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    Posted by strugatsky 8 years, 4 months ago
    I think that this is what Bernie meant:

    The Islamists are fossils from the 7th century. Human industrial activity digs, pumps or otherwise disturbs various fossil layers of the Earth. When the Islamic layer is disturbed, it ejects a stream of morons with terrorists interspersed in it. Thus, human industrial activity releases fossilized terrorists.
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    • Posted by mccannon01 8 years, 4 months ago
      LMAO! By golly, this made my day!

      My mind conjured up a vision of petro-dollars flowing into the Middle East and a "a stream of morons with terrorists interspersed in it" flowing out! TRUE TRUE TRUE!!

      strugatsky, you hit that nail squarely on the head!

      Hell, I can't stop laughing! +100 if I could!
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  • Posted by ProfChuck 8 years, 4 months ago
    Anthropogenic climate change is 10% science and 90% politics. It is a powerful political tool for those that wish to impose a dictatorial rule but it is of limited scientific value. To the extent that it poses a real threat to our ecosystem the "solutions" proposed by our political masters will only aggravate the problem by destroying the technology base that can be used to address it. Politicians are notoriously illiterate when it comes to science but they do recognize a potential weapon when they see one. AGW provides them with such a weapon but like a child with a gun they have no idea how to use it.
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  • Posted by fivedollargold 8 years, 4 months ago
    Fivedollargold recommends that Bernie go to Syria and meet with ISIS to explain to them why burning coal in Illinois is the reason they feel the need to lop off people's heads. (He might also wear a Star of David to the meeting and bring along Madonna, clad in a skimpy outfit, to sing kumbaya.)
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    • Posted by $ Suzanne43 8 years, 4 months ago
      And speaking of Madonna after her speech about reaching out to ISIS to show them that we mean them no harm ( a view unfortunately shared by Obama ), she actually thinks that they will be so touched that they will love us. What a twit. If ISIS ever gets the upper hand, I'd love to see her being forced to wear a burqa, act modestly, and be obsequious to males.
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  • Posted by edweaver 8 years, 4 months ago
    IMHO, Bernie is a way bigger threat to America than ISIS but ISIS is a huge threat.

    Lucky has a good point about the climate change scam. :) When 90% of the CO2 (still not a poison) emitted, is generated from natural sources that would not stop even if all the living creatures on earth were dead, it is hard for me to understand how anyone could believe in the hoax. Even if we quit burning all fossil fuel and went back to horse & buggy we would not have an impact on the climate. There would be more horses, (methane gas) and all heat would have to come from wood so we would still be pumping CO2.
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  • Posted by Lucky 8 years, 4 months ago
    Circuit Guy is correct !
    possibly even Sanders but for the wrong reason.

    1. Ranking is of no use in decision making, except possibly for presenting a recommendation to politicians.

    2. While the idea of human caused climate change via CO2 is a scam, there is evidence that the earth is cooling, this would be a disaster for food crop production. Consider the great grain growing areas of the central US and Ukraine. With warmer weather crop growing can move north, but with colder weather the Gulf of Mexico and the Black Sea are barriers to a move south. Disaster can be averted by more energy production such as nuclear, and halting facile CO2 restrictions, greater use of coal will produce more plant food.
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    • Posted by $ 8 years, 4 months ago
      I tend to think that ranking is a means of prioritization. I focus my personal resources first on things that I view as more important, and walk down the list until I have no remaining resources. Of course I can't print money as our Federal government does, so perhaps it really isn't important to prioritize threats and deal first with those deemed to be most important. We can do it all! Increase our balance sheet, Ms. Yellen.

      I agree with your comments on CO2. A while back - circa 1970s - it was "the coming ice age". Then it became global warming. Since the "experts" can't seem to decide whether the long term trend is warming or cooling, it has become climate change. Probably a more accurate term, as this earth's climate has been changing since before the point in time that man inhabited it. What will we do - cower and rely on our benevolent government to keep us safe? Hardly. We will do what we've always done - adapt our living to areas more friendly to comfortable life, crop growth, etc.

      Back to the original line of thought. ISIS is here and now. Not recognizing it as an imperative that must be dealt with NOW would be a grave mistake, and would only lead to more tragedies like the one just experienced by France.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 4 months ago
      True we're at the start of a mini ice age but the evaluation is a one point five centigrade cooler over 200 years. By then Gore and the rest of the flibbertergibbets wil be dead and gone with no warming and something else will take it's place.
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  • Posted by Temlakos 8 years, 4 months ago
    He's lying. They're all lying.

    "I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps to the data series...from 1981 onwards, and to 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline." That sentence told me everything I needed to know about global warming.
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  • Posted by wmiranda 8 years, 4 months ago
    Typical response to a rather simple question about his yes or no opinion: 80% sounds reasonable on the surface, 20% pure blah, blah BS.
    2+2=4+x=9, where x equals 2.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 4 months ago
    The question asks him to compare two unrelated things (despite his claim that they're related), which I think is unfair. I think many things, including climate change, are bigger threats than ISIS. I don't understand his saying they're directly related.

    It seems to me that he mistakenly accepted the premise of the question that threats can be put on a clear scale of importance.
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    • Posted by $ 8 years, 4 months ago
      The question was whether Sanders still believes the greatest threat is climate change, and he reaffirmed that. He even went so far as to say that climate change fostered the growth of ISIS.

      Really? After the events in Paris, it's hard to disagree that ISIS is THE clear and present danger today. Methinks Bernie forgot to take his meds.
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      • Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 4 months ago
        The idea that threats can be ranked from greatest to least is questionable for me.

