NY sheriff encourages carrying firearms

Posted by johnpe1 9 years, 5 months ago to Culture
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2 hours north of NYC, this county sheriff advises that
the good guys carry their guns. . Is This Wise? -- j
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  • Posted by $ jlc 9 years, 5 months ago
    The quote concerning 'we pay the police to protect us' is the key to the matter. People believe that because we have a police department (a) they are immediately saved and (b) the police intuitively know who the 'good guy' is.

    Neither of these statements reflect reality, so if you can carry, you should do so.

    Jan
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  • Posted by $ jlc 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    This is a human fallibility, jdg. If you have a weapon and are stunned by the situation and do not use it, that is because we live in a peaceful society and are not trained to react. But it is still better than not having the weapon, because if you had that extra cup of coffee that morning and happen to be alert, reaching into your pocket and pulling out a gun is a lot more effective than throwing a wad of used kleenex at the terrorists.

    Jan
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  • Posted by jchristyatty 9 years, 5 months ago
    Yes indeed. My life is the most important possession I have...without it means "game over". Can't risk that. Even with the substantially unlikely scenario that I might be involved in a criminal act of mass murder, I must take responsibility for my own defense. If actually involved in such a scenario, I have realistically a few seconds to respond to the threat scenario. In that few seconds, no one is going to save me, no one is going to arrive to protect me....government, police protection, in those few seconds, is irrelevant. You just have to face facts....A is A, things are what they are. Someone is attempting to kill you and/or the one's you love and value and the last/first line of defense is me. Be vigilant, be prepared and be situationally aware. It may not save your life, but it's the best chance you have to survive and it beats the hell out of standing there totally defensless and wishing you had been prepared. However, if you choose to be armed, you must take responsibility for that choice and learn, train and practice. I practice at least twice a month, dry fire and at the range... and I burn up a lot of ammo. Skill with a firearm is a depreciating skill. I can't immagine being in a gunfight but the first rule of being in a gun fight is to bring a gun....and know how to use it.
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  • Posted by $ Suzanne43 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes, they do. She wants no one to own a gun. That's not going to work. Only law abiding citizens will be without them.
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  • Posted by Joseph23006 9 years, 5 months ago
    Good advice for the times we live in. We know that we cannot trust this President or his administration to keep us safe anymore if they are not willing to admit the danger, identify the enemy, and actually take steps to do anything about it!
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  • Posted by $ jdg 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It is, if the good guys are prepared to recognize and react when there is danger to them.

    But I know people who would just stand there like a deer in the headlights. If they carried anything the bad guys would just take it away. They're better off without, at least until they go through some kind of awakening.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    True but there's nothing said about carrying. Plain old shopping bag will do fine. Bottle of spray ammonia fresh receipt... hey I was just walking home when this dude tried to mug me....

    Only problem is lethality. The advantage to lethal is no one to prevent a different story.
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  • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I do not believe that the second amendment was intended to only apply to state militias. If it had been it would have referenced the states, not the people.
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  • Posted by wmiranda 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The crime rate actually went down, not for tourist but for residents, and there are many cases in which senior citizens defended themselves against break ins. In the Zimmerman/Martin case, Zimmerman turned out to be somewhat of an a**hole for a person. However, as the actual facts later revealed Martin was beating the hell out of Zimmerman. At my age, I couldn't take a beating like that and I would have shot the assailant a lot earlier than Zimmerman did. I've heard the comment that it's better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
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  • Posted by strugatsky 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It is completely her right if she chooses to be a defenseless victim. The problem is that those people do everything they can to make me a defenseless victim as well.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    What does your state law say. Second Amendment used to be for people in the military specifically State militias in some way. That is the only mechanism where the Federal Government has a right granted. The Supreme Court recently disconnected the two clauses admitting the right to defend oneself with no weapons restrictions mentioned. Why? because the 9th and 10th Amendment didn't give them that right or that power. However what your state has on the books only takes the form of rights granted by the citizens of your state.

    Obama is a dictator pure and simple...but he has no right to even discuss the subject beyond that of the military application.

    I'd like to see a show of hands and cites and sources concerning the state level and then see how that might be affected by the same law that affected the same sex marriage ruling - the full faith and credit clause.

    We already know that 'unlike Nixon' Obama IS a crook. I said that tongue in both cheeks at once.

    What about the 50 governors?
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  • Posted by strugatsky 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Careful. When you use a gun, including lethally, for self protection, you have the protection of the 2nd Amendment (to varying degrees, depending on circumstances and the audience). Knives and especially home-made lethal concoctions have no such protections.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 9 years, 5 months ago
    This sheriff has it right. Although it may be far too rational for general acceptance.
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  • Posted by bsmith51 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    For some people - often younger siblings - being a victim is their learned, life-long, manipulative way to get what they want from others.
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  • Posted by letfreedomring10 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Why do WE need a permit if it is our right to carry? A permit is nothing more than a tax. . . EX. You know how to drive right? Then why need a license to drive?
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Florida had a problem with tourists being mugged and held up at gunpoint some years ago. The finding was the criminal types knew the chances were high a Floridian had a weapon and zero chance for the tourist.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Plenty of weapons that don't require a permit or any training and are just as deadly or even worse. Household common products in spray bottles for one.
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  • Posted by nsnelson 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I understand. We should not have to ask permission to equip ourselves with efficient tools for self-defense. We are pushing through the legal channels for less gun-control here in Texas. Still have a long ways to go. In the mean time, I'd rather carry legally.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Some would say, me for instance, we are already there. Else how do you explain replacing 'probable cause' with 'suspicion of''?
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Suicide is her choice. The follow on question is why should anyone police officer or anyone else risk their lives to someone who has announced they wish to die? Not worth the risk.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I seriously doubt a mugger will know about your permit should one mug you.
    I have a permit and a pocket pistol tucked in a holster that looks kinda like a wallet.
    I have moved my actual wallet from my right pocket to my left.
    Surprise!
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  • Posted by wmiranda 9 years, 5 months ago
    Those people were wise enough to move or live two hours north of NYC, so it seems they would be wise enough to carry their CCW. I live in a high tourism area in Florida and I've been very laxed in the last few years as it relates to carrying. I'm rethinking my habits and adjusting my attitude on daily CCW.
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  • Posted by $ Suzanne43 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Let's hope so. I have a neighbor who said that she couldn't pull a gun on anyone wishing to do her harm. With that type of mindset, we have a long way to go.
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  • Posted by edweaver 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I think I know what you are getting at but I would argue that it is the individuals responsibility to protect themselves, not the job of the government. If it were the job of government we end up with a police state. Of course that is the direction we are headed.
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