present state of the US, and acknowledgement of UN, is impossible to carry out. We have to get our own house in order first. The key here is that one group of people are not targeted. Their State is. as well, tied to specific events. Make it so painful for them to be complicit, they will they'll decide it is not worth it. We have not done that in the Middle East. putting in the "right" leaders without ensuring freedom for their people, it's a game with bad rules and no clear winner
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  • Posted by LondontoArgentina 4 years, 6 months ago
    I've read all the comments here and believe that all of you should read these passages which were taken directly from the Qur'an. All Muslims who believe in this book and most do, also believe therefore in the following:

    Qur’an:9:88 – “The Messenger and those who believe with him, strive hard and fight with their wealth and lives in Allah’s Cause.”

    Qur’an:9:5 - “Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”

    Qur’an:9:112 “The Believers fight in Allah’s Cause, they slay and are slain, kill and are killed.”

    Qur’an:9:29 “Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission.”

    Qur’an:8:39 “Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.”

    Qur’an:8:39 “So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world).”

    Ishaq:587 “Our onslaught will not be a weak faltering affair. We shall fight as long as we live. We will fight until you turn to Islam, humbly seeking refuge. We will fight not caring whom we meet. We will fight whether we destroy ancient holdings or newly gotten gains. We have mutilated every opponent. We have driven them violently before us at the command of Allah and Islam. We will fight until our religion is established. And we will plunder them, for they must suffer disgrace.”

    Qur’an:8:65 “O Prophet, urge the faithful to fight. If there are twenty among you with determination they will vanquish two hundred; if there are a hundred then they will slaughter a thousand unbelievers, for the infidels are a people devoid of understanding.”

    Qur’an:9:123 “Fight the unbelievers around you, and let them find harshness in you.”

    Ishaq:578 “Crushing the heads of the infidels and splitting their skulls with sharp swords, we continually thrust and cut at the enemy. Blood gushed from their deep wounds as the battle wore them down. We conquered bearing the Prophet’s fluttering war banner. Our cavalry was submerged in rising dust, and our spears quivered, but by us the Prophet gained victory.”

    This is just the tip of the Iceberg to see the rest of Muhammad’s quotes: Prophet of Doom

    Get the Hint?
    Convert or Die oh Infidel!!!

    Know your enemy


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    • Posted by UncommonSense 4 years, 6 months ago
      I've known my enemy since 1997. I've known the truth, and yes, what is the truth in Islam is blasphemy, since it wouldn't advance the plague of Islam.

      The problem is all the dhimmi's in The West. Britian's PM is a poster child here. The LNN in USA is a prime example. Ovomit however, is NOT a dhimmi: he's one of them. "Hussein" is an Islamic name: no Westerner can have an Islamic name and NOT be a muslim. This is something the MSM won't tell you. (Like the good-trained dhimmi's they are).

      I will never convert, but they are welcome to die.
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  • Posted by romcentee 4 years, 6 months ago
    When people commit a crime (murder for example) they should be arrested, tried, and punished if found guilty. Ideas are not crimes, thoughts are not crimes, beliefs are not crimes, words are not crimes. Live your life rationally and do not be AFRAID (until/unless you are in danger). These savages are getting way too much attention in my opinion.
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  • Posted by ThomasPhilips 4 years, 6 months ago
    Let's take away all foreign aid to any country that exports muslim terror, without any more warnings, or posturing. We need to stop being patsies for other countries.
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    • Posted by LetsShrug 4 years, 6 months ago
      Yes! Let's stop the give aways to fund other countries who are trying to destroy us, but I don't think we're patsies for other countries as much as we are pansies when it comes to our OWN country.
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  • Posted by  $  ObjectiveAnalyst 4 years, 6 months ago
    Happy Memorial Day!

    Someone e-mailed me a solution:

    WALK NAKED IN AMERICA DAY 2013
    Don't forget to mark your calendars.
    As you may already know, it is a sin for a Muslim male to see any woman other
    than his wife naked and if he does, he must commit suicide.
    So next Saturday at 1 PM Eastern Time, all American women are asked to walk out of their
    house completely nakedto help weed out any neighborhood terrorists.
    Circling your block for one hour is recommended for this anti-terrorist effort.

    All patriotic men are to position themselves in lawn chairs in front of their houses
    to demonstrate their support for the women
    and to prove that they are not Muslim terrorist sympathizers.
    Since Islam also does not approve of alcohol, a cold 6-pack at your side is further proof of your patriotism.
    The American government appreciates your efforts to root out terrorists
    and applauds your participation in this anti-terrorist activity.
    God Bless America!!
    P.S.
    If you don't send this to at least 1 person, you're a terrorist-sympathizing,
    lily-livered coward and are possibly aiding and abetting terrorists

