Situation in Paris
If you haven't noticed yet... 3 (apparently) coordinated attacks in Paris - one at a soccer match, one at a restaurant, one at a metal concert. Currently the stadium is still pretty locked down, and the rock concert is a hostage situation. Um, make that 4. Add a shopping center to the list. LeHalle. Happens to be at a major rail hub. And it's in an area known to be an al queda stronghold in Paris.
Once again... Radicals V. Rationals. And the US hides its head in the sand, asking for more refugees... so we can be as European as Europe. Um Hmm...
Once again... Radicals V. Rationals. And the US hides its head in the sand, asking for more refugees... so we can be as European as Europe. Um Hmm...
What does that even mean? What's wrong with eradicate?
Well, we can all sleep well tonight for tomorrow President Obama is flying off to deal with the more immediate threat of Climate Change.
- he refuses to name Islamic radicals as terrorists
- he continually calls Islam the "religion of peace"
- he re-tasked NASA and set their first priority as Muslim outreach
- he has repeatedly met with CAIR - a pro-Islamic front group
- he has continually pushed for the Iran deal despite the fact that the Iranians are the #1 sponsors of world terror and wholly a Muslim nation run by religious leaders
- his administration was quick to blame Benghazi on a Youtube video when he knew it was a terrorist attack
- the first 10,000 Syrian refugees he brought into the country were predominantly young men 18-33 - not women, children, or the elderly.
- and lots more. I could go on and on.
The man speaks in opposites so frequently that most of the statements he makes are rather chilling. When he says "'contained," I hear "the way is now open for them."
stronger.....we have contained them." If anyone should be contained, it's him, in a
cage!!
h WH demented dude
Just read it. I agree with Steyn's-- EVERYTHING!
http://www.steynonline.com/7293/the-b...
some years ago when I would listen to Limbaugh Mark would host the show and I was hooked on him.
Yeah....that's rich...
This kind of thing will be happening on our soil soon - just a prediction. I hope I'm wrong. I wouldn't be surprised if I media barely covers it if it does, too.
Collectivists are evil in that they want to take your money. These people are far, far worse.
An educated guess, extrapolating from facts I'd say. At least if you are working under the assumption that all these "random" and "isolated" incidents really aren't.
I'd say your "prediction" is right on the money.
Jan, lookin' fer angels now
And for the scum who think they can do this here, to you we will sing a favorite children's ditty -
You think that you can terrorize
like monkeys slinging evil
But we are armed, so try it here...
"POP" go you weasels
And one of the problems I see is that to a Muslim, their religion IS their politics. There is no live-and-let-live in their mind and their holy book (read it) even says so multiple times. It is probably the one and only religion for which I would make an exception on First Amendment grounds and solely because it is because they are willing and able to enforce their intolerance by the sword.
I actually talked to a young man several times who used to be with the PLO. He was a part of the propaganda wing (rather than the military wing), but he said that that was one of the things Islam had over the rest of the world: the rest of the world just refused to come to grips with the notion that these people were willing to die for their religion - just as long as they could take out someone else on the way. I think we - as the Western World - need to come to grips with this very notion: that while the idea of tolerance is fine and noble, there are some things you just can not tolerate at all.
Does Merkel have her feet up too?
‘You were given the choice between war and dishonour.
You chose dishonour, and you will have war.”"
these mindless poor excuses for humans are still in the 7th century and it matters not what is done short of getting rid of them they will not stop because that is how they are directed by the mullahs.
I agree that EDUCATED people can be rational. the muslims are neither people or educated and that is where you refuse to go. number one you may not remember my background of growing up next to a sirian community in Brooklyn and number two I strongly recommend "the foreign policy of self interest" by Peter Schwartz a student as well as friend of Ayn Rand. he deals with the muslim situation in depth and one does learn from the book. where is the outrage from the muslims about other muslims doing these things. it isn't because they bow to the mullahs with out questioning what is done. for wortld piece they must be done away with. the sooner the better.
In ANY conflict where we aren't prepared to go that far and stay the course -- even against the opposition of the American people -- we shouldn't fight at all, because it is a complete waste of American blood and treasure.
The Roman Republic may have had the right idea. Whenever they started a war, they appointed a dictator to lead it.
There are an estimated 1.6 billion Muslims on earth out of a total population of about 7 billion give or take. And those who by polling who agree with the tenets of Islam and support terrorism are about 1/2 of these. I don't know about you, but that's a lot of people who you aren't going to be able to reason with - a lot of people for whom the only answer is the sword.
I don't fault you for wanting to talk to them, but the first thing that will have to take place before that will be possible is to put them in a position where they are forced to come to grips with the evil that is the religion of coercion. And for many, that wont take place until many around them are dead.
I don't support going into the Middle East, guns blazing, just so you know. But I also don't support bringing them here to our nation, where they refuse to live by our standards and ideals.
The communication from Isis is now stating that they want American blood and soon will have it...
Now, Paris under curfew for the first time since WWII.
Above and beyond this tragedy and how it too will change the World like 9/11 has, I am by no means confident that we can face these changes with any modicum of reason with the "Zero" we have leading us and responding to this world crisis.
