I agree. Helping ISLAM is self defeating. I think that discrimmination against Muslims is a perfectly justifiable position to take given their crazy religion

omg. group think, term!

its hard to "get rid of mulsims" in the USA now that they are here, but I do have a problem with them hiding in plain sight as citizens and then busting out and killing people. I dont know what to do about it on a national level, but I am very reluctant to hire or help muslims in any way.

I agree 100% with you. ISLAM is a viiolent intolerant set of beliefs. Allowing syrian refugees to come to the USA is like inviting Hitler to live next door because he needs asylum.

I'll let the below Ben Franklin quote speak for itself.

Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

"I think it is particularly important to point out that radical muslims are only able to carry out their evil acts because of the tacit support they receive from moderate muslims, which means (on personal level, not a government level) that they are guilty by association. "- THAT IS A VERY GOOD ANALYSIS. The problem the muslims have is that their religion ISLAM is violent down to its core. Kill the Infidels. There is no such thing as moderation when that is one of the tenets of the religion. That part of the religion needs to be removed, OR there IS war between the west and ISLAM.

Thanks for the link; I enjoyed it.
Here's my problem with the concept of "moderate" Muslims:
http://muslimfact.com/bm/terror-in-th...
From: By Don Boys, Ph.D. Published Nov 17, 2004

"al-Taqiyya:
deception; the islamic word for concealing or disguising one’s beliefs, convictions, ideas, feelings, opinions, and/or strategies.

It is impossible to understand Islam and Muslims by listening to their protestations against terror and their proclamations of patriotism for America. Usually, it is wise and fair to give people the benefit of the doubt but when it comes to national safety and the future of America, we had better look twice, even thrice at Muslim patriotism. Why? Because Islam permits lying! It is called “Al-taqiyya.” One Muslim said that Al-taqiyya means dissimulation then he expanded it to diplomacy but he should have gone further to deception. Now some Muslims who do not follow the Koran are as faithful Americans as any of us, but the problem is, we cannot know."

I'm as charitable as the next guy, but given the above, and that the Qur'an and Hadith command the faithful to subdue or "smite at the necks" of the infidel, knowing is important.
As the world moves on, Islam is locked firmly in place and increasingly marginalized. Taught that every single word of the Qur'an and the Hadith are the direct, unassailable words of Allah and Muhammad, respectively, not one word can be even suggested for change or interpretation without risk of a death sentence for apostasy. But until Islam goes through a reformation, there is no hope for its adherents ever living without suspicion in the civilized world.

All muslims are required to convert, enslave, or murder infidels. I'm an infidel, therefore all muslims are a threat to me and mine. ALL muslims.

And what would be wrong if the government were to treat Muslims with suspicion? The government already treats with suspicion persons that are committed to the violent overthrow of the government, such as communists, Obama, oh, sorry, strike that, replace it with "right wing Constitutionalists" - why not Muslims, who are in fact committed to the violent overthrow of the US Constitution and replacement of it with Sharia?

and you lost a point. who do I kill today?!

Perhaps, but look at probability and I know which one's I'm going to focus on.

Aside from progressive politicians, that is. ;)

"discuss how Islam and the West can co-exist."

They can't. They never have and never will because they are founded upon competing ideologies. And they aren't going to change their ideology. The only way this confrontation ends is either when Western Civilization is subjugated by Islam, or when Western Civilization finally has had enough and obliterates Islam entirely. I really don't see any other outcome.

We can either stand up for freedom and human rights, or we can ignore the fight until it is decided for us by some nutjob who comes into our place of business with his wife and then proceeds to shoot everyone up while filming it all to make a jihad video.

Great, thanks!

I agree, there is no difference between foreign or domestic believers in Islam if that is what you are saying.

The real politics of the Cold War

I agree

I will try to get her to come in and respond to your comments

My take on the video is she was talking about people, not government but maybe I misinterpreted her comments. I think you summed this up very well.

I agree PC doesn't work and we are in WW III but from my studies of Islam, I do not see that there is an option for co-existence. The Koran allows for co-existence until the believers are in large enough numbers to be in control. In fact it encourages getting along until they are powerful enough at which time they are to convert everyone to Islam or kill all infidels. I agree with Dale's comments. In no way do I want us to become a police state but I will never turn my back on a believer in Islam, ever. But that is just me.

I watched this video again based on your comment because when I viewed it I thought she was basically saying there is no such thing as a Moderate Muslim. Even after I listened again that was my take on it, which I agree with. I really thought she was saying the same thing that you just stated Zen but maybe I misinterpreted this video. Can you tell me what I missed?

Ed

someone took a point away from you. gah!

did you take a point away from Dale? at first reaction it bothered me as well. She has many other videos which are very funny and she is sharp as a tack. we probably do not agree on some things what's new LOL

she is a great comedienne and I assure you can lead any O discussion :)

I am not sure she is capable of leading the conversation but "we" do need to drop the PC approach and discuss how Islam and the West can co-exist. This is WW III but we haven't recognized it yet. "They" need to address the issue of their obligation to convert or kill all non-believers and "We" need to establish the boundary of our faith in the solution they offer. Otherwise, one side will have to prevail by slaughtering the other. Until we put this out in the open without the fear of hurting someone's feelings we will have a gorilla war that will continue to escalate.