Will the U.S. stand idly by **again** as an ally fights?

Posted by johnpe1 8 years, 5 months ago to Government
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first it was Ukraine, where we had a treaty obligating us
to provide weapons --at least-- and now, it's NATO.
what will we end up doing?
what should we end up doing? -- j
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SOURCE URL: http://www.wnd.com/2015/11/france-declares-war-against-isis-start-of-wwiii/


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  • Posted by $ sjatkins 8 years, 5 months ago
    Nothing. A reactionary move is not an excuse for pouring more money into basically pounding sand. Did we learn nothing in the last 12 years of doing such pounding?
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    • Posted by 8 years, 5 months ago
      please note that I am voting you up as I respond.......

      the problem with our last 12 years was our doing it wrong, IMHO.

      we must face these barbarians down -- yes, both ISIS and Putin --
      or they will eat our lunch for us. . worse, they will, like the progressives,
      drive us slowly, irrevocably, into oblivion. . this first-of-a-kind nation
      deserves to live. . we must defend it, and the principles of our
      allies, everywhere. . this requires that we stop the campus rapes,
      so to speak, to prevent the home rapes. . this world is our campus,
      a freewheeling wild social experiment whose outcome is raw and
      evolving. . our home must not be raped by those whose appetite
      has been whetted by raping the people -- this is not about gender --
      by raping the people on campus. -- j
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  • Posted by edweaver 8 years, 5 months ago
    IMHO, and that of the Constitution, the US obligation is to protect it's people from foreign invasion. Soon enough we will have our own problems to deal with given that our government is still planning to let in refugees from Syria. They stated that our vetting process is too good to let the terrorist in. Anyone on this list believe that?
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    • Posted by 8 years, 5 months ago
      that is such a joke, actually a crying shame of a white house comment,
      that I was ashamed for our country. -- j
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      • Posted by $ johnrobert2 8 years, 5 months ago
        We need to be ready for a war on at least two fronts, international and national. The anarchists and agents of chaos within are as deadly a threat as those from without. If I lived in an urban environment right now, I would be very ready to 'bug-out' at the first rumblings of mass lawlessness and take with me such as I needed to defend myself and family to the best of my ability.
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        • Posted by 8 years, 5 months ago
          I live in the country and think that way. . it is sad that
          the u.s. has been reduced to this -- voluntarily, for
          the lack of vigilance.. -- j
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          • Posted by $ johnrobert2 8 years, 5 months ago
            Unfortunately, IMO, some in the 'country' feel they will be immune, or separate from, what happens in the urban centers. They won't. Even the bad guys can drive a vehicle, and will, to ravage outside the cities.
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            • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 5 months ago
              They will have to in order to survive. All the food and what not sent to the city will cease and they don't know how to produce anything themselves. That's what ambush teams are for.

              More likely to cause concern are remnants of NG or Reserve or Active Duty units.
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              • Posted by $ johnrobert2 8 years, 5 months ago
                Hm-m-m-m. Could you explicate on that last remark? I'm not sure of which direction you are going with that. Not getting huffy but truly puzzled.
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                • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 5 months ago
                  The start point was cities shut down without food or fuel nor much of anything. Think about the Charlton Heston Movie. The survivors of the city or urban wars having eaten up everything worth eating since without electricity a certain spoilage will have occurred fuel up what they have left and set about raiding the country side. Here people know about making candles and growing then canning and preserving food stocks. They are also armed and many are veterans. As the raiders who for the most part like most city dwellers get lost with three trees and no sky scraper to guide on sort of blunder around looking for the next corner candy and smokes store. when they get lit up for what the country folks need. Tires, some fuel and weapons. One bucket loader and dozer operation they are six feet under.

                  The fly in the ointment maybe is any military unit had superior weapons and MRE's They leave the city and go to where people know how to grow and preserve food and make a trade. Division of labor. Gas for Grub. Society starts over in areas where society can sustain itself. cities are not included. they have nothing to offer.

                  The start of all this is the France ISIS situation. But Europe is a mass of cities and town separated by a few farms at least until Poland and "Ukraine.or the old Yugoslavia area Europe being mostly cities and minus on food production has nothing to offer except to mercenary military units.

                  North America for example is the opposite except in the NE USA and eastern seaboard Lots of mouths, lots of cars, low on food, low on fuel.They have, nothing to offer and assuming their military units head west looking for trades.

                  Low on the list of useful skills? Politicians, Media, none hard science professors except....some philosophers and historians and the respected non hard science skills.

                  The first three don't even make the list. Nothing to offer. Add Washington bureaucrats. Unless you need weeds chopped and lettuce harvested. Stoop labor jobs. What else are they good for?
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                  • Posted by $ johnrobert2 8 years, 5 months ago
                    Ah, okay. I thought you were heading in a direction of military units, armed and trained, going rogue and moving into the countryside and forming pocket kingdoms or conquering vassal 'contributors' to a larger dictatorial entity, along the lines of S.M. Stirling's multipart opus.
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                    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 5 months ago
                      No but I wouldn't discount it. We are not all Galahads. Come to think of it that wouldn't be going rogue if there was no more anything to rogue against.
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