Homeless explosion

Posted by $ Abaco 8 years, 4 months ago to Economics
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The link is just one, quick random sample I found. I want to ask my fellow Gulchers something. Do you notice an explosion in the homeless population in your region lately? Around the Sacto area in in NorCal it has absolutely exploded this year. It has always been present here. But, now they are everywhere. I live in a nice community but even last night I found several hobos camping along a nearby office building in an upscale location. Both of my offices are surrounded. One of the offices is next to an old Arby's that just closed so no there's nothing by the office - just a closed eatery and a big park. It's actually nice and quiet with lots of trees, but the hobos have come in, bigtime. They're just infiltrating the entire region, spilling into every neighborhood. My young son has grown accustomed to transient hobo camps along the river by our house. It's just part of his world. I never saw that when I was kid.

Anybody else seeing this? We've got little commercial zones with artisan-type shops and on Saturday morning they're lined with people in sleeping bags. I've never seen it like this... The news media has simply not mentioned a peep, either.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 4 months ago
    Use the example of 2008. The term home owners? Not one home owner was in trouble. Not one. Home buyers - and those who chose to buy their homes for the second and third time through mortgages and those who chose to believe a home was wealth when wealth is only that which is in excess of current need - all these home buyers - especially those who were not credit worthy to begin with other than by a meaningless government edict - all of them were in deep trouble. Coupled with a few other factors mostly contrived the home buyers became the home less. For the non credit worthy it was business as usual. for the non thinkers it was not wealth in excess of need it was the sole roof over their heads and that of their families and thats where the excess come from. Former home owners who willingly exchanged their families well being for a new pickup or a trip to Hawaii or season tickets to the the local coliseum.

    When the government statists went one step further with the major corporatists as partners and changed the rules of banking and how they valued the repossessed housing also went under for lack of cash on hand their depositors went under or ended up owing another bank.

    Their cars, trucks, and now used up valueless tickets to the big games, their tail gate partying all disappeared Along with what was once a paid for house.

    Sure it was a scam all along. Wrangel just gave himself a huge pay raise still owing taxes. Dodd became a CEO at a million plus a year, that list is 537 people long but add the bonus baby bosses of Freddie Mac And Fannie Mae.

    And the people? They voted for their oppressors one more time then twice more then three times more and are going to do it again.

    Now people don't do a Steinbeck rendition of the Depression they just traipse from welfare office to food banks and some do look for work. No problem buy an air ticket to Beijing.

    Sorry....no more hay carts. - but take heart ...you can't vote for them one more time. The odds are certainly longer than Power Ball you'll get something for your last two dollars.
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  • Posted by $ Radio_Randy 8 years, 4 months ago
    I have a homeless son. His wife threw him out (long story) and we took him in, for a short time, becoming one of the many couples who let their kid(s) move back home. The "plan", like with everyone else, was to let him get "back on his feet".
    After a few weeks, he found a hopeful alternative and moved out, with the knowledge that he would not be allowed to come back, a second time.
    When his new situation fell through, he promptly moved into a homeless shelter in the nearest big city, 70 miles away.
    My suggestion is that many of these homeless are "kids" who, otherwise, would be living with their parents. Those parents have wised up and said "NO"...hence, the homeless explosion.
    Those, along with the souls who fell prey to the government's "American Dream Team" are probably why the apparent explosion of this particular population of people.
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    • Posted by $ jlc 8 years, 4 months ago
      Interesting. Thanks for the story. Since you had the compassion to let him come home once and the resolve to not let him come home a second time, I have hope that one day he may wake up and smell his life burning - and chose to do something about it.

      Jan
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      • Posted by $ Radio_Randy 8 years, 4 months ago
        Thanks, Jan.

        The toughest part is watching his mother's distress as we work through the hard parts. She's come around to working with me on it, but it's like quitting smoking...it only takes a momentary weakness to throw it all away.

        We have a long time friend who is seriously enabling her son, to the point of nearly destroying her great marriage, and have been using it as an example of what can go wrong, if you're not strong.
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    • Posted by $ 8 years, 4 months ago
      Wow Randy. Thanks for sharing. You have my sympathies.

      I have a disabled son (10-yrs old) and if I can just get him independent it will be a fantastic victory for the family. It's on my mind all the time. I hope your son gets his life together...
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      • Posted by $ Radio_Randy 8 years, 4 months ago
        Our son suffered from childhood epilepsy (I have two siblings with the affliction) and it was a very tense time, until he grew out of it.

