The military can defend us by closing the borders, putting all Muslims under surveillance and deporting any that fail some "test" that doesn't presently exist. This would isolate us from the rest of the world where Islamists have relocated. That is not the answer in my opinion. We must not be afraid of confronting Islam with charges of barbarism and demand that all Muslims agree that they must eradicate the tenets from their religion that commands that they kill the infidels. Short of this we face an outright war with a population of 1.6-1.8 billion worldwide. The threat is universal throughout Islam and what we are politely calling radicalization is nothing but activation (of course it is easy and a strong internet argument can do it).

Obama is the worst president ever. No wonder he needs so much secret service protection.

but, like BHO, doing nothing makes them sympathizers in fact. -- j
.

tribalism, eh? -- j
.

the puritans as husbands of unfaithful wives? . are the murderers
the wives? -- j
.

and, all this time, I thought that I was paying my military
to defend me. . they should be getting rid of -- that is, deterring
or blocking, stopping or killing -- the people who are actively,
credibly threatening us. . don't you think? -- j
.

I bet they would. political correctness be damned

well, if a thief stands on your front yard and tells you he is going to kill you, do you have to wait until he fires his weapon to shoot the bastard?

kind of sounds like the attitude of the germans relative to the jews. the extremist germans wanted to kill the jews; the moderates preferred to let the extremists kill them, and so the nazis flourished and did the job with few complaints among the germans.

You know, term2, that would make a good bumper sticker!
I wonder if CafePress would print it.

Splumb: I think you summed it up very well.
Thank you!

I am aware of those passages and that changes nothing..what is happening before us is islam today, textbook defined or otherwise. Todays islam kills men, women and children as a matter of practice in their own nations as well as anywhere it deems necessary on the world. They have rules and terms for governing non-muslims. A huge flaw in islam is its lack of centralized theology, that every mullah can legitimately interpret qu'an, emphasizing or omitting whatever they wish, and teach how they see it. This give respectability the the nut-jobs of today and removes public criticism from the less learned masses.

Sorry, islam leaves no room for self-determination, self-governance, or Constitutional governance by anyone but allah. Hence, their compulsion to seek sharia law in the US.

As you can see Mr Lewis is hardly a hate monger.

Am/was similarly discouraged, after voting them in for such little measurable progress to date. Am warning loved ones of probable tough times too. Will keep voting as a responsibility. Regards

Wiggy: Thank you. A blunt truth.

Interesting idea. If we condoned the use of force, it might be worth exploring. Until then, we'll have to wait until they try to kill us. Ouch.

I agree with you for the most part, but I'm going to offer a different prediction: that the moderates will be executed by the fringe element until the only ones left are the violent ones and we are forced to in turn eradicate them.

Call me pessimistic in this avenue, but I don't believe there will be a moderate version of Islam standing in 50 years.

AJA: Stay the course... you will get that opportunity.

Pixelate: Well said!!

Please send facts. I want a reason to believe differently but I have not seen anything to support it. And I have spent some time on the subject but I'm no expert.

The below is similar to another comment I posted and I copied and pasted it. Not trying to beat it to death.

(There is one passage in Islam's bible (Koran), governing rules or whatever term we use for it, that concerns me the most. That is the passage that suggests that believers in Islam blend with society until they are in a position of power and at that point they are to kill all infidels. This is not a quote of the passage as I do not have that at my fingertips but it was taught to me during a class put on by an Egyptian Christian that translated the Koran. Was he telling the truth? I could never say for sure because I cannot translate an original Koran but believe what he shared has to be considered.)

I want to believe that christian Muslims or atheist Muslims would be acceptable but how do we know that they are not following the Koran? Or more specifically the above mentioned passage. Hmmmm.

I am looking for a reason to change my position. Facts only please.

Term2: Correct! Did you see where in Turkey (while Obama was there) during the soccer game when it was announced a minute of silence for the Paris dead, during the supposed silence the whole stadium broke out in a chant of "Allah Akbar" - over and over again...!!!!!! Now, if that's not bad enough- Turkey is a NATO member! I am astounded that anyone would doubt the intrinsic violence in Islam, their inherent drive to destroy the infedels that the Koran calls for the eradication. There might be a Muslim that would not want to bloody their hands BUT they would turn their back and not see the killing of innocents by their Muslum brothers...
I call that the same as if they welded the knife that cut the throats themselves.

You know it is a good group when people of all backgrounds come together, in a peaceful way on their own without a hierarchy. It will come back together when the time is right as well. :)

I have a conservative-minded colleague up in the Redding, CA area. He was one of the founders of the Tea Party group up there several years ago. He completely dropped out, without warning, and never told me why. I was very curious about this...his behavior. Odd.

Have no fear. Given the chance, --- they will.

Coaldigger:
Exactly.

I have personally dealt with thousadns of Islamic believers personally and in business over the years.

There is a huge difference between the radicals or Islamists and the majority of the Uslamice believers.

Youa re correct, the picture is blurry, what is disgusting is the large percentage of people in the USA who want to condemn ALL Islam believers.

And now the idiot, trump, thinks it may be ok to make Islamic believers carry identity cards stating their beliefs!!! Whats next make them wear a crescent on their shirts instead of a star of david?