Maybe this tragedy will prevent another one- here.
Susanne that "maybe this tragedy will prevent
another one - here." We should be so fortunate
and that's what I meant by "from your lips to
GOD's ears" = and hope HE hears you!!
The DOHS has not been really tested yet but I don't have a very high opinion from what they have done so far.
young men aged 18-35.
Not women, children, or the elderly, but the very age groups that sympathize with terrorists all over the world.
Thanks, State Department!
and most likely of Islamic religion?
This would present a different picture than a, let's say, multi-generational full-blooded British citizen.
Well, we didn't have the atomic bomb yet either. The development came later on the race to invent something powerful enough to keep from continuing to lose several more 100's of thousands of our soldiers to the Japanese. That invention led to where we are today with nuclear power and is one of the reasons we are in this mess in the first place since we are constantly harassing, as we should, Iran over their attempt to develop one of their own. Now, you either drop another one or two or three and risk creating total world chaos because that very act would trigger the beginning of a disintegration of any world order. And because that is the only way to get it over with without dragging it out with continued horrifying attacks from both sides.
Now, if you think 9/11 and the Russian plane bombing and the Paris attacks are worth killing millions more to "take it to their asses until they surrender..."
It is never wrong to contemplate the collateral damage to such an action. I respect Khalling for her concern for such a volatile situation and I repeat that it does not have an apparent answer. Now, you can take that to mean what you declare is, and I paraphrase here," a pansy ass response and that nobody is interested in fairness or changing hearts and minds." Well then I am certainly guilty.
-It was not declared immediately a terrorist attack, in fact, there seemed a reluctance to even suggest it. Only after almost a week did they rule that it was indeed a bomb planted by Isis. And, by that time, the momentum of the tragedy was lost -as far as the news goes.
-Russia never really made a statement to the world on this atrocity. It was as though it was, "no big deal" for the Russians. I kept waiting to see an aggressive and angry response from Putin... did I miss something?
-Russia had been sanctioned by Syria to bomb there and this move was not supported by the US-European/Western Allies. Maybe, at that time, this was a way for the US and Europe to turn a cold shoulder to the Russians? Like,"You're on your own here buddy." I hate to think this but there could be some truth here?
P.S. I just made my first post, "The Crusades vs Islam"
Oh yeah, Obama says he won't call Allande at this time... Nothing like showing some forward leaning, dude.
My concern... if this thing is growing in Paris, and is that coordinated, it could spread as Friday night spreads...
And to add to the insanity... Allande is just now working to take steps to close the border... like closing the barn door...
The count now of the dead stands at 158.
OTOH... there's a reason we left the 'urbs... kinda glad I don't live in a big city.
The Qu'ran is a book not of stories but of commands as to what to believe, how to behave, and rules for tribal society. Primary among these is the call to kill or subjugate infidels. Every word of the Qu'ran is regarded by the faithful as the direct, unassailable word of Allah. Any person who would advocate to change any one word or interpretation is subject to prosecution as an apostate and punishment of death under the sharia.
There is no dinner table discussion in families about this. Family members who question the faith are frequently ratted out by other family members and often severely punished or killed. This is considered as a family strengthening policy.
Islam is a culture of death enforced by a culture of fear that will NEVER reform itself.
What to do? Western societies should band together and deport ALL Muslims outside of western civilization, cut off ALL trade, deny them technology and all the benefits of civilization that they have been enjoying. Only then will Islam perhaps reform itself and only then should they be considered for membership in civilized society. If this seems radical, consider that Muhammed's armies surrounded infidel city-states and, driving to the center, left nothing alive.
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2015/11/j...
"The first Crusade is given the time frame of 1096 - 1099. 364 years before that, in 732, the invading Muslim army was defeated at the Battle of Tours in what is now north central France. They had crossed the Mediterranean Sea and invaded Iberia in 711 so it was only 21 years until they crossed the Pyrenees Mountains and invaded France.
During the Crusades, the Christian armies were called "Franks" by the Muslims. The Franks, of course, were the ones who had defeated them at the Battle of Tours. So these cowardly swine are not trying to right the wrongs of the Crusades, they are trying to get revenge for their defeat 364 years earlier at the Battle of Tours! I guess they believe they should have won that battle and conquered all of Europe in the 8th Century. Obviously, they will never stop trying until they are eliminated from the planet entirely."
ISIS is saying that the attacks were in retaliation for intervention in Syria and Iraq. Victims have long memories. Now France and the US will gear up to intervene even more, and we get into a situation where WWIII starts.
Even the worst dictators convince themselves that their war mission is justified, if not noble. The talk of compromise between two versions of government intervention is only a matter of “my authoritarianism” versus “your authoritarianism.”
I think the US needs to get its nose out of the 900+ military bases it has in 140+ nations and let the folks in those places go fight among themselves. After all, reports are that ISIS and Al Qaeda.are already fighting each other.
But, I bet this will escalate and the top 25 military equipment supplier will love it. Retaliation will come to our shores again. Time to move to some place safer.
