Another Bitcoin site bites the dust

Posted by richrobinson 10 years, 2 months ago to The Gulch: General
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I actually started looking into bitcoin as an investment about a month ago. It looked like a viable option. Now I wonder...what next


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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Depends on the circumstances. One can often make a friend with the Scotch. Not so easy with the .45. But if they are determined to be an enemy, then I'm right there with you.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    My .45ACP trumps your single malt, but maybe we could both enjoy a barleywine ale or a coffee stout and the single malt as dessert ;^)
    Lagavulin 10yr is about $25 (750ml) here in Cambodia.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Because their politicians? And that answers both questions - how and why.

    Certainly not because they're economists. I don't think there's an economist in the whole bunch.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 2 months ago
    Again, from an economic perspective, value is only pertinent as it relates to trade. It has utility in feeding your body, it has no economic value in doing so. Please use the proper terms, otherwise we cannot have a meaningful interchange of ideas.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 2 months ago
    NO. This is where you need to study economics.

    Wealth is the sum of value. Value is determined by the traders desires for goods.

    When one trader brings a good to a trade, and a second trader brings their own goods, each must value the goods of the other more than their own goods otherwise the trade will not occur (why would I trade something that I own for something that is less valuable to me?). Thus each party must place a higher value on the items of the other than on the items that they themselves own.

    So prior to the transaction each party has goods of let us say a value of 1. Total wealth of 2. After the trade each party feels that they got 1.1 value in exchange for their 1 that they traded. 2 x 1.1 = 2.2, wealth has increased.

    Notice that I did not use money here at all.

    Basic Austrian economics.
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  • Posted by EngineerJ 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You appear to have read a lot of books on economics. Can you tell me how and why the Government is double booking revenue. But this is off the original topic.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Ah, but economics systems are not closed, nor are they fixed. So an increase in wages mandated by the government, without an increase of like proportion in productivity, will lead to either increased prices, decreased labor, or most likely some of both. Thus, for those still employed, yes, they basically will. The problem is that there will be fewer employed.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Well, you keep demonstrating here that your economic theory is lacking. You might want to read some Mises or Hayek sometime.

    Present an economics problem here and I'll give you the answer. I gave you one, but will repeat it here: How can wealth increase when the two parties that bring something to a trade have not changed the physical properties of what they have traded?
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The floating dollar means that it changes in value relative to other currencies, not that it changes over time. Changes over time are called inflation/deflation and are only a function of the money supply in relation to the overall economic activity.
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  • Posted by EngineerJ 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    After the trade someone says that the dollar is worth less, the goods are then worth more!
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Let me pose a different situation to you.

    How can wealth increase if the goods that two people bring to a trade do not physically change?
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You're mixing up terms. Value only has context in the sense that it can be traded. My body cannot trade a meal for something else (well, actually it does, but let's not go there).

    There is utility in the food. It is only valuable if I choose to trade it for something else.
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  • Posted by EngineerJ 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    As a store of value, as people change the value of money the value of the stored money decreases. The government wants a 40 percent increase in the minimum wage therefore the stored value of an hours work in now down in the range of 40%. The dollars of that old hour will not buy the products at the new value.
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  • Posted by EngineerJ 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes it does. They like to buy things with the value of todays dollar and pay with the value of tomorrows dollar!
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  • Posted by EngineerJ 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Apply your engineering background and do the math and watch where you getting your economics. My son has an MBA and I have proved several things he was taught to be wrong.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Money is just a means of exchange, and a store of value. It does not have to have intrinsic value (precious metal), merely that it represents value to the parties that use it.
    Shells, beads, heck, even colored washers (from my personal experience) have been used as "money." The key to an enduring money is that it be rather stabile in quantity, only increasing in relative proportion to the economic activity in which it circulates. Even fiat money can have this characteristic (such as Bitcoin) so long as it is maintained. The problem with the dollar is that this has been violated, and violated aggressively as of late.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes, but that has nothing to do with a floating dollar, per se. However, in the past couple of years, the Fed has intentionally kept interest rates lower than they would otherwise have been, AND have been purchasing the very securities that they use to manipulate the money supply. This is new and very troubling, and likely points to the imminent collapse of the dollar.
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  • Posted by EngineerJ 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Do you value a meal? Your body does. What is the value of that meal after you have eaten it?
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  • Posted by EngineerJ 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I can see you are a philosophy major. You are trying to put enough variables into the equation so that you can use the philosophers out. "The just did not do it right". Try doing the math and science approach which gives definitive answers.
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