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Islam vs. Christianity

Posted by dbhalling 9 years, 7 months ago to Politics
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Is there really a big difference?

“Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword” (Matthew 10:34). Or they could re-tell the parable of conflict resolution, which Jesus ends this way: “But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me” (Luke 19:27).

One of the big accomplishments of the United States was separation of Church and State or "ethical philosophy and political philosophy", unfortunately many christians and many environmentalists want to break that wall down.


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  • Posted by teri-amborn 9 years, 7 months ago
    Perhaps you are context dropping and concept swapping. Jesus used the numbers in this particular instance to put the Pharisees on mental trial.

    It helps to have some background in Judaism to understand this remarkable parable. They (the Pharisees) knew that they had only one job (that Jesus was actually doing) and they were plotting and planning against Jesus. They were about to bury their "talent" (so-to-speak).
    It's actually a poke in the eye to the "ruling class" of the day.
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  • Posted by wmiranda 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You have to learn more about the history of the Christian church and Islam. The Bible is the most vetted book in the world. Written by various authors, not the invention of one mad man who pleasurized the new and old testament then twisted it to add his own version. The Koran was created as a book, after Muhammad died. We don't know if all the suras were collected or included in the Koran. He was illiterate and much of the stylish writing was the work of the scribe, not the actual words he said. Today, much of the muslim population is not arabic, yet they have to memorize and recite the prayers in arabic not understanding or knowing what they are saying. When the suras were finally collected to assemble the Koran, they were assembled by the size of the sura (short or long) and not by any timeline or thought of the message. Therefore, it has been misinterpreted by as many as have been able to claim understanding.
    The gospel of Matthew was written, probably Matthew or someone close to him. The gospel of Mark was more than likely written by Mark, The gospel of Luke was written by Luke himself as well as book of Acts. The gospel of John was written by a writer close to him. Finally, where you got that Jesus couldn't read or write is really fantastic. He was a rabbi who often taught and read scriptures in the synagogues.
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  • Posted by Lucky 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Caution, temporary thread hijack-
    as an admirer of both Ben Carson and Orson Scott Card, perhaps ycandrea is not all bad.
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  • Posted by KCLiberty 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    This could have all been fixed if Jesus had learned to read or write. At least Muslims can actually read the teachings of their prophet. But, instead, Christians are left with anonymous writings, written 70 years after Jesus supposedly died. These books are then assembled and "published" by a council of politicians and priests, hen translated into Greek, then to Latin, etc.... The Koran has some differences depending on translations as well, but they are based on the same original text.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Faith is what gets you through the dark nights when you have no facts to rely on. Sometimes there is a combination. On a dark night I had faith in the fact of my team and my M16 the same as during daylight hours. Why? I cleaned it and tested it myself.
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  • Posted by $ Radio_Randy 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    If we wish to reduce the discussion to semantics...you are likely correct..."clause" may have been the wrong word to use.
    My profession is technology, not English grammar. I'll admit the possibility of a poor choice of wording, but my thoughts were correct, from my understanding of our country's history.
    But, then, I did attend public schools.
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  • Posted by KCLiberty 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Talk about a broad brush. It is true that most of the "founders" were Christian. However, some of the most important, Thomas Paine (the intellectual source of the revolution) Jefferson, Washington, Franklin, Adams, were not. (Like me they were "culturally Christian", due to an overwhelming majority). And...there is no such thing as a clause on the separation of church and state, that comes from a Jefferson writing leading to the first amendment.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    BANG! You just nailed the difference between Islam and Christianity at least as it's malpracticed in the USA. Maybe a little Mon to sat backstabbing but certainly no beheading.