Every century or so since then, the Muslims have attempted to complete their conquest, and each time one European monarch or another has managed to stop them. To try to paint their latest pageant of blood as a result of "Western aggression" is, quite frankly, BS!
I believe it expresses exactly your point.
See under "New" category "History"
The Crusades have nothing to do with it. Islam's call to the faithful to kill or subjugate infidels and establish a world caliphate is the problem.
Going back to years before the Crusades does not help, in my opinion, today because we humans have learned a lot during the interim period.
In any event, since the policy followed for a thousand years has not changed, and since we are now 1,000 years later during which the Christians changed somewhat, I think we need to look at different tactics. We need to act more like our cousins the bobono than chimps.
History.
If you would like to see what you are stating confirmed in a video I just posted go to "New" "Crusades vs Islam" category "History".
I think you might find it interesting.
Fundamentally, I agree with many of your comments but the truth is built upon brick by brick and if the house of truth is to be able to stand it requires that every brick be in place. Even one brick in the wrong place will erode the truth.
-The French opted to bomb on their own. They did not confer with "O", actually it was more a slap in the face to Washington.
On the Crusades and Islam some of your statements are not factual:
-it is about European invasion by Islamic jihadists and not vice versa.
-it did start with the Islamic invasions and after with European retaliation.
-there is no historical truth that Islamists are the victims with the right to avenge
I agree that it would be ideal if the Islamic nations would expiate their own sins/failings and not export them, transfer them to the responsibility of other nations. They should close their borders and either decimate each other or agree to what differences they accept to honor. Either way, the Western world would come out a winner.
I by no means want a WWIII. I agree with you on this and I agree that the situation is highly volatile. However, the more truth we know, the more we can understand, the better decisions we make.
I understand what you are trying to say and we agree on many of these points.
We are in Arica, Chile, and were watching CNN Chile when the news hit saying Paris had at least 3 explosions with 16 known dead. This was within an hour of when they occurred
Should the Muslim "strong horse" decide the only way to subjugate Israel is to eliminate its Western allies, the attacks on Europe and the Americas will only step up, regardless what we do. This is a war of civilization against barbarism, and standing on the sidelines will only make you one of the innocent bystanders (or "collateral damage" as it's called in the military).
It would be like this so-called Islamic State Caliphate, once they had the military might, deciding they owned the southeast corner of the USA and declaring eminent domain on it, calling it "New Mecca", and then sending every Islamist that does not strictly follow their brand of Islam to it. Make it a Muslim Homeland. And then arming them to the teeth, and providing military might to kick the ass of the rest of the USA because we didn't agree with it, and wanted to push these "newcomers" back into the sea.
Ignore history if you will, but the worst, most backward elements of Islam are on the ascendant, and are already promising they intend to see all Americans forced to submit to the will of Allah. When someone tells me he intends to kill me, I tend to take him seriously.
Yes, some tactics have changed as in instead of visible invading armies, the Mohammedans are using more infiltration and terror tactics. This tactic is actually made easier by the West's adherence to, among other things, false doctrines such as "political correctness" and multiculturalism. The jihadists use these doctrines as "Trojan horses" to get behind the walls of Western Civilization and bring it down.
What I would like to see is to dull the axe they have to grind by us getting out of their hair, but letting them know harm a hair on the head of western people and they die.
But, the tactic I think has to change is we (we = US in this context even though I am in Chile) have to stop interfering in their politics. 100 years ago, there was no Iraq and no Israel. The mideast is not a US problem. Time to bring our military home.
I personally think obliterating enemies is the only workable solution but am willing to listen to other options at this point. Though if personally threatened I will take as many with me as possible.
For Chilean civil society, which has longtime experience with US interventionism going way back to the dark days of the Augusto Pinochet military dictatorship, the Concón base raises eyebrows. Human rights groups charge that the actual design of the base - which simulates an urban zone with eight buildings as well as sidewalks and roads - suggests that the Chilean military is interested in repressing protest. According to United Press International, Concón "is growing into a major destination for regional military trainers and defence industry contractors".
The facility is run by the US Southern Command, headquartered in Miami, Florida. The US, which, ever since the nationalist/populist regime of Rafael Correa booted Washington out of its base in Manta, Ecuador,(I think a good move even though I do not like Correa) the US has been on a quest to find alternative sites in South America.
When they do, if it follows the Manta example, areas of the sea become off limits to local fisherman (as one example) and they blame the US. Locals have uncomfortable memories of US-backed military dictatorship, and do not look fondly upon the intrusion.
So what to do? I think Ron Paul is on the right track. In his recent book he outlines it pretty well.
http://www.jpost.com/page.aspx?articl...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Sk...
I would also surmise that of course ISIS would regard Irma as anything but "sweet," and would seek to kill her, and all the other Irmas.
That's why they struck Les Halles, in addition to its sheer size and, more to the point, the size of the crowds it regularly draws.
ISIS, like Al Qaeda and more, is not a Nation, it's just a horde of renegades. In this world where we're accustomed to Nations making wars, this seems bewildering. If this is a trigger for WW3, then Obama has an excuse to cancel or suspend the 2016 election. OMGoodness!
--- Frank Herbert, from "Dune"