Excuse me, but wasn't the Gulch by invitation only? Gulchers practiced the most restrictive form of "immigration" possible: nobody gets in that we don't want, and you have to show you're worth keeping, or you're out. If anything, Paul's stand is quite liberal by comparison.

+1 for O'Shaftus!

Thanks for saying that now I don't need to.

I do not have a problem with Paul's bill.
I do not have a problem with my state's stand against O'Shaftus's next immigration invasion plan either.

Peter, you must be very proud of your daughter. When there is a crisis, we must do what we can to help. Since the US is a big target for ISIS, we must be much more careful than Macedonia.

The topic was on "Gulchers", not Objectivists.
They are not the same thing.

The thought behind Article 1 (of "religious liberty") in the Bill of Rights was to allow all Protestant denominationshas well as followers of Judaism freedom to exist alongside Catholics and Episcopalians.
Never would the Founding Fathers have comsidered Islam as a viable option to protect.
The thought would have been foreign to them...especially considering what they had to battle against on the Barbary Coast.

Hello Jimslag:
I agree. It is a rational approach to a very knotty problem.

The Gulch was privately owned land, not a country. Big difference. I do agree with Rand on this one, though.

The Gulch was privately owned land, not a country. Big difference. I do agree with Rand on this one, though.

Overall I believe we should allow in anyone with a relatively clean criminal record (not including prior immigration-related offenses) who can find someone to hire them.
Citizenship is a different question entirety, though.

Objectivists would be in favor of enforcing only rational immigration laws, which from my analysis only include things like criminal records.
Criteria such as race, gender, sex, and national origin (excluding those countries with whom we are at war) are not rational criteria for restricting access. As Rand herself states, such criteria are "the lowest, most crudely primitive form of collectivism. It is the notion of ascribing moral, social, or political significance to a man's genetic lineage..."
This quote spoke specifically to race, but it still applies when dealing with other characteristics that are not choice-based (don't start the transgendered discussion here please).
Finally, since we have freedom of religion here, restricting access based on religion, as so many are proposing lately, would be contrary not only to our constitution, but to our very founding principles.

It is completely different to restrict access to private property or to a private club than it is to restrict access to a country.

I lost all respect for Rand Paul when he endorsed Mitch McConnell for re-election in 2014.

Well, libertarians, in general, are for open borders. However, they also believe in no gov't hand outs.
That would mean, the only reason to come to this country would be for a job...or to kill us.
Since killing us would be stepping on our individual liberties, a Libertarian would be against that.
The next question is, does a libertarian believe in profiling?

Now if I remember correctly, even the Gulch was selective in who they let in. It was not just come as you are, willy, nilly. You had to be invited and there had to be a concensus among the current members. It has been a few years since I read AS and I have been through various iterations in my life but it seems as if he actually wants to set limits and provide for proper vetting of individuals. I find that agreeable and well within the rights of the current citizens of the US. Let me know if I am off base but this is the way I am seeing it.

For some on the ground data, read this from my daughter, who just came back from Macedonia.

http://livingclean.com/unbelievable-a...

I don't think Rand Paul's position on that Syrian problem would create any problem with Objectivism. In fact, recall that membership in the Gulch was by invitation only. Now his position does put him at odds with most libertarians. They tend not to think in terms of a combatant not wearing a uniform.

As the Klingons would say, "Kapla!", or "To your success" as well.

Why don't we just clear a place for them in... say... Iran. A nice, smooth, flat, smooth place.

Hello jbrenner,
Best of luck and much success.
Regards,
O.A.

Thanks. It is the first of two deadlines related to going up for promotion.

I think you'd find that most Gulchers are in favor of limited immigration and enforcement of immigration laws. Exactly the opposite of the illegal policy of the current traitorous administration.

Good success with the deadline.

Actually I think his policies are reasonably simple re refugees from Syria. In the US past it did take some time to get into the country and we had a bit more process at various times than we do today.