    Religion is for people who are afraid of the dark....but for some it's a needful thing.
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  • Posted by mccannon01 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Carney shill, haha! OK, we're way off topic here, but I have to share a funny with you. Sometimes as I get on the treadmill on Sunday mornings I find myself channel hopping with the clicker and cruise through various TV preachers as I'm looking for something to watch. The thought that always comes into my head is from a movie segment that spoofed TV "tent" preachers where the preacher says loudly "The Lord knows the depths of a mans heart and" [a bit more softly] "the lord knows the depths of a mans pocket" [a little more softly] "so dig deep into those pockets and" [softly] "give to the Lord, give to the Lord, give to the Lord." [then very softly] "Quiet money only, folks, I'm allergic to the noisy stuff".

    My apologies to those who follow the evangelical TV people. I'm sure many of them are quite sincere and very nice people, but I can't get past the spoof enough to actually give any of them a good listen. At least today, good humor can be had regarding most Christians without fear of beheading.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That must have been directed at me. Or DBH. He's too intellectual to draw such ire and fire so it must have been me. Funny part is I've been in my calm, reasoning, methodolgical state throughout these proceedings.

    Different belief systems. Sure but with the same roots just different routes. One of the main winners was Salladdin - A Kurd. But the whole entire base reason was economic nonetheless. You are arguing excuses for just another economic war.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That's the one! Exactly! That's right the wife of whats his name. My mom before she died ran into her at one of the big Palm Springs area everything for sale imaginable gatherings and stated the trowel evaluation along an distinct nose in the air attitude. Once a carny shill always a carny shill. That was one ugggggillly face.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Lesson Number Three Gather up while it's still available manuals, doctrine, treatise, technical publications, historical publications bearing in mind possession of such will be illegal in the years to come. Start with copies of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution of the United States.

    The only country that was founded on an idea not by force. Not the only country to be sold out.

    If you have two big brass ones and not just hot whimpers and brown spotted diapers.

    Back to the anti secular progressive series. I finish what I start. Least I can do for perhaps the only group left in existence worth fighting for.

    Seig Me No Heils Comrade. The only party I serve is the Constitution.
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  • Posted by kevinw 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Faith is belief in something in the absence of proof.
    Confidence is based on judgement. Judgement can be based on faith or provable knowledge.Or a mix of the two.
    To interchange the two words is to destroy language and make communication... difficult, at best.

    Islamic suicide bombers have faith. A faith that guides their judgement, their confidence, and finally, their actions.How can you make any argument that they are wrong when their actions are rooted in their faith?

    I don't need to ask how you talk to god. I was raised with it, and while I know many fine religious individuals, (maybe now, another) I don't think I could stay polite during that conversation so I appreciate the offer... But I have no capacity for faith, I have my mind.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You may think of it that. way but they were left wingers replaced by left wingers. They served the party but what did that do for us? There is not one candidate that is not left wing in that they all, everyone, without exception support government over people.

    The one possible last chance the Republican version of Webb just resigned the race without having the balls t do as Webb did.

    The rest continue to support the left and there is no difference between left wing of the left and right wing of the left..

    You may call it socialist light if you wish as if that were something to be proud of supporting. i do not.

    Instead I return to the one true hope left to those who have drifted beyond the pale and reach of the Constitution and joined the secular progressives and that is the slender hope the US Military will remember their oath of office, declare martial law and take over the country in a 'legal' counter revolution against the enemies domestic instead of voting for them.

    Odds of that are very small. Why? Because you are not worth fighting for and never were.

    Odds are greater they will refuse to be used as left wing cannon fodder any more....and just take over. That along with the Constitution and their legal counter revolutionary stratus IS worth fighting for.

    Whether they give it back or not or institute a Heinlein qualification on voting and holding office remains to be seen.

    That is what you are voting for. IF the US Military allows it.

    Think the US Military is going to continue to wiling be sacrificed and fed into the grind of socialist wars without saying Fuck This Shit. No problem the draft can be turned on in an instant. There are all those newly discovered fascist college students to put in uniform in their place. If they allow it.

    Not a chance and then too think about the fledgling Protective Echelon coming along slowly building it's own infrastructure. Vote Left you vote for DOHS Diss-ing you big time as the Directorate of Internal State Security. If the US Military allows it.

