A tiny garage aircraft for the present, if you're wealthy?

Posted by johnpe1 8 years, 5 months ago to Technology
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now THIS would make a trip to the beach more fun!!! -- j
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  • Posted by JCLanier 8 years, 5 months ago
    The TFX in your video is a real beauty, much more so than their current "Transition" model that is a little corny looking.
    At the proposed price of a luxury car the TFX is a real deal. But with 8-12 years still to go in making it to the market who knows what restrictions the government might apply by then. They are already looking into drone restrictions.

    Very interesting- thanks!
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    • Posted by term2 8 years, 5 months ago
      I agree about the government stepping in and stopping it. Too bad really- inventors might just solve the problems and things would work OK if left alone. The first mid-air collision would set the government in high gear to forbid this, tho.
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      • Posted by JCLanier 8 years, 5 months ago
        Term2: True. We know the government will step in and most likely kill the chance that this concept can "take off" (pun intended).
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        • Posted by term2 8 years, 5 months ago
          Would be cool if an antigravity device was developed, but this would probably be some sort of perpetual motion machine and therefore physically impossible. But maybe not...... On the other hand what would keep it down when you wanted it down- or would it just fly away into space and be forever lost.
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          • Posted by JCLanier 8 years, 5 months ago
            Term2: What about turning off the antigravity device :)... There are a lot of people I'd like to see with an antigravity device that could cause them to disappear into oblivion!
            Dangerous and could back fire so better left out of the equation. A man can dream though...
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            • Posted by term2 8 years, 5 months ago
              maybe anti gravity could be adjustable so you could go up and down. Sometimes gravity is a pain in the ass, but other times its nice ! Going up stairs when in 1/4 gravity sounds cool to me.
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              • Posted by $ Susanne 8 years, 5 months ago
                Not anti-gravity but more like an apparent mass reduction device... it's related to the artificial gravity systems on board sci-fi spaceships. Too much of either - you'd either be flattened to your component atoms, or, well actually, because air pressure is a function of the weight of air (eg gravity) you would either be sucked into hard vacuum where you stand, or again, mashed like a bug. You want to reduce the apparent mass of the subject relative to whatever it is near, so the forces of gravity relative between the 2 bodies are reduced - but not within the bodies themselves (otherwise, well... kablewie on an atomic, or possibly subatomic scale).

                These aren't insurmountable problems, but ones that have to be worked out before we can go playing with the forces of Physics... And will likely be necessary if we ever expect to explore, in person, some of the larger, denser, and much higher-gravitationally enabled planets.
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  • Posted by JCLanier 8 years, 5 months ago
    Johnpe1: Interesting comments and now I'm thinking: "Uber Air" -We pick you up (car) and we fly you the distance (plane) and drop you at the door of your destination (car)! Now this could make somebody some $$$. You just need a small fleet in the right area.
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  • Posted by $ Susanne 8 years, 5 months ago
    I want one too... better, I don't think it will be as expensive as one would think, only because the technology is already pretty much there. Maybe along the same lines as a Tesla... Expensive for a car, but cheap for an airplane. The Cessna 172 of the future... Better than a 172 because you don't need a runway to take off or land. If Unca Sam doesn't come in and regulate it to death it is an attainable, reachable product.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 8 years, 5 months ago
    This ain't gonna happen. Wing loading impossibly high, rotors insufficient diameter to deliver thrust from a megawatt power system, ducted fan system too short to deliver concentrated thrust. It sucks to be an aerodynamicist, since reality spoils all the neat concepts.
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    • Posted by JCLanier 8 years, 5 months ago
      Dr.Z: You dream buster! You really do not think this concept prototype will make it into viable production? Ahhh but it is a thang of beauty! Both the machine and the concept.
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  • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 8 years, 5 months ago
    Actually,I kind of prefer this one. Hirobo BIT.

    http://www.technologicvehicles.com/en...
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    • Posted by JCLanier 8 years, 5 months ago
      AJAshinoff: But the video doesn't actually show this one man machine in action. Interesting though. There was a comical review on that site and I quote it here since it's worth a laugh:

      "I can think of a few people I'd like to be test pilots."
      "Hope it doesn't use Windows based avionics and flight controls - that is if one values being the pilot from takeoff to landing. Mid flight ransomware - no thanks."

      Hahaha -you got that right baby!!
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  • Posted by $ jlc 8 years, 5 months ago
    This is neat - I needed something neat this morning! If this is completely computer controlled, then the FAA would just have to establish general corridors that were reserved for these craft, and they could fly helter-skelter in those areas, using computerize avoidance technology (like the Google ground cars do).

    It seems a bit unreasonable insofar as power management is concerned, but the other Gulchers do not have a problem with that...

    Sigh. A flying car. Now all I need is effective FTL.

