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  • Posted by $ ObjectiveAnalyst 4 years, 11 months ago
    Hello WBD,
    Man made global warming...
    "...is always man-made if the data are adjusted to fit the theory."
    That about says it all .. don't you think?
    Respectfully,
    O.A.
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    • Posted by 4 years, 11 months ago
      Yes. If there isn't a crisis then the money dries up. Global warming research is the largest and best funded branch of science. Taxpayer funded of course. They have to keep the crisis alive by any means available.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 4 years, 10 months ago
    Thank you WBD:
    I am no longer going to argue with anyone about Global Warming but merely forward this article to them and tell them to shut up.
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  • Posted by 4 years, 10 months ago
    I think I saw this line in an online article from the Australian:

    SOCIALISM MASQUERADING AS ENVIRONMENTALISM

    Four words explain it so well.
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  • Posted by dbhalling 4 years, 10 months ago
    I know a lot of smart people who were initially suckered by the AGW (anthropomorphic global warming) crowd. I never was because it was clear that the proponents were using it as an excuse to destroy freedom and it was clear from the beginning that they lied about the data. It also reminded me of the nonsense of the ozone hole and the nuclear winter scares.
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  • Posted by $ jlc 4 years, 10 months ago
    I started researching GW in about 2002 - with the purpose of 'being able to discuss it with some people I knew'. I assumed that GW was correct initially, but after about 2 hours of looking into the details I began to doubt it was so. After about 2 more days of research, it was obviously a fraud.

    I have no inherent expertise (or even interest) in GW. Since it took so little of my life to research GW assertions and discover that they were fraudulent, why now, when there are the Climategate papers (which MichaelA may be referring to) and Bjorn's work on the scientific table as well, does anyone believe it? (I do not ask why people support it; different question.)

    The link seems to be kaput WDB. Good thread, though.

    Jan
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    • Posted by strugatsky 4 years, 10 months ago
      Jan, I too was confused with seeing otherwise intelligent people proclaiming to believe in human caused global warming. Let's automatically discount the leftist brainwashed morons that embrace everything that the Party orders; I'm talking about the intelligent ones. I am currently on a trip to Israel and can't help observing this embrace. Now, Israelis, for the most part, are not idiots and certainly do not march to the Party's command (if they did, they would be marching in at least 360 directions, as there are at least that many parties). So I did a bit of searching, using the old and proven formula - follow the money. What I'm finding out is that Israel's number one export is new technology, and what better way is there to sell new technology then to help old technology to become obsolete. If the Europeans and the Americans are willing to destroy their infrastructure, Israel is only too happy to sell them the tools. So, they have to play lip service to global warming schemes, while selling new, and often unneeded, technology to those willing to buy. Smart businessmen.
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      • Posted by $ jlc 4 years, 10 months ago
        So, what it seems you are saying is that because 'people support it' (to sell new tech) they pay lip-service to it as if they believe it. That would mean that at least they accurately perceive reality...but they consider the buyer 'fair game'. This is not the sort of commercial transaction that I like, as I am a win-win person, but it makes it a question of commercial ethics rather than intelligent analysis of data.

        This would not apply to the really intelligent liberals around me, however. I know them well and they are, to humanly varying degrees, ethical and honest. These people actually believe the party line.

        I am obscurely heartened by the thought that some or the GW folks are simply feathering their own nests and understand that what is being said about GW is hype.

        Jan
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        • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 4 years, 10 months ago
          I have seen and not rarely the most intelligent and caring people imaginable get taken the cleaners more times than I could relate. Starting with my own parents...intelligence and common sense are, it seems, rarely partners. My parents let people stick it to them....and they never learned. they were however expert at denial.
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          • Posted by $ jlc 4 years, 10 months ago
            +10 (if I could)..+1 in reality

            I am always studying these people, my good and liberal friends, and trying to figure out why they behave as they do. (Giggle - they are probably doing the same to me!) I hope I can come up with some better solution than the one you have cited: Common sense sorts separately from IQ. I fear that I may not.

            So, beginning from your theorem, do you think that this is genetic or environmental? Thought experiment: If everyone who voted had to serve in the military (a la Starship Troopers), would that make a difference? (I am not proposing this, just mentally playing with the variables.)