    Now people please remember this is a joke, no matter how poor of taste.
    Regards,
    O.A.
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  • Posted by LetsShrug 4 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Are their heads still covered? Who's deciding which "rights" they're allowed to exercise? And, "women's rights"? Right are rights are rights are rights. HUMAN rights! The ones we're BORN WITH.
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    • Posted by khalling 4 years, 6 months ago
      "rights are rights are rights are rights"
      the right to vote, for instance, is a procedural right, not a natural right. its purpose is to ensure natural rights, but it does not necessarily do so. tyranny of the majority destroys everyone's rights. Under natural rights, you are correct.
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      • Posted by LetsShrug 4 years, 6 months ago
        That's why I said, "born with". :)
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        • Posted by khalling 4 years, 6 months ago
          inherent with being a human. "born with" opens the door a crack for religious or you're born. where are your rights? I don't see any kind of thing. they are not physical, they are inherent. an ethical system related to a good govt, what it can and cannot do. (Locke) much less complete than Rand.
          "A “right” is a moral principle defining and sanctioning a man’s freedom of action in a social context. There is only one fundamental right (all the others are its consequences or corollaries): a man’s right to his own life. Life is a process of self-sustaining and self-generated action; the right to life means the right to engage in self-sustaining and self-generated action—which means: the freedom to take all the actions required by the nature of a rational being for the support, the furtherance, the fulfillment and the enjoyment of his own life. (Such is the meaning of the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.)

          The concept of a “right” pertains only to action—specifically, to freedom of action. It means freedom from physical compulsion, coercion or interference by other men.

          Thus, for every individual, a right is the moral sanction of a positive—of his freedom to act on his own judgment, for his own goals, by his own voluntary, uncoerced choice. As to his neighbors, his rights impose no obligations on them except of a negative kind: to abstain from violating his rights.

          The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.

          Bear in mind that the right to property is a right to action, like all the others: it is not the right to an object, but to the action and the consequences of producing or earning that object. It is not a guarantee that a man will earn any property, but only a guarantee that he will own it if he earns it. It is the right to gain, to keep, to use and to dispose of material values." AR, Virtue of Selfishness, Lexicon
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          • Posted by Rocky_Road 4 years, 6 months ago
            Nice informative narrative!

            You do know that the draft Declaration of Independence was phrased: "...and the pursuit of property."

            The writers changed it to what we all know.

            Maybe they should have stuck to the original thought?
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            • Posted by 4 years, 6 months ago
              Well, if you have to pay property tax, you DO NOT own your property. The state does and you just lease.
              So, property rights have been gone for a looooong time.
              There is also a yearly business tax in most jurisdictions. It is called different things in different locations, but basically, you add up the value of all the physical objects in your business and pay a percentage of that value to the county/city/whatever. I call it the circular file tax.
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              • Posted by Rocky_Road 4 years, 6 months ago
                I agree with your opening statement.

                I 'own' my house free-and-clear, but if I don't come up with my annual property tax, then I can see my property sold off to the highest bidder.

                The irony is that my local property taxes MOSTLY cover educational costs, and my children have not set foot in a local school for a decade and a half. That mans that I am paying to educate strangers.

                I owned my own business for almost 19 years...so don't get me started on business taxes!

                The founding fathers kicked around the option that only landowners could vote. Not a bad idea, since it sort of implies that only the 'producers' should determine where we head next. Even more profound given where we are today in regards to being a welfare state.
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                • Posted by khalling 4 years, 6 months ago
                  I would kinda agree, except at the time, women could not OWN property. fail
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                  • Posted by Rocky_Road 4 years, 6 months ago
                    You are entering dangerous territory!

                    Many historians begin the Fall of the Republic calender on the woman's suffrage passage; IE: votes cast on emotions, vs. reason.

                    Might have some validity? (I exclude you, of course, but how do you honestly analyze your brethren?

                    (Big 'smiley' grin here...just make the image!)
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                    • Posted by 4 years, 6 months ago
                      There is no doubt. Women are far more susceptible than men to cute little bunnies, charity for all, taking care of the children, yadda, yadda, yadda.
                      This is not lost on the left. They play those cards every chance they get and a case can be made that a woman can be duped into voting away her freedom more readily than a man for these reasons.
                      The solution is not to deny women the vote, but to make sure everyone knows the same truths and understands their rights. A woman who knows what is really going on is a pretty dangerous thing.
                      I find the thought of an indignant, righteous woman with a gun in her hand pretty damned sexy. (Unless she is that way because I just came home at 3 AM. Then all bets are off; NO RIGHTS FOR WOMEN!!!)
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                      • Posted by Rocky_Road 4 years, 6 months ago
                        Women are Venus...Men are Mars.

                        There have been books written about this.

                        It is ludicrous to claim that men and women are on an equal emotional basis. It just ain't in the genes....

                        Even Rand knew this. How many of her characters were dominant males? And how many of her characters were dominant females.... The female characters (read: Dagny) were atypical, and had all the aspects of a dominant male.

                        I am sure that I will be 'flamed' for this by Khalling...but I see Khalling as Rand's exception to the rule, and a very welcome one.

