Question about filming AS3
Dear Gulch,
First post, introduction coming later.
I'm a little confused about the recent filming of AS3.
They said filming started on 2/20, and finished less than a week later.
I thought it takes a month or two to film a full length movie.
Is there more filming to come?
Thank you in advance for any info regarding this question.
Sincerely,
Steve Migala
First post, introduction coming later.
I'm a little confused about the recent filming of AS3.
They said filming started on 2/20, and finished less than a week later.
I thought it takes a month or two to film a full length movie.
Is there more filming to come?
Thank you in advance for any info regarding this question.
Sincerely,
Steve Migala
That's only true if the producers are committed to making an excellent movie that they hope will succeed aesthetically and financially. I don't believe that's the case here β AS1 and AS2 are evidence in support of my conclusion.
I am sure you would make an excellent operative for ACORN. Why don't you apply there?
They told me you were personally rejecting applications except from those who passed a multiple-choice "Objectivist purity" test, vetted by you and your wife, and designed by David Kelley.
Maybe the information is all over this site and all over the web.
See:
http://www.galtsgulchonline.com/posts/2d...
And see your own blog, as well as your posts at Amazon.
It's all out there.
"How did he know I was a girl and db was my husband?"
Because YOU TOLD EVERYONE. Jeez. You ARE dumb, khalling.
Critics are simply being cautious when dealing with superficially educated randroid cultists like you; for if they didn't repeat a specific point before criticizing it, you'd accuse them of "omitting the FULL CONTEXT" of the previous post. So they include the "full context" of the previous post by repeating it.
I assume even a dolt like you can understand that?
Yes. In your case, it is.
How about them? I haven't seen any from you.
>Your goal appears to be putting down the movies and anyone associated with them.
My goal is to put down only bad movies and those associated with them β including benighted cultists like you who cannot tell the difference between good movies and bad ones.
Before AS3 closes (probably about a week after it opens, judging by past experience with AS1&2), I intend to watch it very closely for the shot of Galt's cabin with the names of Kickstarter Campaign contributors supposedly carved into the side of it. I want to see if Kaslow and Aglialoro fulfilled their obligation as stated on the Kickstarter site. They never said, of course, that the director would be required to shoot a scene showing those carved names, nor did they say that the editor would be required to keep such a shot in the final cut of the film if it were shot in the first place. They merely said that those who contributed a certain amount would have their names carved into the side of the cabin.
Suckers.
In any case, I'm sure I'll enjoy the movie tremendously, though for reasons quite different from yours.
Many.
Have you had a rational thought yet this century? Doesn't seem like it, judging by your posts.
Taking this as a genuine concern, I refer you to the many films of wheel changing on formula 1 race cars, some on youtube are very amateurish. The results however are mind boggling, there is one of a car coming into the pit, stopped, the team slide in and in less than a minute the car is off, most impressive. If I come across it again I will link. You may need to play it a few times to realize what is going on.
It is not the hours filming, it is the concept, the plan, the message.
Your info is incorrect. I am offended by your statements. I thoroughly enjoyed the movies.
How could it be incorrect? I got it from overmanwarrior β a fountainhead of truth and objectivity.
See:
http://overmanwarrior.wordpress.com/2014...
". . . you will be delighted to know that Atlas Shrugged Part III finally wrapped on Valentinesβ Day 2014"
your cynicism is not appreciated
So even less time was spent on production than Smigala originally assumed. Excellent.
How does a bad movie that fails at the box office and garners poor reviews from critics help to promote Objectivism?
I want a Nobel Peace Prize for this!
About two in a hundred of this person's posts have
been useful and correct, but who's counting?
http://www.galtsgulchonline.com/posts/45...
That wasn't the point. The point was that you now seem intentionally to SEEK bad reviews as if they were a sign of honor. Even Alyssa Rosenbaum herself shed TEARS when the "left wing loons" employed as professional critics of literature in the 1950s trashed Atlas Shrugged. She obviously craved favorable reviews β as, indeed, any professional novelist would.
It was some consolation to her, of course, that the novel did very well commercially; but she STILL wanted good reviews from professional critics, if for no other reason than craft.
>>>Most are left wing loons.
So what. See, you're making a dumb amateurish mistake. You're assuming that a professional critic would trash a well-made film just on account of its political or philosophical content and implications, irrespective of how well-crafted the film was, and how well told its story was. You're wrong. Any professional critic who knows anything about filmmaking and its history would praise a film like Leni Riefenstahl's "Triumph of the Will" or "Olympiad" for its brilliant technique, even if they want nothing to do with its pro-Hitler, pro-Nazi-regime themes.
