Really?

Posted by Robbie53024 11 years, 2 months ago to Culture
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1) Isn't this the US?
2) 5 May isn't even a holiday in Mexico - totally an American creation. 19 Sep is Mexican Independence Day.

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  • Posted by g4lt 11 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Well, they keep saying that school doesn't prepare students to be dentists, concrete layers, excavators, whatever, but it never was intended for that. It WAS intended to make students Citizens, so perhaps that's what's needed here, more reading of laws, less reading of _Lord of the Flies_
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  • Posted by g4lt 11 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    No, because laws by their very nature are enforceable. The SCOTUS saying that a law was never meant to be enforced is stepping into the Executive's prerogative and is necessarily null and void.
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  • Posted by $ Mimi 11 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I am holding those students accountable. When you have a day that is known for potential widespread brushfires caused by locals you don’t allow the tourists with full gas cans to sit on the sidelines. How can schools properly prepare for unseen events if they forceable made to deal with completely avoidable situations? The boys made it all about “them”, diverting the school’s attention away from other real concerns.

    This was a local issue, not a national concern or a constitutional issue. It was about controlling mayhem among adolescents.

    They obviously suck at it. And we suck at decency and reasoning for “rubbernecking” our way through this wreck flying our patriot colors.

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  • Posted by khalling 11 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    the racially driven problems you are referring to, mimi, involved mostly gang related issues. The school's community is 50% latino and only 2/3 of the latino students graduate HS. The gangs are latino. In that school district, the elementary schools fall in the bottom 3 in the city for english proficiency. The district website includes information on the district in Spanish. There are racial tensions in the schools. The latino parents complain that the academic performance of the white students is completely different than the latino students. Well, if you begin your education with english as a second language, there will be some catch up. However, if 1/3 of the latino student population isn't graduating, I'd say the community culture plays a role. Gangs whip up tensions. The threat of violence were all from latino students. kids will be kids, but the american flag depicted on shirts and shorts is not a call to war. The latino community bears some responsibility in this case. They were not victims. They should have focused on having a fun day-instead, some were employing machismo and taking it too far. Why aren't you holding the those students responsible for their actions?
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  • Posted by $ Mimi 11 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It’s obvious you lack the critical reasoning skills to address this problem with a level of objectivity.

    I don’t take 1st Amendment rights lightly. I don’t apply them to hormone-driven minors looking to be the king of the playground.

    The school had a history of problems on Cinco de Mayo, racially-driven problems. Those students devalued the meaning of the flag by wearing it as warpaint. 1st amendment rights my arse.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 11 years, 2 months ago
    It sounds like The Onion. It's absolutely bizarre.

    I think of the US as this beautiful place where I ride my bike to a lab and make circuits, with a crossing guard who waves and gives me the two-line weather forecast as I ride by. There's another part of the country where people are all fired up about people wearing the flag. I'm guessing that's not their only problem. I wish everyone who wants it could have boring Midwestern existence with no fighting over flags.
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  • Posted by SolitudeIsBliss 11 years, 2 months ago
    As I posted on another related post, does the school fly the US flag outside the building? If so, is that inciting violence? Is that flag next?
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  • Posted by Eyecu2 11 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Absolutely not! but I would have kids blatantly disrespect this ruling and force the issue.

    I feel that ALL kids (and all people) in this country should learn and exhibit proper respect for our flag. At the same time I would have those kids en masse ignore this ruling. If enough of them display the flag and refuse to follow this ruling then there is no way that it can be enforced.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    How'd they get to be "American kids with Mexican heritage"? All previous generations of immigrants, the waves of Irish, Italians, Russians, Germans, and so on, while celebrating their ethnic holidays, still took pride in their Americanism. They weren't threatened or incited by American symbols on their holidays because they took pride in being BOTH.

    I made a post about St David's Day. I celebrate it for my Welsh heritage on my father's side. I likewise wear orange on St Patrick's Day to celebrate my Irish heritage on my mother's side (her family was protestant). NEITHER interfere with my American heritage, why should it incite these "American kids with Mexican heritage"?

    Because they are being taught that America is the bad guys, that we "Europeans" "stole" America from their ancestors (along with the space shuttle and Wal-marts and hospitals and factories, and superhighways and so on, I guess)

    I'd be willing to bet that the vast majority of the "American kids with Mexican heritage" at that school are 1st generation, or maybe even 0th generation "Americans". In the past that would be enough, but not now when they're being raised to have no respect for, and even hostility toward "their" country.

    In the end, it's the fault of their parents and grandparents who wanted the unearned and snuck into America. In the end, it's the fault of the government and crooked businesses who wanted the easy votes and cheap labor.

    It's NOT the fault of a handful of multi-generational American kids who have gotten fed up with drowning in Mexicanism in their own darned country.
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  • Posted by g4lt 11 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It was until the Chicago Seven trials, when the SCOTUS ruled is as merely advisory. They jailed Hoffman(?) for wearing it at the trial.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 11 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    How, in your warped view of the world, is wearing something with an American flag on it inciting anything?

    What happened to the 1st Amendment? Or is that optional to you?
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  • Posted by RobertFl 11 years, 2 months ago
    They should wear Texas Flag shirts with, "Remember the Alamo", and see whose panties get in a bunch then.
    They only banned displaying the American Flag.
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  • Posted by rlewellen 11 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I speak and you speak, they are just words there is no loss unless you only support one group. Support all of them is all I am saying. You assumed all the kids with the American Flag were white, one of those kids were pretty dark complected.
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  • Posted by MattFranke 11 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Because people hate their lives and the only way to feel satisfied in their empty existence is to pee in somebody else's cheerios.
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  • Posted by $ Mimi 11 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That’s the whole point--it isn't “Mexican” kids--it’s American kids with Mexican heritage. .

    Your right-- if you marginalize Americans, treating them like second-rate citizens because of their skin color, parents point of origin, their language, or their culture they often do become easy fodder for socialists.

    But in the end: who’s fault is that?
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  • Posted by khalling 11 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    it's a real holiday-just not big in Mexico. NOt big in the US either until the 80s. They say it was a big push by Corona. It is the 2nd biggest beer consumption day next to St. Patrick's Day. Why an american flag on a shirt stops people from having fun is beyond me.
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  • Posted by khalling 11 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    actually that is not what the court ruled. The boys were in no way chastised. I am not proclaiming there wasn't some push back here in making a statement-but in NO WAY is making a 1st Amendment statement "inciting" violence. One of the boys turned his shirt inside out. Two of the boys were sent home for refusing to turn their shirts inside out. Those two boys received calls and texts which threatened violence from latino students. That is incitement. The school's position was clear. They were protecting the boys who wore the patriotic shirts FROM violence. This from another article-
    "I can't fault the (9th Circuit) for this," said Eugene Volokh, a UCLA law professor. "But, boy, this is a pretty sad commentary. Here we have a school saying it's too dangerous for students to wear an American flag to an American school."
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  • Posted by MattFranke 11 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I've heard the same thing, about it being made up and not actually celebrated outside the US. I heard it was a gimmick by Corona among others to sell beer.
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