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Situation in Paris

Posted by $ Susanne 9 years, 5 months ago to News
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If you haven't noticed yet... 3 (apparently) coordinated attacks in Paris - one at a soccer match, one at a restaurant, one at a metal concert. Currently the stadium is still pretty locked down, and the rock concert is a hostage situation. Um, make that 4. Add a shopping center to the list. LeHalle. Happens to be at a major rail hub. And it's in an area known to be an al queda stronghold in Paris.

Once again... Radicals V. Rationals. And the US hides its head in the sand, asking for more refugees... so we can be as European as Europe. Um Hmm...


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  • Posted by JCLanier 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Dr.Z: I just posted a video on this subject (a picture is worth a thousand words!).
    I believe it expresses exactly your point.

    See under "New" category "History"
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  • Posted by DeanStriker 9 years, 5 months ago
    Read the source, but couldn't get the video to play -- just sat there spinning.

    ISIS, like Al Qaeda and more, is not a Nation, it's just a horde of renegades. In this world where we're accustomed to Nations making wars, this seems bewildering. If this is a trigger for WW3, then Obama has an excuse to cancel or suspend the 2016 election. OMGoodness!
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  • Posted by JCLanier 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Esceptico: I just posted on this subject, "The Crusades vs Islam", It's a new post under History...
    I think you might find it interesting.
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  • Posted by Esceptico 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It was not the invasion of Europe it was about the middle east, and that is exactly my point. This war goes back and forth with no end in sight. The first of the Crusades began in 1095, when armies of Christians from Western Europe responded to Pope Urban II’s plea to go to war against Muslim forces in the Holy Land. After the First Crusade achieved its goal with the capture of Jerusalem in 1099, the invading Christians set up several Latin Christian states, and the Muslims in the region vowed to wage war to retake the land. This is the same fight after 1,000 years for a piece of dirt claimed by both to be religiously theirs.
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  • Posted by khalling 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I am not against using military force even indiscriminately as Jefferson did. However, the deaths of 300 people do not justify wiping out all arabs. they are are human beings, therefore capable of using their rational facilities. To condemn every las one is NOT rational. where is your outcry over the downing of the Russian plane-hardly anything on this site about it. Jefferson and Madison used indiscriminate bombing to achieve a specific purpose. Just the wipe out of a people is not a rational response. Objectivists hold that people have value. This is ultimately a war of ideas.
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  • Posted by wiggys 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    we carpet bomb the entirety of the middle east to include Saudi Arabia with nukes.
    these mindless poor excuses for humans are still in the 7th century and it matters not what is done short of getting rid of them they will not stop because that is how they are directed by the mullahs.
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  • Posted by JCLanier 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    BSmith51: At the point we are today, I would agree with your comment. Drastic situation, drastic measures.
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  • Posted by JCLanier 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Khalling: Fair point, well said. Could it be that they were, in origin, Arabic and/or naturalized citizens
    and most likely of Islamic religion?

    This would present a different picture than a, let's say, multi-generational full-blooded British citizen.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 9 years, 5 months ago
    There has been a Muslim enclave in Paris where even the police fear to go. How is this possible? It is a invitation to terror. Like being subjected to a virulent disease and then wondering why you came down with it.
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  • Posted by JCLanier 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Herb: Your comment hits home- sadly.
    Are we wrong? Can Muslims/Islam be successfully absorbed into the Western culture of any country other than their own? They run from their failed societies with the hate they nurture for the different factions/clans that divide their own countries yet they unify and are polarized against a much greater hatred for the West.
    There is no reasoning that can contain this hate and violence. And it is this non-reasoning that fuels this terrorism and ultimately will be its downfall.
    To bring this into context, simply put, and I use a quote that RockyMountainPirate once posted:

    "If you are unwilling to defend your right to your own lives, then you are merely like mice trying to argue with owls. You think their ways are wrong. They think you are dinner." -Naked Empire

    This quote embodies the extreme and opposite poles that we are facing with radical Islam and there is NO dialogue that can breech this divide given the absence of reason.

