How far down the wrong side of the bell-curve is the USA? Can the country turn itself around, and if so, how? Or, is the USA heading for an unrecoverable demise?
There can be no government under Anarchy, therefore no taxation. Under Anarchy, there are only 2 rules. 1. MYOB (Mind your own business) 2. The absolute right to say NO.
I think I like your comment, but I'm not sure what "humidity" has to do with it? Should that be "humanity" but autocorrect thought different?
Taxes are force-based. There is nothing in logic or morality which allows one certain group of people the right to take by force, from peaceful people, money to fund what the thieves believe is important. And yet, that is our system of taxation and government.
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You're probably right, but I'm going to go down fighting. Because if the lights do go out, Red China winds up the dominant power in the world, and once they win that position they may be able to hold onto it for thousands of years.
Michael For the most part, you are certainly correct. But, here comes the "however." History shows us that things change radically for no apparent previous reason. I call it "historical mutations." The only things truly predictable is that predictors will predict.
Mitch You are correct. My reasoning is as follows: Humanity is nowhere near mature enough to deal with Anarchy. It could happen in some fantasy future but certainly not within the foreseeable. I'm sure that there are thousands, perhaps millions of persons to whom Anarchy would work, but then, what about the remaining almost 7 billion? We, as well as untold millions have high ideals, but they are miniscule compared to those who wish to be uninvolved, who are evilly aggressive, and are of mixed premises. Perhaps an evolution of philosophy, a major catastrophe, or cataclysmic event will cause a shift toward reason, but then, perhaps not.
Wow, that is amazing. You are another whole group of people that I’ve heard exist but never have had the opportunity to speak to. So you really want a society without rules, laws or structure at all? I’m sorry to tell you that is not objectivism at all, that is anarchy. Ayn Rand was describing why these forms (or lack thereof) government is not in your best interest.
We need a judicial branch of the government, without it… I just take your stuff because I’m smarter and have more guns.
Seems to me that the term anarchy means different things to different people. I for one do not want anarchy due to that fact that no one will be able to conduct business in a constantly changing environment. You seem to be crossing anarchy with libertarianism, I don’t subscript to the libertarianism philosophy 100% ether, I agree with a lot but not all. I’m an objectionist, meaning I’m doing what is in my best interest, having a community in a state of anarchy is not in my best interest.
Anarchy is not a form of government but a lack of government; anarchy would lead to our enslavement or death. Without organization we can’t defend our boarders; without a small federal government, we don’t exist as a country. Anarchy is an excuse for martial law…
Ayn Rand rejected both libertarianism and anarchist, I agree as it seems like a fantasy land where we have no rules at all. Without the experience of having children, I might have agreed but wanting an environment where my children can grow up to their fullest potential is important to me. The best chance of that happening is a stable small government that provides only the basics like national security and due process.
"The presence of anarchy means I Must carry and be prepared to use a weapon at all times without benefit at times of surety but with the benefit of not being prosecuted." Actually, no, this is propaganda in support of the current, violent system. Did you miss the part of my comment wherein I described that, in anarchy, just as Ayn Rand said was ideal, security businesses and dispute resolution services would still exist, but payment for them would be voluntary?
Maybe you are one of the bad people who would try to form a government to impose your will on others, but I think there are a lot more good people who would stop you.
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Right now it feels more 'tired' than 'hopeful'. It is kinda like asking someone, "Are you the sort who pulls the bandage off in a series of painful jerks or in single agonizing tear?"
All of the above. The presence of anarchy means I Must carry and be prepared to use a weapon at all times without benefit at times of surety but with the benefit of not being prosecuted. No government means no government and that includes no vigilantes.
Gives people like me a clear and certain edge fo we will use any weapon available including forming a new government. Whose to stop us?
Is that your opinion or based on something found elsewhere? Either way personal conjecture, wishful thinking, tea leaf reading a great many of your claims demand some proofs...I'll be happy to see the explanations with cites and sources.
I hasten to add that personal knowledge based on a background in areas not all of us have examined, researched or accepted instruction in are just as valid a source of opinion as cites or sources from others. Although to be truthful I give no credence to the social science crowd and much more to the hard science groups depending on proven veracity. My own area of Political Science and History has taught me that much.
At what point does government lose it's legitimacy. Case in point . Refugees vs immigrants. As of today it's 26 a clear majority. 26 have withdrawn their consent to be governed on this issue.
Which leaves the government of Obama in peril as it's legitimacy has been repudiated by a clear vote of no confidence.
How many of the other states the remaining 24 are scheduled to receive refugees or immigrants?
How many of the minority states are not scheduled to receive any of the immigrants. How many are being economically blackmailed by the Obama Government? How many have been threatened and withstood those pressures?
How many of you trust, really trust, the Government to conduct a proper vetting or to follow some plan that puts those more immediately capable of passing a security check at the top of the list? If it's speed you want and security that's how you get it.
