EU Report: ISIS Has Smuggled WMD Materials into Europe

Posted by $ nickursis 9 years, 4 months ago to Government
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Although this is not strickly Objectivist, it is something we should be aware of. It basicallyy is saying the EU is incompetent, and since we know our government is equally or worse, this is something that may warrent attention. They found 6 "middle eastern" men 20 miles into the US with stainless steel cylinders in backpacks. Gee, what do you do with those? I'm leaning towards profiling...


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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Well, there are a lot of arguments against leaving your casualties behind, some may not be dead, and those that are KIA, will be rifled and give some intelligence to the enemy, and most importantly, honor. I am not so sure that our military today teaches all that. I have 2 sons in the Army and when I visit, they do not speak well of their leadership or senior staff.
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  • Posted by johnpe1 9 years, 4 months ago
    how does Israel stay safe? . they use profiling and interviewing
    and thorough research. . passionate research. -- j
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  • Posted by Herb7734 9 years, 4 months ago
    Aw, c'mon. They're probably just soup containers. You know how hungry you get on a trip.
    News such as this merely creates more frustration to any rational person. Did you hear the President's speech? The same old crap warmed over to fit the occasion. Nothing of substance will be done so long as he is in office.
    After San Bernadino, there can be no doubt that the USA is a target for more atrocity. That's why it does no good to attack the spider's web. You must kill the spider
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  • Posted by $ blarman 9 years, 4 months ago
    Maybe after something like this goes off Europe will recognize the true threat of the militant ideology which is Islam and how utterly incompatible it is with freedom and Western civilization. I don't see any change in our nation, however, until a non-Democrat occupies the White House. Our current administration wants to see the Muslims spread and win. There is no other explanation for their actions.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 9 years, 4 months ago
    WMD materials? Don't worry.
    All those hordes of warrior-aged young men strolling into Europe without families will dispose of all of that.
    Nothing to see here unless you want to risk being called racist.
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  • Posted by wiggys 9 years, 4 months ago
    governments love to work on solving mysteries. if the know that this wmd's stuff is real why don't they just cut of the head of the snake i.e. like destroying the source saudi arabia. they are the finances paying for all of the weapons used by isis and now paying for the scientists who are dam sure not arabs who are making this stuff. finding the wmd's will only prove they are doing the job of finding stuff, but the arabs will learn how to circumvent for the next shipment. governments do not want this situation to end. gives them something to do.
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  • Posted by term2 9 years, 4 months ago
    Whats the matter with private citizens "profiling"? Other than being politically incorrect, its a way to quickly and easily put people into categories when you dont have time to analyze each and every person. Its not perfect, and one might incorrectly categorize a black youth with jeans hanging off his ass- BUT when there are thousands of people surrounding you, there is just no time to be perfectly accurate.

    As to Muslims, given that they all seem to go along with the Koran, which says violence against non believers is OK (or they wouldnt be muslims), I am very likely to be suspicious that at any time they might decide to eliminate me for my reluctance to believe in their faith. Therefore, bringing them into our country particularly in an en-masse way is inviting trouble. I think its up to the muslims to disavow that part of the Koran and distance themselves from the terrorists. Until they do that, I would support a ban on importing muslims into the US.

    Freedom of religion doesnt mean freedom to use religion as a reason to kill me.
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  • Posted by term2 9 years, 4 months ago
    They hate Trump when he says to stop muslim immigration until the government figures out w"whats going on".

    BUT, our government let in the two muslim terrorists that just killed off the people in San Bernardino. They let in the ones that blew up the world trade center in New York. Obviously the current method of keeping terrorist killers out of the country HASNT WORKED !!

    Since most of the terrorists come from the muslim population, and we have been unsuccessful at weeding out the terrorists from the so-called "moderate" muslims who dont do violence, but subscribe to the Koran which DOES promote violence against the "non-believers" (translation US)- Maybe the solution IS to keep muslims from coming into the USA until we figure out how to make the distinction (or the muslims themselves take the violent part of their Koran OUT)
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Full Circle. But not circular reasoning. It's why good units go to great lengths never to leave anyone even their dead behind. The careerist would leave live POWs, live WIA, and dead of course KIA and then expect the next unit they SEND in to give full measure.

    Instead the next unit may just hole up, construct an imaginary 'walk through the assigned area,' extract and give that report. Minimizing risk for they have no faith in the the rear area support system and no reason to risk ...anything includiing having to stand in parade where the careerist REMF gets the medals having risked nothing. i cannot speak for the current generation....I somehow doubt things have changed since 1970 .