    Edited for clarity
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Islam started on the point of the sword, raging across the Middle East and North Africa, subjugating all before it, slaughtering those who would not yield. Only when Charles ("The Hammer") Martel, the Frank, stopped the Muslim invasion of Europe at the Battle of Tours in 732 did their attempt to conquer the world halt, temporarily.

    Every century or so since then, the Muslims have attempted to complete their conquest, and each time one European monarch or another has managed to stop them. To try to paint their latest pageant of blood as a result of "Western aggression" is, quite frankly, BS!
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  • Posted by bsmith51 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The Muslims invaded Iberia (Spain) in 711ad. 21 years later, they crossed the Pyrenees and invaded France, where the Franks defeated them at the Battle of Tours in 732ad.

    The Crusades have nothing to do with it. Islam's call to the faithful to kill or subjugate infidels and establish a world caliphate is the problem.
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  • Posted by bsmith51 9 years, 5 months ago
    First understand, the terrorists see their murder as a Defensive - not offensive - Act, in that they are defending their faith.

    The Qu'ran is a book not of stories but of commands as to what to believe, how to behave, and rules for tribal society. Primary among these is the call to kill or subjugate infidels. Every word of the Qu'ran is regarded by the faithful as the direct, unassailable word of Allah. Any person who would advocate to change any one word or interpretation is subject to prosecution as an apostate and punishment of death under the sharia.
    There is no dinner table discussion in families about this. Family members who question the faith are frequently ratted out by other family members and often severely punished or killed. This is considered as a family strengthening policy.

    Islam is a culture of death enforced by a culture of fear that will NEVER reform itself.

    What to do? Western societies should band together and deport ALL Muslims outside of western civilization, cut off ALL trade, deny them technology and all the benefits of civilization that they have been enjoying. Only then will Islam perhaps reform itself and only then should they be considered for membership in civilized society. If this seems radical, consider that Muhammed's armies surrounded infidel city-states and, driving to the center, left nothing alive.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You are obviously a Detroiter as I am. Dearborn had a substantial Muslim population 40 years ago, but now it is a Muslim enclave. Old Anti-Semitic Henry would be climbing up a wall and gibbering if he could see the town he founded.
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  • Posted by term2 9 years, 5 months ago
    Why are we all waging war on ISIS and expecting them NOT to retaliate? We are in their lands in the middle of a regional religious conflict. We (USA) should announce we are neutral in their battle and then stay out of it and get our troops and guns out of there and let them settle their own religious issues. If Russia wants to put themselves in it, LET THEM.
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  • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Crusades? You do realize that the Crusades were a response to the islamic invasion of Europe (where the islmaic horde conquered Spain and took slaves.) after the fall of the Roman Empire?

    History.
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  • Posted by bsmith51 9 years, 5 months ago
    Some history (from my brother) that most Americans, I believe, do not know:

    "The first Crusade is given the time frame of 1096 - 1099. 364 years before that, in 732, the invading Muslim army was defeated at the Battle of Tours in what is now north central France. They had crossed the Mediterranean Sea and invaded Iberia in 711 so it was only 21 years until they crossed the Pyrenees Mountains and invaded France.

    During the Crusades, the Christian armies were called "Franks" by the Muslims. The Franks, of course, were the ones who had defeated them at the Battle of Tours. So these cowardly swine are not trying to right the wrongs of the Crusades, they are trying to get revenge for their defeat 364 years earlier at the Battle of Tours! I guess they believe they should have won that battle and conquered all of Europe in the 8th Century. Obviously, they will never stop trying until they are eliminated from the planet entirely."
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  • Posted by khalling 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    looking at the past few terrorist attacks, they were performed by well-two British citizens on the 293 deaths from the russian plane (why is no one outraged by that attack?!) Jihad John was a british native
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  • Posted by khalling 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    yea, lucky-we've been in this war since the Barbary pirates. It ain't working out. Iran held hostages for a year in 1979 and we just struck an ugly trade deal with them-giving them much needed cash to kill us. we had 2 Bush wars, ahmm, and a peace war with Clinton. who do we bomb next and then let them make their own theocracy after?
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It's now commonly referred to as "Dearbornistan". Henry Ford must be turning over in his grave at 78 speed...
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