AS1 and AS2 were trashed specifically because they barely rose above film-student levels of basic story construction. THAT was also the reason the public rejected them.
Those are not reasons to be proud of those movies.
And even Alyssa Rosenbaum was able to praise a novelist like Tolstoy for his brilliant writing technique, even though she disliked intensely the "slice of life" subject matter he chose to treat.
That you cannot (or will not) separate form and content in art means you are happy to remain an ignoramus. Only in Objectivism is such intellectual laziness praised as "integrity to one's values."
Alien
Schindler's List
Airplane
Mad Max
Die Hard
Goodfellas
Rocky
Spartacus
Gladiator
The Matrix
The Big Lebowski
Gone with the Wind
Jaws
2001: A Space Odyssey
http://www.moviesoundscentral.com/sounds...
It WAS a flop when it came out in 1941, you nincompoop. But it was recognized by critics and film aficionados as being both pathbreaking and a work of genius β which it was.
Can't you even do a little research before posting a dumbshit opinion on things you know nothing about?
Also, check out Asimov's Foundation trilogy (and I'm sure you've seen if not read iRobot).
And I would be remiss to not mention Robert Anson Heinlein. Despite being a Navy guy, he wrote some of the most engaging and insightful prose of the 20th century, sci fi as it was. His teen dramas were just engaging, and his adult literature really called for introspection. Of course, "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress" is a libertarian classic, but Stranger is one that should cause anyone, and particularly Christians, to seek deep introspection.
Even as an atheist, I would think that these would be at least entertaining. And as an author, provide some benchmarks on storytelling.
Plus, the cars are AWESOME!
The point of all this not that you can't find this or that bad review of hit movies. The point is that AS1 and AS2 earned nothing BUT bad reviews from critics, AND it underperformed at the box office. Taken together, those are not signs of an "irrational culture"; they are signs of bad filmmaking. And the blame should be placed squarely on the producers.
I agree it was an aggressive and exhaustive schedule. what was your contribution or facts to back up your criticism?
More extensive than yours.
>>>I agree it was an aggressive and exhaustive schedule.
A 20-day shoot is hardly aggressive and exhaustive. Given a 120-page screenplay (appoximately1 page per minute of screentime), most experienced directors will not want to shoot more than 2 pages per day, since every scene typically requires a master shoot, and coverage from different angles and at different image sizes (close-up, medium, pairs of over-the-shoulder shots during pure dialogue scenes, etc.), and there are usually multiple takes for each camera setup. So that's a 60-day (2 month) shoot.
Then it's about 3-6 months of editing.
A 20-day shoot is typical for low-budget film-student shoots.
A long time ago I built conveyor belts for Amazon.com in a union shop. I built conveyor's at a rate of more than three times the union quota, which caused a lot of trouble. They told me that a sorting conveyor took a day and a half to build, and I was often building three of them in that time frame.
In the field during installation guess who had the most quality control rejects..............it wasn't me. It was the union idiots who milked out their day sipping coffee and reading the newspaper instead of doing the job.
A lot of movie sets have a lot of time fluff in them. But I still enjoy them. I like student films, and I like big budget enterprises. One of my favorites was Eyes Wide Shut by Stanley Kubrick who spent a year filming Nichole Kidman's breasts. Sure he had perfection, but I'm not sure it made the film better.
These guys on Atlas III at least put forth the effort. It would have been nice if Atlas Shrugged could have received the big budget treatment in Hollywood, but they blew it off out of protest. I'm happy these guys picked up the film and tried it even if they did have to learn along the way. Student film or big budget extravaganza--I'll enjoy the film because of the content and heart behind the message.
That's because you've never shot (or budgeted) a movie. Movie production β "lensing", as it's sometimes called β is all about detail. That's why multiple takes are often required. Some directors were famous (or infamous) for excessive takes: Stanley Kubrick, for example, often made his actors do 90-100 takes or more for a single camera setup.
In any case, to blow through a feature-length screenplay in 20-days (assuming it's 120 pages) means they're doing an average of 6 pages per day β two whole scenes, possibly three. That's the sort of shooting schedule used in television production . . . and, in fact, as has been mentioned many times by many people, AS1 and AS2 looked more like a made-for-TV movie than a made-in-Hollywood movie.