                        I resubmit my question: how many of Khalling's female friends stand up to Rand's scrutiny?
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                        • Posted by khalling 4 years, 6 months ago
                          wbtw, Rome did not allow females to vote and they went down the welfare state/emotional argument. so that line of reasoning is incorrect. the catholic church is not run by females and is a debacle. Islam is not run by females-crazy land. this is not about male vs female and the vote. it is about reason and logic.our society has gone down the Kantian path of elevating emotion over reason.
                          in Rand's novels, there is no confusion between male and female roles. Dagny is strong, but she is not looking for a metro. toohey, in Fountainhead is a man, but he clearly plays to peoples' emotions. In my world, a woman wants a strong man and a man wants a strong female-but strong here is about logically and morally. Intellectual, moral, can't turn them into a touchy feely female
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                          • Posted by Rocky_Road 4 years, 6 months ago
                            First...I am computer shorthand illiterate, so I have no idea what "wbtw" means.

                            But I can guess that it doesn't mean "I agree"!

                            There are light years difference between male and female roles in the Rand novels...the strong females have Randian 'balls', and the rest are just that...Rand's subservient female role models. That is paramount to her message.and impossible to honestly ignore.

                            It is admirable that you equate yourself (as I do) to the strong female characters, but to suggest that Rand sees this in the female population is mere projection.

                            The Gulch was established by male "producers", and select female ilk were welcomed.

                            To suggest that female voters are not tied to emotional issues, goes against ALL studies to date. I am not putting down the emotional side of feminine politics per say, but I am submitting that that side of the issue(s) does harm to the health of the Republic. Everything that is wrong with our current scenario can be traced to emotional vs. pragmatic solutions.

                            Take your pick...I will prove it.
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                            • Posted by khalling 4 years, 6 months ago
                              your point is taken. I don't really distinguish the sheeple. men and women alike. In my life, most of my friends and family are emotional. However, they don't all make decisions based on emotion. but as far as sheeple go, they are adrift, with no foundational set of principles by which to guide their actions and decisions. They are so inconsistent it leaves you scratching your head at how they make it through the week, let alone a lifetime. everyone thinks they might be easy to predict, but I always find they more likely unpredictable. and further, they make fun of predictable, logical people as simpletons. whole audiences of people will laugh along with that assessment-yes, it's true-these black and white thinkers are so dumb and predictable. Bow down those whose morals are in the grey area
                              the enigmas-that's how you know how smart someone is.
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                          • Posted by Rocky_Road 4 years, 6 months ago
                            You have convinced me to undertake a new mission: to get in touch with my feminine side.

                            I am changing my adult beverage to cosmopolitans and smoking Virginia Slims (menthol).

                            If I find myself signing the birthday cards that I normally send out blank, I will surely be smacking my forehead in some sort of 'I could have had a V-8' epiphany! This forum will be the first to know about my miraculous conversion....

                            I am tired of being some sort of caveman...!

                            Pouring my first cosmo, and lighting up as I type.

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                      • Posted by LetsShrug 4 years, 6 months ago
                        I hate women! (gulch girls excluded of course). :) Truth be told, outside of the gulch, I know next to zero women OR men who are well versed in any of this stuff. It's a sad state.... and a sad State too.
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              • Posted by khalling 4 years, 6 months ago
                property rights exist whether or not the state protects them. There must be a standard objectively, by which to say, they are NOT protecting my property rights or even they are EXPLOITING my property rights.This is an important philosophical demarcation in determining right from wrong. what IS, well, that is another story
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    • Posted by  $  Maphesdus 4 years, 6 months ago
      Well yes, everyone deserves to have equal rights, and you could technically say that all rights are human rights. However, the simple fact of the matter is that historically, human rights have only ever been protected on a group by group basis, and not an individual basis. Sure, you could argue that things SHOULDN'T work like that, but that won't change the fact that they do.

      But all of that is besides the point, that point being that women are slowly gaining rights in the middle-east, thanks in part to U.S. occupation. Granted, there is still a long way to go, but progress is definitely happening, albeit slowly.
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      • Posted by khalling 4 years, 6 months ago
        let's not confuse an ethical system with what is. Rights are the standard by which you determine whether the actions of the govt or person are correct or wrong. even if women are slowly taking back some lost freedoms, the foundations on which these govt systems were created do not acknowledge natural rights. Until those systems do, those countries will be forever in murderous upheaval and their people not flourishing
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  • Posted by Rocky_Road 4 years, 6 months ago
    I understand your frustration...and understand your dark humor.

    Sometimes an extreme response is necessary to keep one's sanity....

    My frustration is that a rational response has to be based upon a rational framing of the issue: Was this an 'act of war'? Or was this just another 'isolated incident'.... Until we put on our logic cap, and admit that we are engaged in a very real 'war' with an evil mutation of the Muslim religion, then we will always be one step behind, and had better funnel more money in the purchase of body bags. We will always be second-guessing as to how we could have saved (read: our) lives.

    'They' are on a full scale war footing...and we are still trying to figure out how to buy them a Coke and make reality a universal trip through the Disney "It's A Small World" ride.