        I wish you and your family the best.
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      • Posted by wiggys 8 years, 4 months ago
        Abaco,

        It is all over the country, i get emails each week from another do gooder asking for a donation of sleeping bags. We have a nation with citizens who can't fins jobs so the best thing the illustrious one can do is bring in more people who have no knowledge of the 21st century and give them what they should be giving to our own citizens.
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    • Posted by edweaver 8 years, 4 months ago
      Sounds like your son is homeless by choice or maybe lack of good choices??
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      • Posted by $ Radio_Randy 8 years, 4 months ago
        More like a lack of "right" choices, on his part.

        If I were a TV producer, I could base a sitcom on his previous life and title it either "The Park", or "Me, My Wife and Irene".

        Hopefully, this new "independence" will be what he needs to get his life straight, again.
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  • Posted by straightlinelogic 8 years, 4 months ago
    Bernard Goldberg wrote a book in 2002, Biased, and devoted a whole chapter to explaining how homelessness only becomes a news story during Republican administrations. Nothing has changed since 2002. Elect a Republican governor in CA or a Republican president next year and you'll see a lot of stories about homelessness.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 4 months ago
      Since Republicans are part of the single party system, controlled by RINOs and nothing more than play actors or lap dogs of the left why did you exclude their masters?

      We're seeing those stories now and I see No Republican President. The term is meaningless they are nothing more than the right wing of the left as the former Democrats are left wing of the left of the Socialist Party.

      As a bit of history their flag was designated back in the fifties as one blood red banner with a single white star in the center.

      Gotta get out of the dark ages and join the real world it's the 21st century and you are stuck i the past.
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  • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 8 years, 4 months ago
    It is an empirical fact that people become homeless in the community in which they previously had homes. Contrary to Ed Weaver (at first blush) these are not people seeking the best handouts, but just people who used to be your neighbors, but who now are not...

    That being so, it remains that homelessness is the natural state. Homes are exceptions that we take for granted.

    We glorify the great Nineteenth Century for its Laissez Faire, but read about the consequences of the Panic of 1837 and the Panic of 1857. Even before then, in the 1700s, as a consequence of the Revolution, people traveled by foot and camped for the night, going from town to town looking for work. No one called them "homeless" or worried about them... or what their sons thought of them... It just was. And it was the normal state of affairs.

    In Ragged Dick a "Horatio Alger" story, our young hero is lucky enough to have a haycart to sleep in, while his pals sleep in doorways. Ragged Dick is 12. Laissez faire.
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    • Posted by $ 8 years, 4 months ago
      "Homes are exceptions that we take for granted." Interesting. I always think of shelter as a basic necessity - perhaps taking it for granted.

      Would Ragged Dick be suitable for children, say 10-12 years old?
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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 4 months ago
    Maybe these people have just "gulched" and have given up trying to make it in our society now. I dont really blame them. Most of them beg at the streetcorners in Vegas and stupid people give them money. They just come back day after day and get free money from people who feel guilty for their successes. Its dumb.
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  • Posted by $ jlc 8 years, 4 months ago
    There are some homeless people living in trailers or huts in the hills above me. They are generally drug users of some sort or other, but do not seem to make trouble; the exception is the Vietnam vet, who is kinda looked after by the neighborhood in general.