Or will Obamists say one thing and do another to retain power perhaps with more of care less Kerry's secret side deals and by the way. Wha this happening now this crisis has claimed the front pages from that crisis?
The best course of action is to follow the footsteps of the parliamentary governments. When the nation has no confidence - resign. Admit your failure and admit your shame. You've already committed political suicide.
Here's my test: Is what I'm doing in the long run pro life or pro death? If it is life, it is automatically good for everyone, but not necessarily done for the benefit of others.
I should be retired but don't have savings and don't have a buyer for the business so I keep working to support myself. It is not so bad because if did retire I wouldn't know what to do. could go on the dole I guess.
If we can avoid political disaster, I don't see the U.S. or the world collapsing at all. Technology is advancing at an exponential rate, and will soon lower the cost of living faster than the money-printers can raise it. The cost of communication and obtaining information has fallen to nearly zero, while access has increased greatly. Monopolies are being challenged and overthrown. (Examples, Uber vs. taxicabs and Bitcoin vs. national currencies.) Barring another world war, I think science and technology will help us win the battle for freedom.
Hi, Abaco I don't think it's over their head so much as it is something most of them choose not to look at. It's always easier to go with the flow than to think independently. Independent thinking is no longer encouraged in our society.
I am retired also and living on savings- certainly not interest on savings ! Its a very scary thing to see money printing taking away my savings before I can spend it. The politicians are the biggest crooks around. No wonder they wanted to get rid of Madoff so fast- they were afraid people might start seeing the similarity.
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1. MYOB (Mind your own business)
2. The absolute right to say NO.
Taxes are force-based. There is nothing in logic or morality which allows one certain group of people the right to take by force, from peaceful people, money to fund what the thieves believe is important. And yet, that is our system of taxation and government.
For the most part, you are certainly correct. But, here comes the "however." History shows us that things change radically for no apparent previous reason. I call it "historical mutations." The only things truly predictable is that predictors will predict.
You are correct. My reasoning is as follows: Humanity is nowhere near mature enough to deal with Anarchy. It could happen in some fantasy future but certainly not within the foreseeable. I'm sure that there are thousands, perhaps millions of persons to whom Anarchy would work, but then, what about the remaining almost 7 billion? We, as well as untold millions have high ideals, but they are miniscule compared to those who wish to be uninvolved, who are evilly aggressive, and are of mixed premises. Perhaps an evolution of philosophy, a major catastrophe, or cataclysmic event will cause a shift toward reason, but then, perhaps not.
We need a judicial branch of the government, without it… I just take your stuff because I’m smarter and have more guns.
Seems to me that the term anarchy means different things to different people. I for one do not want anarchy due to that fact that no one will be able to conduct business in a constantly changing environment. You seem to be crossing anarchy with libertarianism, I don’t subscript to the libertarianism philosophy 100% ether, I agree with a lot but not all. I’m an objectionist, meaning I’m doing what is in my best interest, having a community in a state of anarchy is not in my best interest.
Anarchy is not a form of government but a lack of government; anarchy would lead to our enslavement or death. Without organization we can’t defend our boarders; without a small federal government, we don’t exist as a country. Anarchy is an excuse for martial law…
Ayn Rand rejected both libertarianism and anarchist, I agree as it seems like a fantasy land where we have no rules at all. Without the experience of having children, I might have agreed but wanting an environment where my children can grow up to their fullest potential is important to me. The best chance of that happening is a stable small government that provides only the basics like national security and due process.
Mitch
Maybe you are one of the bad people who would try to form a government to impose your will on others, but I think there are a lot more good people who would stop you.
Jan
Jan
Gives people like me a clear and certain edge fo we will use any weapon available including forming a new government. Whose to stop us?
I hasten to add that personal knowledge based on a background in areas not all of us have examined, researched or accepted instruction in are just as valid a source of opinion as cites or sources from others. Although to be truthful I give no credence to the social science crowd and much more to the hard science groups depending on proven veracity. My own area of Political Science and History has taught me that much.
"I think is not the same as I know."
Which leaves the government of Obama in peril as it's legitimacy has been repudiated by a clear vote of no confidence.
How many of the other states the remaining 24 are scheduled to receive refugees or immigrants?
How many of the minority states are not scheduled to receive any of the immigrants. How many are being economically blackmailed by the Obama Government? How many have been threatened and withstood those pressures?
How many of you trust, really trust, the Government to conduct a proper vetting or to follow some plan that puts those more immediately capable of passing a security check at the top of the list? If it's speed you want and security that's how you get it.
Or will Obamists say one thing and do another to retain power perhaps with more of care less Kerry's secret side deals and by the way. Wha this happening now this crisis has claimed the front pages from that crisis?
The best course of action is to follow the footsteps of the parliamentary governments. When the nation has no confidence - resign. Admit your failure and admit your shame. You've already committed political suicide.
I don't think it's over their head so much as it is something most of them choose not to look at. It's always easier to go with the flow than to think independently. Independent thinking is no longer encouraged in our society.
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