    We are losing...and will keep on losing...until we 'fess' up and define the reality of their commitment, and the foolishness of our denial.
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  • Posted by UncommonSense 4 years, 6 months ago
    I can tell you're pretty damn sick of the Islam that's taking over, it seems, everywhere you look. Finally, you now understand where I've been since I got back from the Middle East in 1998. NO ONE BELIEVED ME WHEN I SAID THEY (MUSLIMS) HATE US.

    Please remember, the muslims are the truly deceived ones. Islam is the problem, not muslims. The best people who speak out against Islam are the former muslims themselves. They all have balls of steel and are full of courage: they have to: leaving Islam is punishable by death. All former muslims say the same thing about Islam: IT'S A LIE.

    But, regarding your idea, here's mine: I'd rather NUKE Saudia Arabia during their hajj. Then announce a NUKE will detonate over all the other islamic countries unless they do something different, and TELL THE TRUTH about Islam and mohammed, even if it means telling something that's embarrassing, or humiliating. If they stop lying, we'll stop nuking. Pretty simple, I think.
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    • Posted by 4 years, 6 months ago
      It seems nobody gets dark humor any more.
      However, I do think it wouldn't be a bad idea after every terror attack to determine the country they came from, then retaliate so massively that they will remove their own terrorists from society as fast as they can find them. And they would want to find them VERY fast!
      Maybe nukes after the second attack from the same country.
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      • Posted by UncommonSense 4 years, 6 months ago
        Your "remove their own terrorists from society" is interesting. In order for muslims to do that, it means they would have to remove Mohammed from Islam. And that, simply isn't going to happen anytime soon, unfortunately.
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        • Posted by 4 years, 6 months ago
          Even the worst evil people get religion pretty fast when they face imminent extinction.
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          • Posted by ShruginArgentina 4 years, 6 months ago
            Don't Muslims aleady HAVE religion by defintion or are you suggesting that Muslims (appaently the "worst" (most) evil people in your view) would change their religion before being thrown out of a plane without a parachute?

            I for one would rather die with the belief that I was going to be rewarded with 72 virgins than the thought that I would be spending eternity hearing my mother say. "See, I told you so." with a chorus of children singing "Jesus Loves Me" in the background (my view of the Christian afterlife where there is no real difference between heaven and hell).
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            • Posted by khalling 4 years, 6 months ago
              that's kinda funny. The point is, however, you have a religious doctrine stressing reward for jihad. and so, the question begs-in order to be devout, one is encouraged to commit harm against Man. It is irrational, and frankly the reward is stupid. Why would eternal life with 72 virgins hit the spot over, say, enjoying your family and your children having families and good times with great friends and building ones' dreams? It seems so immature and instant gratification-like. What about female jihadists? what do they get?
              Just as I believe christian afterlife doesn't seem like much fun. I guess hell isn't a treat either.
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              • Posted by khalling 4 years, 6 months ago
                oh, but wanted to add that Christianity does not teach harm against fellow Man. That it has been interpreted throughout History as such, is one thing-but actually encouraged in doctrine? not that I ever learned.
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            • Posted by UncommonSense 4 years, 6 months ago
              Yes, anyone who wants to kill you because their jackass, thug, war-lord, slave-owner, pedophile, necrophiliac, egotistic, psychotic "prophet" said so is classified as "the worst" in my book.

              I find it interesting you don't. Oh, perhaps you can answer this one: How do you "coexist" with a culture whose followers are commanded to kill you simply because you don't believe what they believe in?

              Christ was asked what happens to us in Heaven. Jesus replied "For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the Angels of God in Heaven" Matthew 22-30.

              There are more references to Hades or Hell in the New Testament than you can shake a stick at. Here's a challenge: READ IT.

              Now, onto a subject I'm glad you brought up: the 72 virgins thing. Here's something no muslim would DARE bring up before an Immam: it would mean death because they would be asking an intelligent question:

              Why would we have sex in heaven? Aren't we as angels? Let's examine this a little closer shall we?

              Besides the obvious, why do human beings have sex? Instinct. It's an instinctual act. But WHY? Because our bodies will eventually DIE, so, to keep our species going on, we have sex to procreate and pass on another generation. Sex is a physical act. Is sex spiritual? I don't think so. Emotional? Sure, but definitely physical. Got it? Ok, now for the interesting part.

              Why then would we have sex in Heaven? Are we physical beings? Nope. Will we "die" in Heaven? Nope. Why? Because we aren't in a physical existence. SO, since we aren't physical, and SEX is PHYSICAL, WHY then would we have an "instinct" to have sex with another spirit to pass on another generation of spirits? Does this make sense?

              No, it doesn't. But, when your life is being threatened by a maniac, you'll do anything to keep your life won't you? Now you understand how Mohammed converted followers post-Mecca days.