            Jan
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        • Posted by strugatsky 4 years, 10 months ago
          We consider it just fine to sell cigarettes, hard booze or whatever else some may see as a vice, knowing that to a certain point these vices shorten the life of those that choose to take them. This is the same. Entire nations are committing mass suicides, albaight slowly. The Israelis (and no doubt many others) are profiting on others willing stupidity. They don't make a model of philosophical honesty, but also can't really blame them. As to the liberals that truly believe what has been shown to be falsification, lies and fabricated data, I would question their intelligence, at least in the sciences. It is quite common for people to be intelligent in some areas, while completely lacking it in others. The brain is very compartmentalized.
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      • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 4 years, 10 months ago
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        • Posted by strugatsky 4 years, 10 months ago
          Michael, I don't follow the point you're trying to make with the linked article?
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          • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 4 years, 10 months ago
            Trying to provide an additional source of information I thought looked non partisan and straight forward and which to a simple sailor like me who just looks at the sky for the weather made some sense.

            But..to be fear I now have three zeros....
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            • Posted by strugatsky 4 years, 10 months ago
              The article that you are referring to takes it as an axiom that human caused global warming is upon us. When there are so many cases of documented intentional falsification of data to fit a specific agenda, how can any of these supposedly scholarly papers be worth even the time to read them if they do not address the false data, cheating and lying that their foundations are built on. When you build a building, no matter how beautiful is the design, if the foundation is crumbling, it is better to start over, hopefully with honest providers.
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  • Posted by Owlsrayne 4 years, 10 months ago
    Of late, I don't trust NASA. Not on global warming, or the Martian mission photo's. I really believe there are annomallies that can't be explained as just rocks. It is sad that NASA has become a big lie generating machine. It time to dismantle it and let private enterprise do the work.
    Oh yes, alien megastructure around the star that was recently found and blowen-off as a swarm of comets round it. No dice, I think it is a Ring World ala Larry Niven.
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  • Posted by ProfChuck 4 years, 10 months ago
    AGW is 10 percent science and 90 percent politics. There are too many real phenomena that the climate models fail to take into consideration. There are at least two reasons for this, it's hard to do and it doesn't comply with the desired narrative. AGW supports the argument for increased government control. Never mind that governments are consistently incompetent when it comes to managing complex problems. Never mind that things like the relationship between atmospheric carbon dioxide and vegetation growth and subsequent carbon sequestration are ignored. Real science tries to take everything into account. To the extent that the AGW zealots fail to do this they are pseudo scientific impostors.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 4 years, 10 months ago
    I am thinking of a common human thing related to this GISS science fiction that PC EcoNazis want man-made climate change doubters to go to jail for.
    The common human thing I speak of is that a liar has to tell more lies to support a lie.
    It happens all the time in courtrooms.
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  • Posted by wiggys 4 years, 10 months ago
    unfortunately it is irrelevant how much of the global warming information is shown to be factual lies the gov't representatives such as 0 will never acknowledge they have no knowledge them selves and will continue on as if the truth did not exist. something about control has a hold on them.
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  • Posted by Lucky 4 years, 11 months ago
    This has been going on for years.
    The way it is described now is data 'homogenization', it sounds scientific but is a cover for changing data to suit a purpose. Often original data are lost, destroyed, or confidential. Methods used for changing data are seldom revealed.
    There are several explanations for the scam, the new religion, do-goodism, etc, but if government grant money was cut, it would all fade into insignificance.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 4 years, 10 months ago
      That comment besides a thumb brings up a blast from the past point that bears repeating continuously.

      The originator of the global warming not only warned against such excesses but warned against there use for monetary gain.

      About five years ago the original European researchers who provided data indicating global warming was going to be a problem publicly admitted they had skewed the figures in order to maintain a steady flow of funding through grants.

      i heard it on PBS of all places. But the moochers have never given up and continued to to loot the public treasury with no sign of admitting any guilt.

      The political left uses it as a way of maintaining control and numbers of 'the faithful' for this secular religion and monetary income to their temple first named Democrat, then Liberal, then Socialist and now Progressives.

      And they are still in debt...so what else is new. It took the threat of public embarrassment to get them to pay a bill to my very small business by filing in small claims court. The money due came by overnight FedEx.

      If grants were cuts they would fade ergo sum grants will be increased.

      Unless they are publicly embarrassed which judging from the reactions of Dodd and Gore would require a code of ethics they don't possess or handcuffs and leg irons for the evening news...some of it anyway.
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  • Posted by wmiranda 4 years, 10 months ago
    Not surprised nor shocked. Afterall, according to climate change fanatics, global warming is the cause of everything bad from terrorism to ingrown toe nails.
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