Homeless explosion

Posted by $ Abaco 10 years, 6 months ago to Economics
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The link is just one, quick random sample I found. I want to ask my fellow Gulchers something. Do you notice an explosion in the homeless population in your region lately? Around the Sacto area in in NorCal it has absolutely exploded this year. It has always been present here. But, now they are everywhere. I live in a nice community but even last night I found several hobos camping along a nearby office building in an upscale location. Both of my offices are surrounded. One of the offices is next to an old Arby's that just closed so no there's nothing by the office - just a closed eatery and a big park. It's actually nice and quiet with lots of trees, but the hobos have come in, bigtime. They're just infiltrating the entire region, spilling into every neighborhood. My young son has grown accustomed to transient hobo camps along the river by our house. It's just part of his world. I never saw that when I was kid.

Anybody else seeing this? We've got little commercial zones with artisan-type shops and on Saturday morning they're lined with people in sleeping bags. I've never seen it like this... The news media has simply not mentioned a peep, either.


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  • Posted by $ 10 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You know, I appreciate your points. But, it all makes me think. Is it as though more people are just becoming addicts? Are fewer now conscious of their actions? How easy is it really for mentally ill people to get admitted and really helped long-term? From what I've seen in our region/community - extremely tough. Families suffer endlessly with the requirement to try to treat and care for their mentally ill because the system won't help them. Just 10 days ago my son and I were almost carjacked by such an individual in our neighborhood. (That is a story worth telling on its own!) Are FEWER respecting public housing? See where I'm going with this? I don't really disagree with your premises. The question for me is "Why is it getting worse?" And, if it's not an economic indicator we surely at least have correlation. I don't have the answers, I admit. I just have been shocked at what seems like a recent massive increase in homeless around here.
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  • Posted by edweaver 10 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I'm not convinced it is much of an indicator of a lagging economy. Much of the homeless are addicted to something. They are not allowed in housing because they do not respect and take care of it, mostly because they are not conscious of their actions. (The below link is from Madison WI.) I'm sure there are some that are not mentally capable as well but most of them can be admitted to facilities for care. The addicted are capable when sober and incapable when intoxicated which leaves them choosing their life. They cannot be forced into care nor do they respect public housing so they are kick out. They simply congregate where they get the best treatment, i.e. handouts.

    http://www.channel3000.com/news/issue...
    The thing about the feces problem is the bathrooms in the building were open at the time. The city even went so far to provide porta pots outside and they still crapped on the sidewalks or hallways.

    Of course this is my perspective from what I see. Maybe others see something else.
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  • Posted by $ 10 years, 6 months ago
    Very interesting comments from you guys. Thanks.

    I assume that hobos are jobless, and base my thoughts about them on that. Many of them are really socially challenged, and many are nuts. In general, a growth in their ranks can be seen as a lagging economic indicator.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 10 years, 6 months ago
    Use the example of 2008. The term home owners? Not one home owner was in trouble. Not one. Home buyers - and those who chose to buy their homes for the second and third time through mortgages and those who chose to believe a home was wealth when wealth is only that which is in excess of current need - all these home buyers - especially those who were not credit worthy to begin with other than by a meaningless government edict - all of them were in deep trouble. Coupled with a few other factors mostly contrived the home buyers became the home less. For the non credit worthy it was business as usual. for the non thinkers it was not wealth in excess of need it was the sole roof over their heads and that of their families and thats where the excess come from. Former home owners who willingly exchanged their families well being for a new pickup or a trip to Hawaii or season tickets to the the local coliseum.

    When the government statists went one step further with the major corporatists as partners and changed the rules of banking and how they valued the repossessed housing also went under for lack of cash on hand their depositors went under or ended up owing another bank.

    Their cars, trucks, and now used up valueless tickets to the big games, their tail gate partying all disappeared Along with what was once a paid for house.

    Sure it was a scam all along. Wrangel just gave himself a huge pay raise still owing taxes. Dodd became a CEO at a million plus a year, that list is 537 people long but add the bonus baby bosses of Freddie Mac And Fannie Mae.

    And the people? They voted for their oppressors one more time then twice more then three times more and are going to do it again.

    Now people don't do a Steinbeck rendition of the Depression they just traipse from welfare office to food banks and some do look for work. No problem buy an air ticket to Beijing.

    Sorry....no more hay carts. - but take heart ...you can't vote for them one more time. The odds are certainly longer than Power Ball you'll get something for your last two dollars.
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  • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 10 years, 6 months ago
    It is an empirical fact that people become homeless in the community in which they previously had homes. Contrary to Ed Weaver (at first blush) these are not people seeking the best handouts, but just people who used to be your neighbors, but who now are not...

    That being so, it remains that homelessness is the natural state. Homes are exceptions that we take for granted.

    We glorify the great Nineteenth Century for its Laissez Faire, but read about the consequences of the Panic of 1837 and the Panic of 1857. Even before then, in the 1700s, as a consequence of the Revolution, people traveled by foot and camped for the night, going from town to town looking for work. No one called them "homeless" or worried about them... or what their sons thought of them... It just was. And it was the normal state of affairs.

    In Ragged Dick a "Horatio Alger" story, our young hero is lucky enough to have a haycart to sleep in, while his pals sleep in doorways. Ragged Dick is 12. Laissez faire.
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  • Posted by edweaver 10 years, 6 months ago
    I have not seen it but I live in a small farm community and may not notice if our population doubled. But I understand Madison WI which is 35 miles from me has a problem. But then again it is a progressive community that caters to them so it is no surprise.

    I suspect the population of homeless has grown somewhat but I think some of the perceived growth is simply a migration to the best handouts. I have nothing other than logic to make that statement though. It will be interesting to see what others have to say.
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