              This is something that is never explained to muslims. It is forbidden. Stop looking at Islam from a Western point of view and start looking at it from a Eastern point of view.
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              • Posted by ShruginArgentina 4 years, 6 months ago
                The sexual "behavior" of human beings is not instinctual. It might be called natural in one sense, but initiating sex is a VOLITIONAL act. If it wasn't we'd all be humping like dogs in the street and there would be no CONCEPT of consentual sex and no such crime as rape.

                Not everyone will do anything to keep their life when it is being threatened. Some will die rather than renounce their beliefs (early Christians and today's militant Muslims, just to name two) and others will die to save the lives of others. Please read "The Ethics Of Emergencies" by Ayn Rand.

                I think some of the prolific posters on this site might benefit tremendously from reading some of Ayn Rands essays (aka non-fiction). Perhaps that would result in more frequent use of words like volition and concept as well as fewer examples of flawed logic.
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                • Posted by khalling 4 years, 6 months ago
                  I'm about as prolific as they get on this site, and I am interested in you pointing out where I am illogical. One does not have to be an expert in Objectivism in order to be logical. I think I recently quoted from the Ethics of Emergencies after the Boston bombing. The fact that people are spitting mad in here regarding our leaders' deference to religious philosophy that seems anti-Man is valid. The fact that people on this site are spitting mad anyone for encroaching on the culture of freedom in the US, and actively promoting a religion that is anti-Man is also valid.
                  uncommon, your line of reasoning about sex in "heaven" can be extended to Christianity. The fact that the good book expects me to buy into angels for example. In Christianity, the harmful component is Faith. Whenever there is a lesson in Faith, it is to the exclusion of reason.
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                  • Posted by ShruginArgentina 4 years, 6 months ago
                    You're correct. One can be logical without being an expert on Objectivism, but being logical doesn't mean being right. It depends on your premises.

                    kahlling, I did not single you out as being illogical. I have previously complemented you for your contributions to this site, but I do not agree with your suggestion to ban all mosques, Islam, and the Quaran. Nor do I agree with the suggestion to round up Muslim/Americans and Muslim Immigrants and put them into Interment Camps.

                    The latter would be the logical course of action prior to implementing davidkachels's plan of throwing Muslims out of airplanes without parachutes.

                    Throwing "enemies" out of airplanes follows the Argentine model, but it would probably prove to be too expensive and too time consuming. It would also be messy unless done over a large body of water.

                    The logical (and most efficient) way to achieve davidkachel's desire of exterminating all European Muslims (he did not exclude any of them) would be to follow the German model: First, round them up and then put them into internment camps. Following the German model, cattle cars would be the most cost effective way to transport them to the camps.

                    Then tell them soup and bread will be served to them after they take a shower. The rest is (already) history.

                    I think davidkachel was well beyond spitting mad to advocate throwing Muslims out of airplanes and I see that he has dialed that back to just throwing them out of the USA.

                    As long as those in control of the US government today are in power things are not going to improve and "heaven help" the USA if there is ever a Muslim President.

                    Uh oh.

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                    • Posted by Signofthedollar 4 years, 6 months ago
                      Frankly there is a real problem with Islam that killing its followers will not address. Yes it built into the Quran that you must convert, kill or tax infidels. It is also a self referencing document. Such that it states that this is true because it is written in the Quran. So there really is not much room for interpretation without violence. And killing the followers of Islam will only produce more jihadists. So it is a well designed system that produces converts or killers. The only way from a historic sense to break the cycle is to break the physical foundation of the belief. Basically, Mecca has got to go.
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                      • Posted by 4 years, 6 months ago
                        No one here has advocated killing muslims, unless you took my original post to heart (you would be the only one).
                        What was seriously advocated was, get them out of the country so they can go nuts and kill each other in their own countries. At this point it is pure insanity to give a visa to a muslim, and even crazier to just ignore the ones who are already here.
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                        • Posted by Signofthedollar 4 years, 6 months ago
                          Of course no one is advocating such a thing. That is the point of my post. Killing never will change religion. Neither will sending them back to their own countries and locking them in. ( I may be wrong it that time will tell.) Physical foundations that give validity are the breaking point.
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                          • Posted by 4 years, 6 months ago
                            That makes no sense whatsoever. Let's consider just the obvious subset of all muslims in America: those currently planning murder and mayhem.
                            Sending them back to their countries will absolutely prevent them from doing what they are planning, unless of course they can slip back in through Obama's "welcome muslims" porous border with Mexico.
                            Who cares if that will "change their religion"? I'm not interested in changing their religion. I just want to put it out of reach of America. In fact, the more they kill each other, the better for the rest of the world.
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                      • Posted by khalling 4 years, 6 months ago
                        Check out Ireland. Hundreds of years of religious war, and when policies changed to focus on economic freedom, people found they could have a better life pursuing production, instead of what they were doing-namely killing. There will always be fanatics. But it's whether they garner support from those in the middle road, determining how the fanatics succeed.
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                        • Posted by Signofthedollar 4 years, 6 months ago
                          True but they did not have any intact focused holy sites to draw a power base from. Mecca is one of the very few if not only intact holy site for a major religion. All the focus is there. Does any one remember 70 AD?
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                    • Posted by khalling 4 years, 6 months ago
                      check your premises, please. I specifically listed those things and then said they were NOT good solutions and why. I went further into detailing what I thought was a better solution; including bringing up a book that specifically looked into how Jefferson/Madison dealt with the problem 200 years ago. I have been consistent that I find Islam a dangerous religion. . Apparently, if we were in GB, the police would have rounded up the creators of certain comments in here in an effort to protect extremists from us! Since my birth, I have lost more freedoms than I can count on both hands-who am I to deny anyone from letting off steam when things like this happen DUE to nations not allowing citizens to self defend in the most logical and practical ways? that was really the intent of the post to begin with. Many on this site are watching states and Fed slowly but surely, dismantle the 2nd amendment.
                      I don't know who is dinging your comments on this post, because this is an important conversation
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                • Posted by UncommonSense 4 years, 6 months ago
                  I give you a point on your debate, however, you completely ignored the question of why would we have sex (a physical activity) in a spiritual realm? Can we create baby spirits in Heaven?