    Jan
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  • Posted by johnpe1 8 years, 4 months ago
    Abaco, our "culture" seems to be spawning more and more
    dependents rather than producers. . I see this as a sure sign
    of the decline of the nation. . for many, charity is heartfelt
    and warm;;; for others, it is a political ploy. . between them,
    we are destroying the u.s. ... IMHO. -- j
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  • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 8 years, 4 months ago
    In Phoenix homelessness has always been visible but, yes, of late, I see many more people holding signs, sleeping on bus benches, and panhandling outside of stores today than in recent years. Oddly enough some even ask for peso's.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 4 months ago
      They come across the border each day? Like in Tucson? I like the one's with the changing signs. Vietnam Vet, Kosovo vet, Iraq vet, Afghanistan vet and just plain Hungry Veteran no matter how old they get. Pike Street Market in Seattle has a regular population with schedules and three blocks away is where they park their cars before returning home to the 'burbs.'
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  • Posted by jimslag 8 years, 4 months ago
    The article starts talking about Portland and several other places that are liberal bastions. They foster the homeless. They provide food and shelter and thereby promote the homeless to go to places like that. I am not against the homeless, most, I believe, are noble people who just found themselves in financial trouble and could not keep their homes or apartments. I know plenty of people who are right on the cusp of losing their home. I feel for them and there are plenty of resources available to help them for those that look for it. Some, a few, denigrate the whole situation for everybody but the security stuff does not solve the problem and in cases actually escalates the problem. Like Ed Weaver, I live in a small agricultural town but I am further south in New Mexico, so I don't see much of a problem. Occasionally I see someone at the corner by WalMart with a sign but those are few and far between. I am not saying there is no problem, just that it is selective where the worst cases are.
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  • Posted by GaryL 8 years, 4 months ago
    Funny how these homeless seem to migrate to where they are most accepted. Same goes for other minorities and those from some religious sects. I see towns in my local area with homeless folks and the very next town over, just 10 to 12 miles away with none. I see a high concentration of certain religious sects in one town and none in the next town over. I see homeless individuals who are homeless by choice and do not care to have it any other way and refuse any help other than pan handling donations. Being late November here in the NY Catskills and the weather soon to turn I suspect all of the self imposed homeless around here are en-route to warmer climates and those who do remain will take shelter in government provided places where they are located. It is not a nice place here when the temps go very far below zero in the coming months.
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  • Posted by $ 8 years, 4 months ago
    Very interesting comments from you guys. Thanks.

    I assume that hobos are jobless, and base my thoughts about them on that. Many of them are really socially challenged, and many are nuts. In general, a growth in their ranks can be seen as a lagging economic indicator.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 4 months ago
      WTF does socially challenged mean. Is it PC? Never mind I speak English not Political Crap.

      However Port Townsend WA on it's outskirts had a hobo camp. There was a well worn trail from there to the Welfare Office, the Food Bank and any place that was passing out anything.

      I did the census in 2000 and covered that area. No one else would go near it.

      They all split so I went to the offices mentioned and they refused to cooperate even knowing their budgets rest on the census so I went to a neighbor and found out the number was 12 to 15 and one of them was named Velvet on his good days. So they weren't jobless they worked for the government as moochers in some cases in others were as suggested 'nuts.'
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      • Posted by $ 8 years, 4 months ago
        No, it's not PC. Do you have any knowledge of neurology? People with neurological problems (via head injury, drug abuse, child abuse) are usually socially challenged.

        I'm the least political person you'd ever meet. I don't even know how to speak "Political Crap" (which is obviously a proper noun?). I don't even vote.

        Hell, I work with engineers who are socially challenged. If you don't work with any of us, feel fortunate.
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        • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 4 months ago
          I retract however as you said do you have 'any knowledge of neurology, none except the kind referred to by Lakoff and that among a myriad of other subjects. Sometimes it's a good idea to explain such statement...just a little. I confess my education is not in the sciences but the pseudo sciences Political Science and the somewhat more acceptable of History and Philosophy. Now Military Science I could claim you might find a good many in that arena needing your specialty.

          But I never sunk to the depths of Socilogy
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          • Posted by $ 8 years, 4 months ago
            Unfortunately, I have been thrust into the area of neurology, biosciences, etc. What I've learned has chilled me. There are a lot of people out there who really struggle with day-to-day social interactions. No joke - many actually are engineers (the ones who do well). I can spot an adult with autism in a heartbeat. Sad stuff. I even have some involvement with the issue of football head injuries (another thread on its own). See the movie trailer for "Concussion". I have been in touch with the doctor in that story. Very interesting story - and, just yesterday, there was a full-page article on the back of the Wall Street Journal on it. It was a great read, even for people who are just football fans.

            The one thing, Micheal, I have learned more than anything else - as an Objectivist, engineer, father of a child with autism...The most valuable, precious thing to a man, by far, is what's between his ears. It's also more fragile than many know.

            Happy Turkey Day. I'm between basting as I type this.. Do like me. Drink good wine. Eat too much!
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            • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 4 months ago
              And while you were writing that advice I was off doing exactly as it suggested. Draft not vino but good.