    Still want to vote for the lesser of two evils? They all support that particular portion of evil every one of the Government Party candidates. If the US Military allows it.

    That's the power you are handing to someone like Hillary Clinton or Comrade Trump and the choice you force upon the US Military.

    Truism...Despots never take over they are handed the job of dictator by a willing electorate. If the US Military allows it.

    Did that cobra ever turn up in Florida? No...but his family are all running for office.

    And if they do allow it .....you are well and truly by your own choice ...fucked.

    Now they can pull the plug on me - and let's see if I'm still posting tomorrow.

    ISIS is the least of your worries. THe greatest danger you, this country and the rest of it ware facing can be found by looking in the mirror.

    So...in the time left I will turn my attention to conducting a class on what happens then what do we do......On the conduct of revolutions that could have been won with ballots and now have to be won with blood.

    Lesson Number one establish a series of safe havens outside the country and decide who can and who cannot be trusted. No revolution and not many counter revolutions were won without outside support.

    Lesson Number Two if you have any family or friends of family whose members belong to a select group of military retirees, veterans, or active duty members. Use them to continue what I have started. Chief among them are those charged with conducting such operations which are of necessity political in nature.

    They are by your own choice ....your only hope.
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  • Posted by XenokRoy 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I think the term faith and confidence are completely interchangeable. Based on that I will answer your question with a question.

    What do you need confidence for? If you have no faith/confidence a person does not act. I need faith/confidence in something because it gives me cause to act. If I have no faith or confidence in something I do not work towards that something as I have no belief in it.

    I view that question of why god in the same light as asking why do you need a professor of physics to learn about physics?

    My ultimate goal is to be like god based on my belief structure. Why would I not want a person with the skills I would like to learn to mentor and teach me?

    The next question you will likely lead to is how do you talk to god. Just so you know I wont go into that here, that is going to far into a spectrum of religion for this forum. If you would like to take it up in email or a phone call would love to further discuss. You can PM me here if interested.
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  • Posted by wmiranda 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Social groups, political parties and politicians, religions (yep, religions), families, etc., are tools of manipulation. Someone is always manipulating someone else. Psychology and psychiatry are sciences based entirely manipulation! That doesn't mean that the sole purpose of the group or intent of all individuals in the group is not pure in the original purpose and intent. Take the original question here: Islam v. Christianity. Do you really think that's not some form of manipulation? It was written to generate a long discussion in the Gulch. It did. I'm Christian, although I haven't always been one. But to me, even when I wasn't a Christian, comparing Islam to Christianity and stating they're the same, is like comparing an Atlas Shrugged Thompson administration and the Gulch, or Hank and Philip Rearden and stating they're all the same. I don't think so.

    The only similarity between Islam and Judaism or Christianity is that early in Islam, Muhammad pleasurized the old and new testament into his version to try to appeal to the "people of the book" to join him and convert to Islam. That's it. The "people of the book as well as many of his pagan tribe did not. Muhammad went bonkers worse than Wesley Mooch. The more violent Muhammad was, the more power he got, the more power, the more violent and so on. After 77 raids in which he personally participated in, he died after being poisoned. And so began the sectarian struggle within Islam. With that, I bow out of this topic.
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  • Posted by mccannon01 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Hah, I think I know who you are referring to. Tammy Fay Baker. She was the wife of the TV preacher that got caught either having an affair or embezzlement or something like that. Anyway in the news she looked like her makeup was applied with a trowel. Very comical with the Jimmy Hoffa joke, lmao.
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  • Posted by kevinw 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Really? You suppose a professional could help? I mean I know it's all my parents fault. You know? it's like, they were always there but never really there. Like. You know?

    OK, seriously, touche. But are you really going to deny that guilt is a major tool for religions/religious people to manipulate followers/family?
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  • Posted by kevinw 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    So, if you are capable of making a judgment like that, if you accept that that judgement can come from your human mind, as it must or no knowledge is possible, then what do you need faith for? What do you need god for?
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