                  I never said everyone will compromise their principles to save their skin when threatened, but MOST will. How do I know this? In the first 10 years of Islam (the Meccan period) Mohammed converted about 150 followers. However, after he and his followers got kicked out of Mecca and he headed to Medina, Mohammed changed his tactics and went political and militant. Over the next 13 years, Mohammed (via threat of death or through violence) converted over 100,000 followers. Something tells me the converted compromised on their principles here.

                  Prolific posters on this site would benefit tremendously if they did some research on the enemies of Western Civilization and understand what methods were employed how they have been proven successful in implementation for over 1400 years. Islam is Anti-Life.
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                  • Posted by ShruginArgentina 4 years, 6 months ago
                    Since I don't believe in a spirit realm I don't plan on having sex in one. I was being facetious when I said I'd rather have sex in the afterlife than spend an eternity hearing my mother say, "See, I told you so."

                    I lived in Utah for 15 years. The Mormons believe that all spirit babies aleady exist and it's the responsibility of the members of the flock to bring them into earthly existence.

                    Mormons also believe in carnal bliss in the afterlife.
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                    • Posted by UncommonSense 4 years, 6 months ago
                      Yeah, I'm aware of Joe Smith and his sexual frustrations & his penchant for creating stories & fanciful writing that only he (convenient) can interpret. Similar to Islam minus the violent intimidation. Similar regarding multiple sexual conquest.

                      I'm confident you won't do any research on Islam and Mohammed, so I'll give you a bit of a spoiler: Both Mohammed and Joe Smith stupidly thought they could put Earthly, physical desires and values and apply them to the spiritual realm. That's like trying to mix oil and water successfully.

                      Should you ever decide to move beyond the politically correct, popular Lame Stream Media, Islamist propaganda version of Islam, don't look it up on Wikipedia. Use the exact version of the Koran, the Hadith and the Sura that the Islamist themselves use. Then we can discuss further if you wish.

                      Now for the problem. It's fine if you don't believe in the spiritual realm. But the muslims do. Communists don't believe in the spiritual realm either. If I were a betting man, in a fight between you, or the communists against the suicidal muslims on the battle street (what field?) I would put my $$ on the Islamist victory. They have an incentive. (The virgin thing) What is yours? It can't be entitlements. Nor would it be a tax-break. So what then would motivate you to fight them?
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                      • Posted by ShruginArgentina 4 years, 6 months ago
                        "I'm confident you won't do any research on Islam and Mohammed, so I'll give you a bit of a spoiler: Both Mohammed and Joe Smith stupidly thought they could put Earthly, physical desires and values and apply them to the spiritual realm. That's like trying to mix oil and water successfully.

                        Should you ever decide to move beyond the politically correct, popular Lame Stream Media, Islamist propaganda version of Islam, don't look it up on Wikipedia. Use the exact version of the Koran, the Hadith and the Sura that the Islamist themselves use. Then we can discuss further if you wish."

                        Has anyone ever told you that you have a tendency to be presumptuous and condescending? If you actually knew anything about me you would know that I pay no attention whatsoever to the "lame stream media" (CNN, NYTimes, CBS, NBC, ABC, etc.).

                        How could you possibly know how much or how little I know about Islam or the coming calafate? Yes, I know about it and I'm glad to be living in Argentina where Calafate is the name of a lovely town. In case you haven't noticed, I already shrugged and have gone Galt in Argentina.

                        There are fewer Muslims where I live than Yankees...and I'm the only one. I will not put myself in a position to fight Muslims now (or in the future) any more than I allowed myself to be forced to fight communism in Southeast Asia 45 years ago.

                        Nothing whatsoever will motivate me to fight Islamic fanatics in the USA. You were right that I don't need I don't need tax breaks or entitlements. I can live in peace where I am now (in a beautiful country home) for less than $1000 per month (including all taxes, utilities, and insurance) without worrying about suicidal Muslims in the streets.

