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How far down are we?

Posted by Herb7734 9 years, 7 months ago to Philosophy
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How far down the wrong side of the bell-curve is the USA? Can the country turn itself around, and if so, how? Or, is the USA heading for an unrecoverable demise?

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  • Posted by wiggys 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    unrepairable maybe. but everybody throughout the world will only take US dollars so it does not matter about repairing it. if you go to any country in the world with US dollars the people there will accept it. if you come to the US from any country with the currency of that country nobody in the US will accept it.
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  • Posted by term2 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I think it will go slowly until something upsets the applecart and then there will be a series of steep declines and advancing government controls to keep people from escaping the ravages of socialism. Look to Venezuela for a preview of what will happen here.
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  • Posted by term2 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Time to do as is noted in ALONGSIDE NIGHT. An alternative society really that hides in plain sight until the socialist society collapses and cant fight it.
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  • Posted by term2 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Nobama has defecit spent us beyond the point of repair. The national debt is just too large to be paid back, and the US dollar is just unrepairable.
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  • Posted by term2 9 years, 7 months ago
    I think that the USA is feeling the effects of the terribly wrong philosophy thats been becoming stronger for the last nearly 100 years. I think that the majority of voting people are closet socialists, if not out and out socialists. If I am right about that, the decline will continue until the country is destitute and all the wealth has been spent. Only a real turnaround in philosophy can reverse this, and it will take a LONG time for that to play out. Certaiinly longer than I will live.
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  • Posted by wiggys 9 years, 7 months ago
    I really wonder if we are to far gone.
    Will we as a nation wake up after 0's reign of terror ends and will who ever succeeds him actually come to the realization that 0 has led the country down hill and they will really have to deal with the population of people like us.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 9 years, 7 months ago
    All old dino's life, I've heard of a historical precedent about what happens to a briefly golden civilization every 300 years.
    2015 - 1776 = 239, which should mean the USA getting old and acquiring (mental?) health problems that will eventually kill it, such as turning socialist among other things that should have been avoided.

    http://www.usdebtclock.org/
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  • Posted by richrobinson 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Most "revolutions" start with the middle class and not the poor. The more we get squeezed the more of us pay attention. Let's hope it's not too late.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    IF there is an anarchy event, then there will be martial law declared by the feds. imo, that will be the straw that pushes some states into taking control of their own fates. The feds will not be able to control those states short of civil war, and if a state like Texas is involved, the number of ex servicemen and hunters will prevail as they will constitute the state militia. Only a new technology will enable the fedgov to control that situation, and if they use it against one state militia, they will suffer an immediate attack on the fedgov by all other state militias of any size. It will be full blown civil war. This is why taking away the peoples' ability to defend themselves with firearms has been a top priority for the feds and the bankster puppeteers. This is why every rational person should own firearms and thousands of rounds of ammunition, and be trained and practice using them regularly.
    YOU ARE THE MILITIA.
    You are the last line of defense for liberty.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Exactly.
    I have seen the USA change so much in my lifetime that it is almost unimaginable. We have gone from a flag-waving, pledge of allegiance, patriotic, we are the very best country, to a pessimistic, politically correct, expect the worst country. All just in my lifetime.That leads me to believe that it is possible to turn things around if we have the will to do it. But the belief in entitlement is the thing that the young generation has which will stymie most attempts at creating a free society. They actually seem to equate freedom with dependency.
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  • Posted by richrobinson 9 years, 7 months ago
    I still like to hold out hope that we can come back from the abyss. The problem is that it would take strong leadership and a lot more people engaged in what is going on.
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  • Posted by Abaco 9 years, 7 months ago
    America's finished. I know many guys who are getting ready for WTSHTF. But, I don't think it will be an overnight collapse. I think the powers that be will continue to work hard to keep up this illusion to the 85%ers that everything's under control. But, it's not. We have people high up in our system who are working to destroy the country. It's important for them to keep up the façade. So, I fully expect a gradually-accelerating decay of our quality of life. Stupidity is working hand-in-hand with those who really hate America and western culture to ensure this. We'll most likely have a Paris-style terrorist attack here within the next year. Then, we'll let more of them in.

    Those of us here at the Gulch are the 15%ers. We get it. We see that something's wrong.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I was referring to the Human Race.
    Yes, we need a new age of reason. I don't see it down the road, but history has often taken strange twists and turns. One man out of billions changed the way we look at the universe, a handful turned Russia into a "worker's paradise." A cabal consisting of some brilliant men created the first almost free country.
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  • Posted by Zenphamy 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Herb, we're not a race. Whether this country survives depends on the return of reason and individual freedom.
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  • Posted by $ johnrobert2 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I think more like an avalanche. It destroys everything in its path until it stops. Even an avalanche which has been started to prevent a larger, more destructive one is a scary thing. And I don't see one on the horizon for us.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It's certainly a dilemma. The time factor can cause much ennui because why do anything if there'll be no effect for ***years? Of course, the answer starts with the old saw, "The journey of a thousand miles starts with one step."
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    As I finished "Don't mean a thing' in another thread I looked over and saw your post at the end of the right hand column of comments. What a fitting ending. Better than Triumph of Despair it's Have we hit bottom. so...you now have two points. Proof that reason and clarity are still alive and well.
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  • Posted by Mitch 9 years, 7 months ago
    In the past, I thought that we would need to hit bottom and clean house before we can turn the country around and head for more prosperity. Recently, I’ve changed my mind and I’m completely opposed to this now, never really wished but thought good might come from it after the initial pain.

    I started to pay attention to the people that want anarchy in the world, it’s a large list with some very scary people on it. I would even have to add our current President to that list due to his actions alone. The 99% (idiots) don’t want anarchy because it will clear the regulatory burden of small business; they want anarchy to knock you over your head and take what was once yours. The powerful elites what anarchy to take more of our freedoms way; remember Rob Emanuel “Don’t waste a serious crisis”. Our president is planning on importing 10,000 (I heard higher numbers, I believe they will be) Syrian refugees; only reason in the world you would do this after Paris is because you want anarchy. The list goes on and on… domestically and abroad.

    I’ve beginning to see and agree with the prepper community but from a knowledge stand point. How am I going to care for my loved ones when the SHTF. Collecting books on basic like field medical procedures, how to make alcohol, gunpowder and water filters (burning wood to make active charcoal). I think I need to start getting a little more serious about my list as I really think a trigger could make this really happen very soon.

    I have an uneasy feeling that freedom suffers initially until the pendulum swings back the other way in 10, 100 or 1000 years. I don’t think I’ll see the swing in my lifetime.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    How long did it take after Greece and Rome? Two thousand years. With todays weapons, will we survive as a race that long? Has all this happened before -- before Greece & Rome? Gives me goosebumps.
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