    Where I learned that lesson? Heinlein's lecture i Starship Troopers. In real life I found it to be accurate and truthful and very objective.

    And when the tour was done we went home only to be hounded with pleas for money to some unit organization after the organization had abandoned us when and where it counted.
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I would say that for some dude to get across country in the 60's was the equivalent of what happened in Ca. Just shows how the government creature is too stupid to be trusted with our safety.
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Reminds me of Heinlein's lecture in Starship Trooper, where they ask how many prisoners of war were enough to fight over. They had a discussion where limits were placed and numbers thrown, but ultimately the answer was one. While the WMD idea is disturbing, the mere fact that this is a known thing just illustrates the total ineptitude in the entire apparatus. Coloring it with rhetoric and bombast just compounds the crime.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 4 months ago
    I wanted to stick the subject after a few response to say this is nothing new.

    In the sixties a writer for Parade magazine the Sunday newspaper supplement donned a Russian Army Colonel's full uniform and bag in hand hitch hiked across the entire USA. In the bag was a contraption he had made with all sorts of nuclear warning stickers. His cover was very thin. Car broke down and he's hitch hiking to the nearest airport.

    The miyth of safety behind the barrier of Pacific and Atlantic Oceans was stronger but it's still in effect buttressed by PC and the fear of being called racist or profiler or whatever...

    Referring; to another post about San Bernadino I get multiple packages every month delivered and I frequent strange places that speak for the Constitution. But if someone profiled that into a call to the police I'd invite them in for coffee.

    Fact is I'm in the same ethnic cultural group as Timothy McVeigh and if you are looking for a Euro-American with propensity or at least no antipathy or abhorrence to violence I might be worth looking at. Add working knowledge and experienced in methodology and tactical skills using provided or kitchen made devices... I'm high on the list. But since i don't look like a camel jockey... pr if I mentioned in passing a preference for voting Democrat...or listening to Streisand etc. etc. etc. no one would take a second look.

    Profiling is built on percentages but to cross that witnesses make lousy witnesses. A decent profile takes that into account. No profile takes nothing into account. Chances are very high the local police in every area I've lived have me on their list already. I say that because I've been asked to help out more than once.

    My answer would have been scuba diving...

    And then I would produce my dive card.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    i thought you would like that. The minds of careerists are strangely similar to the minds of any politician. Defining something like that more precisely might go like this. Civilians are going to get killed in large numbers and perhaps in another country or if conditions are right around the world.

    The objections seem invariably from those who suddenly realize the battle field is not 10,000 miles away but right here. Whether it's delivered by the jet streams or by some looney tunes is immaterial.

    Running a recon team of five to six people I thought of three as to many and four as mass.
    It's all relative unless there is some quote where some one has tried to pin it down to say 15,500 or 537.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    WMD has a specific meaning in the realm of NBC or CBN or ABC Nuclear, Biological, Chemical, Chemical, Biological, Nuclear and earlier Atomic, Biological, Chemical. Weapons of Mass Destruction

    FBI version These are weapons that have a relatively large-scale impact on people, property, and/or infrastructure.

    No one says it but the inference is large masses of people not limited to military by virtue of it' uncontrolability other than by weather prediction. Therefore any plant or animal kingdom life can be killed or threatened. No specific numbers or quantities are mentioned. Given a somewhat enclosed area such as a football stadium or the Chamber of the House of Representatives which can seat the entire membership of congress, leadership of the executive branch and Supreme Court a good hyperbaric explosion could be counted in that way. LBJ could have been counted as WMD for the KIA rate in in the Vietnam War if time and distance factors were stretched a bit.

    JP 3-40 sets this out in as much detail as they care to use. Joint Publication

    The U.S. military refers to WMD as: Chemical, biological, radiological, or nuclear weapons capable of a high order of destruction or causing mass casualties and exclude the means of transporting or propelling the weapon where such means is a separable and divisible part from the weapon.
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Weird, I clicked on link and it worked. I am not familiar with them, but they look to be a right sided media outlet. If what you say is accurate, then there is something really strange going on, in that a binary explosive on a plane would seem to be "WMD" unless the term "mass" has some number associated. These goobers should be looking for anything that can be used. If that is the facts, no wonder they had so much death in Paris.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 4 months ago
    Link doesn't work and pjmedia not accessible through Google search either nor are the other sources.

    So...Comment. The WMD listed are chemical and biological two of the three. Physics was mentioned.

    You should be aware that since 2003 Chemical and Biological forms of WMD have been deemed not WMD by the PC tribunals of the left. Only nuclear and then only in certain carefully descried forms and maybe not then.

    At least that's how the mantra goes.
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