                        If they ever get to my front door in Argentina, the USA and Europe will already be in ruins. I will defend my home, just as everyone around me will. ...and I mean everyone.

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                        • Posted by UncommonSense 4 years, 6 months ago
                          Yes, sometimes I can be presumptous and condescending, but only some time after I've banged my head needlessly against a wall.

                          It's great you don't watch the lunacy of the LNN (Liberal News Networks, the ones you list) It's also great you have a place to hide, but keep in mind, the muzzies and the commies will eventually catch up with you. You'll know when the fight is close to your door when you see the crap that's still happening in Sweden, happening in the U.S. I predict it will happen in Dearbornistan, or Detroit first.
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                          • Posted by ShruginArgentina 4 years, 6 months ago
                            I'm not hiding. Even the IRS knows where I am.

                            Fortunately, I am not subject to Obamacare and private health insurance in Argentina costs $100 per month (a group rate) for full coverage with no deductibles or copays.

                            It was the commies that were thrown out of airplanes in Argentina the 1970's and 80's. I doubt that will happen again.

                            There have already been two Islamic terrorist bombings in Argentina. Both occurred in the early 1990's. One destroyed the Israeli Embassy and the other destroyed the Jewish community center. I live 650 km from Buenos Aires. No one around here is worried about a fighting a ground war with militant Islamists.
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                            • Posted by UncommonSense 4 years, 6 months ago
                              Even the damn IRS knows where you live? I'm disgusted. Why the hell do they need to know where you live if you're outside the States? Did you renounce your citizenship? If not, that may be why.
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                              • Posted by ShruginArgentina 4 years, 6 months ago
                                No, I did not renounce my citizenship. The IRS knows where I am because I still file US tax returns. I also want them to know I live outside the USA more than 330 days of the year and am not subject to Obamacare.
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                              • Posted by khalling 4 years, 6 months ago
                                the IRS demands to know where all of its citizens are unless you renounce citizenship. We are the only nation that does that. In order to do that, you must file a US tax return, even if you live outside the US. If you earn an income, it is subject to US taxes over a certain amount.
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                        • Posted by Rocky_Road 4 years, 6 months ago
                          "...any more than I allowed myself to be forced to fight communism in Southeast Asia 45 years ago."

                          Draft dodger?

                          I wasn't...and love to meet them in the flesh.
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                          • Posted by ShruginArgentina 4 years, 6 months ago
                            I registered with the "Selective Service" 45 years ago next week. I had a student deferment for about a year and a half. I dropped it in December of 1970, knowing I would probably never even be called for a physical.

                            I wasn't.
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                            • Posted by Rocky_Road 4 years, 6 months ago
                              Let's see:

                              "...any more than I allowed myself to be forced to fight communism in Southeast Asia 45 years ago."

                              "Nothing whatsoever will motivate me to fight Islamic fanatics in the USA."

                              "...I'm glad to be living in Argentina."

                              "... I will not put myself in a position to fight Muslims now (or in the future)."

                              You are as predictable as menopause. I 'flagged' you a while back, but waited to see what else you would post. You are peeling the layers off of the onion with every post. You are anti-American, and the antithesis of what the majority of us here believe in.

                              Argentine (your stated anthem, you should have been more careful about this) is the poster child for socialism...and the antithesis for what I stand for.

                              You are a mole for what I abhor...and as such you have been 'outed'. Others here can make up their own opinion.
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                              • Posted by khalling 4 years, 6 months ago
                                rocky, I too, live outside of America. I am a firm believer in our Constitution, but left because it is no longer the country I grew up in. Have you flagged me? Many Objectivists do not support the vast military complex we have built. Rand was quite outspoken regarding goals and accomplishments in Viet Nam. I think we can agree she was not anti-american. She chose the US.
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                              • Posted by ShruginArgentina 4 years, 6 months ago
                                Posted by Rocky_Road 30 minutes ago
                                Let's see:

                                "...any more than I allowed myself to be forced to fight communism in Southeast Asia 45 years ago."

                                "Nothing whatsoever will motivate me to fight Islamic fanatics in the USA."

                                "...I'm glad to be living in Argentina."

                                "... I will not put myself in a position to fight Muslims now (or in the future)."

                                You are as predictable as menopause. I 'flagged' you a while back, but waited to see what else you would post. You are peeling the layers off of the onion with every post. You are anti-American, and the antithesis of what the majority of us here believe in.

                                Argentine (your stated anthem, you should have been more careful about this) is the poster child for socialism...and the antithesis for what I stand for.

                                You are a mole for what I abhor...and as such you have been 'outed'. Others here can make up their own opinion."


                                Thank you, Rocky.

                                I am always interested in what the "presumers" have to say here.

                                Have you considered the possibility that you don't have enough facts about me to draw accurate conclusions, especially about my decision not to fight communism in Southeast Asia.

                                I was prepared to fight it somewhere else.

                                And I did.

                                Unfortunately, those I stood up against are the socialists who are now in power in the USA. And the fact that I live in Argentina today does not make me anti-American or a Socialist. If you've read all of my posts you would know I was not "going Galt" when I moved to Argentina.