              I work closely with a child that has cerebral palsy Age seven and 1/2 in Size Child 3-4. She came with a cleft palate. But in her own fashion she has worked out how to communicate basics. Some take weeks and months and years. She learns the same new thing over and over until something clicks and then remembers but has only a sound or a gesture. I am Uncle Bear to the rest of the family That took one year. When I arrive she brings me one of hers and does that for no one else. So..she is Osita.

              Sometimes even hardened soldiers can learn to be somebody else.
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    • Posted by edweaver 8 years, 4 months ago
      I'm not convinced it is much of an indicator of a lagging economy. Much of the homeless are addicted to something. They are not allowed in housing because they do not respect and take care of it, mostly because they are not conscious of their actions. (The below link is from Madison WI.) I'm sure there are some that are not mentally capable as well but most of them can be admitted to facilities for care. The addicted are capable when sober and incapable when intoxicated which leaves them choosing their life. They cannot be forced into care nor do they respect public housing so they are kick out. They simply congregate where they get the best treatment, i.e. handouts.

      http://www.channel3000.com/news/issue...
      The thing about the feces problem is the bathrooms in the building were open at the time. The city even went so far to provide porta pots outside and they still crapped on the sidewalks or hallways.

      Of course this is my perspective from what I see. Maybe others see something else.
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      • Posted by $ 8 years, 4 months ago
        You know, I appreciate your points. But, it all makes me think. Is it as though more people are just becoming addicts? Are fewer now conscious of their actions? How easy is it really for mentally ill people to get admitted and really helped long-term? From what I've seen in our region/community - extremely tough. Families suffer endlessly with the requirement to try to treat and care for their mentally ill because the system won't help them. Just 10 days ago my son and I were almost carjacked by such an individual in our neighborhood. (That is a story worth telling on its own!) Are FEWER respecting public housing? See where I'm going with this? I don't really disagree with your premises. The question for me is "Why is it getting worse?" And, if it's not an economic indicator we surely at least have correlation. I don't have the answers, I admit. I just have been shocked at what seems like a recent massive increase in homeless around here.
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        • Posted by blackswan 8 years, 4 months ago
          I imagine that no one here went through the changes that took place during the industrial revolution 150+ years ago, where economies of scale were upending the entire working world. Dickens wrote about some of it. Today, we're going through another shift, with declining economies of scale brought on by technology. You can see that with McDonalds introducing robots to offset the $15/hour crowd. You can also see that with the modern "giant" companies generating the same revenue, but employing 10% of the workers, and the workers are much more skilled than in the past. In grad school, I remember reading about an unemployed Youngstown, Ohio steel worker. His father had been a welder for 30+ years, and he figured that he'd follow in his father's footsteps, so he also became a welder. The only problem was that the company had introduced robots that could weld better than him or his father, and do it faster as well. The lesson I took from that case was that you can't look to the past to predict your future (except in a general sense). You must keep your eyes and ears open, especially to changes in technology. If that welder had learned how to program the welding robot, his outcome would have been much brighter. In fact, with the job market in decline, because of shrinking economies of scale, entrepreneurship will be the coin of the realm going forward. Many can't or won't make the change, so expect more hobos, rather than less.
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      • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 4 months ago
        What percentage range are addicted and define something. I'm a former addict to nicotine. Does that count I was never homeless...
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        • Posted by edweaver 8 years, 4 months ago
          I have no facts on a percentage, only observations. As I stated, others may have differing observations. I was addicted to nicotine as well and was not homeless but nicotine does not render a person helpless. I was speaking of drugs that render someone in capable of taking care of themselves.
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          • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 4 months ago
            How about start at the beginning with that drug given to school kids...Ritalin? For students who cause problems for teachers. Or the one given to teachers causing lifelong problems for students?

            After all is said in done isn't that precisely where they get the idea drugs are the way to go for problems? the magic cureall. I'd start with getting rid of teachers who are to lazy or otherwise unable to do their jobs and schools that are drug stores.

            Are more people becoming addicts? Sure. Percentage of a growing population that is dumbed down chemically.
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            • Posted by $ 8 years, 4 months ago
              "Are more people becoming addicts? Sure. Percentage of a growing population that is dumbed down chemically." There is a horrible epidemic of this.