        If we have to rank them, I rank climate change as a greater threat than ISIS. (I do not understand Sanders claim that they're related. They seem like separate problems to me.) I rank ISIS low because I don't think they can do much. I can't imagine them being as deadly as automobiles are, but they're evil is so ghastly. All they can do is try to goad people into over-reacting with their horrific crimes.

        I think they're a bunch of lowlifes clinging to power by blaming their problems on the civilized world. They want to pretend like they're at "war" with the civilized world, which is laughable, but some people are happy to go along with that narrative.
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        • Posted by ewv 8 years, 4 months ago
          I think the biggest threat would be the anthropogenic complete nuclear explosion of the entire universe. Of the threats likely to happen, global mass murders by the Islamo fascists is more serious than that or other climate hysteria.

          The recent coordinated mass murders in Paris were not caused by a Pam Geller video. Those affected by the savagery don't agree that ISIS "can't do much", but watch our for those fascist cars operating with AI to take over over the world. Destroying the fascists (including ISIS) is not "over reacting". The savages at war with the civilized world would be less of a threat if the leaders of the civilized world cared about destroying them instead of pandering to political correctness and treating "veterans and the tea party" as a "threat to the homeland". Normal people don't regard any of it as "laughable".
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          • Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 4 months ago
            "Those affected by the savagery don't agree..."
            Sure, when you're affected by something, maybe a rare disease, it's extremely important to you. It doesn't mean it's a threat to the world. ISIS and their allies (in this case, you) want to convince the world that they are something serious like a Nazi state "at war with the civilized world". They and their allies are only a threat to the extent they can convince the world they're at war.
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            • Posted by ewv 8 years, 4 months ago
              isis is not a disease, it is deliberate irrationality deliberately pursued on as wide and growing a scope as it can get away with. They are not "pretending" to be nazis. They are a threat because of what they are and what they are doing, not because sane people are imagining it. If the civilized world would recognize isis for what it is and treat it accordingly it would no longer be a threat. Pretending it isn't won't make it go away.
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        • Posted by $ 8 years, 4 months ago
          They are not blaming their problems on the civilized world. They have a committed goal to rid the earth of its non-Muslim population.

          129 deaths in this most recent attack - and the number will likely increase - does not constitute a laughable action.
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          • Posted by blackswan 8 years, 4 months ago
            Human induced climate change is pure crap. Period. Climate change induced primarily by the SUN is a fact. Any attempt to slow down or stop climate change is foolishness of biblical proportions. ISIS is a pimple on an elephant's behind; all that's needed is a good swat. Just wipe them out. We did it to the Germans and Japanese, who both were much more formidable foes than a bunch of illiterate barbarians. Neither "problem" is a problem.
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          • Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 4 months ago
            I will be shocked if they kill as many people as any other significant reason for murder or even as many as accidents. They wish they were a real threat. Some of the people they threaten wish they were a real threat. I don't think think any of them will get their wish.
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        • Posted by $ jlc 8 years, 4 months ago
          I do not agree with you in either respect: Climate change is a chimera of political agendas. Were global warming even true, it would be minor and beneficial.

          ISIS is directly attacking us. It is not some slow evolution of the patterns of the Earth - these are people.trying.to.kill.me.

          We agree that they are lowlifes.

          Jan
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          • Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 4 months ago
            There have always been lowlife murders. They always have a bogus story about why they do it.

            The "were global warming true" thing makes no sense because we are in an deglaciating period of this ice age, and the evidence strongly points to human activities increasing the natural deglaciation. This will be a huge net cost to people. If you can't face the basic reality of it, there's no where to go from there. Assuming we do face reality, i's a much bigger deal than a band of criminals. There's no obvious answer to how to manage it and have a world supporting billions of people living an affluent life. I'm sure there's away; we just haven't solved it yet. It's a much much bigger problem than extremist thugs. I predict the state component to it will disappear, and they will exist only as criminals in rural regions of weak gov'ts. I could be wrong about this, though, because I never predicted they could actually take over parts of countries without even hiding how evil they are.
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            • Posted by $ jlc 8 years, 4 months ago
              Since I disagree with your facts on global warming (and I have posted on this many times before; do not intend to segue into that again at the moment) we are reasoning from a different set of premises. Insofar as whether ISIS constitutes more than random thugs who will soon dissipate, we will see.

              I have, however, pointed you back up to 1 from 0. We disagree, but we are doing so based on disparate data sets not flaming poo flinging.

              Jan
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        • Posted by Ben_C 8 years, 4 months ago
          ISIS can't do much until it is your family member that is killed. You will then sing a different tune.,
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          • Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 4 months ago
            "ISIS can't do much until it is your family member that is killed."
            You could substitute any peril (cars, rare disease, earthquakes), and if you're following emotionalism, then they're all the greatest threat to humankind.
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    • Posted by ewv 8 years, 4 months ago
      CircuitGuy: "I don't understand his saying they're directly related."

      Boiny thinks terrorists and climate hysteria are related because one of the current PC rationalization fads claims that the weather is driving otherwise innocent people to become frustrated terrorists.
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      • Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 4 months ago
        "Boiny thinks terrorists and climate hysteria are related because one of the current PC rationalization fads claims that the weather is driving otherwise innocent people to become frustrated terrorists."
        I wonder if the senator really believes that. It sounded like an awkward way of saying he takes mass murder seriously without appearing to dither. OTOH, maybe he believes it. It seems like a bizarre claim to me.
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        • Posted by ewv 8 years, 4 months ago
          Of course it's bizarre. Boinie is bizarre. He's dithering on the cause. The 'blame it on the weather line' is currently a common leftist theme avoiding acknowledgment of the cause. They typically believe their own propaganda.
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