                                The USA will soon surpass Argentina as a socialist nation, if it hasn't already. I choose not to return to fight either the government or religious fanatics in the streets.

                                Does that make me anti-American? I love the Constitution of the United States. The current President of the United States openly disdains it and his first lie as President was when he took the oath of office.

                                Are you saying I am a "mole for everything (you) abhor" and are you certain that you know enough about me to make that conclusion?

                                "Making up (an) opinion" does not require the correct identification of the facts of reality (aka discovering the truth).



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                                • Posted by Rocky_Road 4 years, 6 months ago
                                  You are your own worst enemy.

                                  "...my decision not to fight communism in Southeast Asia. I was prepared to fight it somewhere else. And I did."

                                  This must be your:

                                  "...I lived in Utah for 15 years".

                                  The numbers almost add up.

                                  "The USA will soon surpass Argentina as a socialist nation, if it hasn't already. I choose not to return to fight either the government or religious fanatics in the streets."

                                  What fanatics? The Tea Party?

                                  Doesn't really matter...you have sworn not to 'return' to America to fight for it's survival. I saw this many posts ago, Your public pledge to abandon American values for your niche in Argentina is already inter-net history.

                                  "Are you saying I am a "mole for everything (you) abhor" and are you certain that you know enough about me to make that conclusion? "

                                  You are your own worst witness...and I rest my case.

                                  P.S. You might reconsider going 'head to head' with me...you are going to lose. But I hope that you ignore this sincere offer.
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                                  • LetsShrug replied 4 years, 6 months ago
                    • Posted by Rocky_Road 4 years, 6 months ago
                      I submit that Mormon bashing has NO place in this post...for all kinds of reasons.

                      You are an obvious atheist, and you are more than welcome to your belief, but try to focus on the ONE religion that is being discussed in the opening post.

                      Dragging in other religions that you don't subscribe to, just because you see the opportunity, tells us all that we need to know about you.
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                      • Posted by ShruginArgentina 4 years, 6 months ago
                        I referred to the Mormon belief in spirit babies and carnal bliss in the afterlife when I replied to commonsense's comment about sex and making spirit babies in heaven.

                        The point is that Muslims aren't the only one's who believe in sex as well as life after death.

                        How is accurately stating the beliefs of the LDS church Mormon bashing?

                        I did not ridicule their beliefs or suggest that Mormons be killed for them (as they were in the USA in the 1800's).

                        I think you could learn more about (and benefit from) me before you make such a sweeping judgement. I still have Mormon friends in Utah and always enjoy speaking with the Mormon missionaries in the area. My (Mormon) girlfriend from the 70's still lives in Salt Lake City and we are friends on social media.

                        This topic was started with the call to round up and exterminate European Muslims.

                        I think your indignation is seriously misplaced.

                        And in Galt's Gulch I suggest you speak for yourself rather than the group. (Use "I" and "me" instead of "us" and "we.") This is no place for collectivism.

                        And you still don't know enough about me to be sure if that's all you need to know.

                        More will be revealed.

                        I assure you.



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                        • Posted by Rocky_Road 4 years, 6 months ago
                          "And in Galt's Gulch I suggest you speak for yourself."

                          I always make sole claim for the thought, and willingly.

                          And I also claim that I have you 'pegged', and that I am not campaigning for support. I am comfortable in my depiction of you.

                          "More will be revealed. I assure you." is what I expect. So far, you haven't disappointed me.
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  • Posted by LetsShrug 4 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    At least you didn't say fanny pack. (Oh shit...you're not a fanny pack wearer are you? If so, I would NOT get on an elevator alone with you...just sayin'.)
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    • Posted by 4 years, 6 months ago
      Nope. No fanny pack.
      Have a friend who's fanny pack almost got him killed. Very dumb idea, fanny packs.

      Hey, this thread is getting awfully long. Maybe I should start it over. I could use a movie theme and title it, "Throw Muslims from the Train" or sumpin' like dat!
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  • Posted by 4 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    So you have this picture in your mind of happy little girls trundling off to school all over Afghanistan with their Spongebob lunch boxes in tow. Is that right?
    God, I wish I was a used car salesman and you were in the market.
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  • Posted by MaxCasey 4 years, 6 months ago
    Just for those contemplating the "Muslim menace" as propagandized by the media. Odds of getting killed by a Muslim extreemist/Terroris, 1 in 20 million. Odds of getting hit by lightning, roughly 1 in a million, Odds of being killed in a car wreck, 1 in 20,000. Odds of being the victim of a violent crime by a street thug in parts of Detroit, Chicago, Houston and other places in the US? Between 1 in 6 and 1 and 20.

    The moral of the story is that statistically speaking, there isn't much of a Muslim problem in the US, and my bet is that this would extrapolate similarly to Europe as well.

    Though I would like to point out that the "murderous muslims" still killed a man, with household items and not a gun, sooo pooh pooh on the idea that if we get rid of guns, the violence stops...
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