              Many of these childhood drugs are just poorly disguised amphetamines.
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            • Posted by blackswan 8 years, 4 months ago
              I was a teacher for 5 years, and all I have to say is, don't blame the teacher. First of all, exactly what are schools there for? What is the product? I've yet to hear a coherent definition. One thing I do know. The schools, as currently configured, aren't there to TEACH. It's all about the little knuckleheads' egos, not about learning. So, leave the teachers out of it. If they attempt to really teach, they end up in trouble, both from the administration and from the knuckleheads.
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              • Posted by $ 8 years, 4 months ago
                My impression (with two kids in school) is that schools are there to hire people and provide pensions.
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                • Posted by edweaver 8 years, 4 months ago
                  You may be correct, at least for the most part. For some teachers it is about teaching but my concern is the subject matter. I reviewed a social studies book recently and believe it should no longer be taught in schools. Global warming is here and fossil fuels are bad is the last thing my step-daughter came home to share. Considering the books are published by National Geographic I should not have been surprised.
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              • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 4 months ago
                And do what to effect change? or just knuckle under take their 30 pieces and go home to enjoy June, July, and August.

                One does not solve a problem by disregarding an integral part that is failing. That applies to parents, taxpayers as well.

                Without the votes for school budgets, the NEA and the Department of Education would have no hold, no leverage and no position. Leave the teachers out of it? NO I put them dead in the X Ring.
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                • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 4 months ago
                  If situation permits do what I did. Had my offspring GED at age 15 and attend JC. The summer she received her BS in pre-med and began a Masters Program her highschool classmates graduated 12th grade. Two joined her in the same university. The instructors commented in disbelief they had all attended the same high school. The kid finished MA then went to Med School and became Doctor of
                  Medicine about the time her high school classmates finished A BA or were in a Masters program. They had a lot of catch up to do. They went to work with a Masters mine went on to second doctorate in Psychiatry and now specializes in anorexia, bulemia and the like. She was a graduate of that affliction herself age 12 to 14 and still managed to learn enough to GED at age 15.

                  Had we left her in a public school she would have probably ened up ....a teacher or a social worker.
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            • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 4 months ago
              Well I guess I had better pour a little gas on the fire. Some decades ago the Federal Government paid for those care programs and facilities. The STATES demanded that as a State function - took the responsibility and the federal funding and facilities and then used the money for something else and that is when we started seeing more of these people on the streets.

              I'm sure some of those State politicians moved to Washington DC and said...look at those states pissing away that money and moved to have it canceled.
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  • Posted by edweaver 8 years, 4 months ago
    I have not seen it but I live in a small farm community and may not notice if our population doubled. But I understand Madison WI which is 35 miles from me has a problem. But then again it is a progressive community that caters to them so it is no surprise.

    I suspect the population of homeless has grown somewhat but I think some of the perceived growth is simply a migration to the best handouts. I have nothing other than logic to make that statement though. It will be interesting to see what others have to say.
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  • Posted by $ 8 years, 4 months ago
    Just this morning...It's 32 degrees out. I pulled my pickup into its parking spot and noticed a small mound under a blanket next to the fence, right in front of my truck. I got out and thought, "My god...is that a person?" I observed to notice...yep, they're curled under the blanket, laying on some leaves, and I can see them breathing. Brutal conditions for just sleeping out in the open. I honestly didn't know what to do. They appeared to be asleep. It's f*&ing everywhere around here now. Not good.
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  • Posted by JoleneMartens1982 8 years, 4 months ago
    Someone once said to me, " In this economy we are merely one major illness away from homelessness." It was said very monotonously like speaking of the weather. I don't know what bothered me more the harsh reality of the statement or its resolute delivery.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 4 months ago
      Saw that condition coming and made sure I owned my own home and I don't pay rent to the government on it every year. it's also my lifeboat and escape mechanism....

      Yo ho ho, the wind blows free,
      Oh for the life on the rolling sea!
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 8 years, 4 months ago
    Not exactly the climate for homeless around me at the oceans side here in New England, However, I am sure the cities are ripe...places I stay shy of.
    If we account for the liberal progressive financial climate here then it's more than possible our homeless have move on to your area for the warmth.
    Thankful I haven't ended up in that situation myself.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 4 months ago
    Easy to understand why the homeless have exploded. In case any of The Gulch don't know, see Michael A.'s post. When it is better to be homeless and lazy than to work at a minimal job and be productive -- then what are the expectations?
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