In fact, to blow through 6 pages of shooting per day, it's probably necessary to use multiple cameras, possibly even a TV-style, 3-camera setup (most Hollywood features are shot with one camera because it's difficult β sometimes impossible β for a cinematographer to adequately light a scene for different camera angles at the same time. Directors-of-Photography prefer to light a scene beautifully for ONE angle at a time (as well as one focal length at a time), especially if the lighting is to play an important story-related role in the picture (setting the emotional mood, establishing time of day, etc.). The way it's done for television (especially soaps) is that the lights are hung from a grid on the ceiling, and most of the lighting quality is "flat" (i.e., lights have some diffusion material over them to scatter the light, disperse any strong sense of directionality, and soften shadows) so that it's fairly easy to shoot a scene from multiple angles simultaneously, since everything is lit.
Anyway, I can tell you know nothing about movie production. Shooting a film is all about scheduling (which means: setting quotas for shooting). That has precisely zero to do with unions.
Stick to setting fire to bull whips and recording it on your iPhone, OK?
**Even** a water boy on a set knows more about filmmaking than you.
But I guess being a randroid cult-member makes you an expert in all things (in your own eyes) without going through the unpleasant hassle of actually having to learn something.
Some things never change. The "cult mentality" is one of them.
Yep. That makes me infinitely more knowledgeable than you about making movies.
(But don't worry, muchacho. There are plenty of other cult members here who will gladly buy your line of bullshit.)
>>>Tell Randall, the fine screenwriter that we said hi while you're doing his nails and getting him water.
OK.
In the meantime, genius, I'm putting aside one bucket of water for you β
β in case you accidentally set fire to your crotch while doing that crazy Fire Dance with your whip.
Must be nice being you, khalling. You have so many strong, "well considered" opinions on so many things about which you know so little.
To paraphrase the little boy in "The Sixth Sense":
"I see stupid people."
In art β as in life β you don't get an "A" for putting forth an effort. You get an "A" for results. AS1 and AS2 were rejected by the public (including many Objectivists) and panned by critics. AS3 probably won't be different. Why should it be?
>>>>It would have been nice if Atlas Shrugged could have received the big budget treatment in Hollywood, but they blew it off out of protest.
You're fabricating a mythology about the history of this project to make you feel better about its failure. The producers could have made a single, high-impact movie with a screenplay by Randall Wallace (an excellent screenwriter). Perhaps the final product didn't please "philosophical adviser" David Kelley in terms of strict compliance with mandates for Objectivist purity. Who knows. Instead, they shelved Wallace's work in favor of a "let's throw in everything, including the kitchen sink" made-for-TV-approach, and even that was amateurish.
The producers realized that they could always sell DVDs and merchandise (t-shirts, coffee mugs, etc.) to cultists who made it clear online that they would buy anything, as long as it had something to do with Ayn Rand or the story of Atlas Shrugged. In fact, the bigger the failure at the box office and in critical write-ups, the more Objectivist cultists can cry "cultural conspiracy!" "mysticism!" etc., and the more they would urge one another to buy a 2nd or 3rd DVD, another t-shirt, and one more coffee mug.
I would be very interested in learning how much of the final budget β including monye from the Kickstarter campaign β was in fact spent on AS3. Given a mere 20-day shooting schedule, I suspect not much.
Should I be wrong, I do not care. I will buy the DVD and probably enjoy it and get value as I did from 1 and 2.
But wouldn't even MORE people have discovered the book had MORE people seen the movie? And wouldn't MORE people have chosen to see the movie had the FEW people who did see it given it positive word-of-mouth reviews to their friends, colleagues, and neighbors? The answer is YES. Most people who saw the movie trashed it. That's why it died at the box office.
Word-of-mouth killed it.
>>>>>That makes these movies wonderful advocates for thought.
No it doesn't. It makes them fantastically over-budgeted advertising failures. You don't spend 30-40 million on two movies just to get 11 people to buy the book. Only a bullwhip bullshit artist could approve of something so inefficient and so dumb.
>>>>>Anybody who is against them are the same people who are against anything that provokes thought against their committed philosophies.
You're a redneck hick, and an intellectual blank cartridge. Your grammar also sucks ("anybody who isβ¦" is singular, not plural. Try this: "Anybody who IS against them IS the same kind of person who would be against anything that provokes thought . . ." etc.
Your head is mush, overdouche. You can neither think straight, nor write straight. I'm unsure at this point which one is cause and which one effect. Ultimately, however, it doesn't matter.
http://overmanwarrior.wordpress.com/2014...
Reread the FAQs from the original site. It said that even though the film was already (supposedly) "fully funded", the additional money would be used across several categories, including PRODUCTION (not just marketing); and it said that contributions above a certain amount would be rewarded with the contributors' names carved into the side of Galt's cabin in the gulch.
You mean, you donated your own money and you didn't even read what the terms were at the site?
Smart.
You're schmucky, Lucky.