    Jan
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    • Posted by 8 years, 5 months ago
      I looked up FTL and found zillions of translations --
      the neatest::: Faster Than Light, followed by
      Free Talk Live and Flying Tiger Line ... ? -- j
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      • Posted by $ jlc 8 years, 5 months ago
        Effective Faster than Light. Since we cannot actually go faster than light in the real space-time continuum, the shortcut for talking about this is to add the word 'effective' which indicates, "I get to my destination faster than it would have taken light to get there. So what if I took a shortcut through another dimension via a wormhole...don't bother me with petty details." In order to play out any Star Trek type scenarios you have to include some form of EFTL.

        Jan, Flying Tiger Line is good too (!)
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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 5 months ago
    The amazing power of CGI.

    This will probably never happen, in my lifetime at least. Imagine the threat of aerial crashes that would be inevitable as the skies were filled with these things. Government would step in and never permit these. Already they are trying to stop drones (except for military purposes of course) by passing laws about maximum height and speed.
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    • Posted by $ root1657 8 years, 5 months ago
      Actually the sky would be safer than the highway, particularly with the machines doing the 'driving'. Also, the sky is a big place. I once hears someone say that if you took every single car in a typical LA rush hour, and put em in the air, there wouldn't need to be any car closer than one mile to the next. It didn't make a lot of sense to me until I started to learn about how congestion works in computer networks, but now I get it. By having each car being able to go from source to destination more quickly, you can move the same number of cars in the same amount of time faster because each one isn't in the air as long. There are also many many more slightly different paths for them to take... I would roll out from my garage, take off from my culdesac without ever going onto all the connecting roads, merge into traffic going the same general direction (which is how airspace works now) and then split off to land on the top level of my work parking structure, which I don't remember ever seeing a car parked on.... The car folds up and goes to park on a lower level, leaving the roof open for the next guy. At the end of the day, even if the whole garage was taking off, it would still be faster than waiting for the light at the corner that jams all of us now. As you approach the exit (the roof in this case) the car would unfold, and when you are 'next in line' would spin up. After the other guy flies away, it waits a few seconds for safe distance, then also takes off, turning in a slightly different direction than he went to give additional separation, and moving to traffic heading the same general direction. Near home it again splits off the traffic pattern, and descends to the culdesac, folds up, and rolls into the garage. Because my trip was quicker, and on a slightly different path than my imaginary neighbor who live next door and works in the next building, it reduces the amount of time each of us was using airspace. Multiply those saved minutes across the whole city, and it is actually a huge improvement in congestion, without even considering that in the air there is a traffic lane every 500 vertical feet. Considering most helicopters like to fly between 300 and 3000 ft, that right there is 5 different traffic systems... so just dividing the existing traffic to 5 levels you can already see how much space there is just over the top of existing roads.

      The one part of that I can see causing a huge heartache for the gov is that because I never went on a public street (the home owners association pays totally for our culdesac) I can file for no tax on the fuel I used. I'd expect to see a new tax structure on aviation fuels if this becomes a thing.
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      • Posted by term2 8 years, 5 months ago
        The idea is cool. I do wonder about the congestion in practice though. I can see it working in suburban areas, but what about a world trade center roof. I heard that 40,000 people worked there. 5pm would be interesting- even if the number was 10,000. If the car/planes talked to each other and were essentially autonomous, accidents could be curtailed I think. Its just the quantity of them in the cities that would make me wonder. Not saying it cant be done, but it seems very difficult
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        • Posted by $ root1657 8 years, 5 months ago
          You can only really compare it with the cars that are already there, so I think it still works. The people at the trade center don't all drive, many take the trains that go right into the building. Of the many thousand people in the building, and the buildings around it, how many drive, and where do they park their cars now? I know many of those buildings have underground parking, but this just means we need a small spot for them to take off once they reach the surface, which would be easy since it looks like this thing could take off from right in traffic if it had to. Could be a simple as the video shows, from the trade center you drive a block of two to one of the many existing helicopter spots they have already in Manhattan... so that use case is already covered. It still means that car didn't have to use a bridge/tunnel to get off Manhattan, and so reduces the congestion while making a shorter commute for the passengers.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 8 years, 5 months ago
    While it flew over water I wondered if it would also become a boat.
    Last night while channel surfing during Fox News commercials, I saw a car become a submarine in that Despicable Me 2 cartoon movie.
    Wonder if we will ever have a car that can fly, float and even submerge. .
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    • Posted by term2 8 years, 5 months ago
      the submarine/car thing is likely, although of a lot less utility where bodies of water were not close. With the advent of microprocessors, cheap storage, sensors of all types- its certainly possible. Communication between submarines to avoid collisions might be difficult though.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 5 months ago
    One of the few times I could get the movie to run. WHAT is the insurance going to be on that for rear enders in city traffic? On the other hand why think why think city to city. 500 range@200 mph call it 400 with three daily flight segments of 1200 total. Three days across the USA with a good nights sleep in between. We need M.J. Fox to start thinking Back To The Present in a few years!!!
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    • Posted by JCLanier 8 years, 5 months ago
      MichaelA: Interesting ideas. Now you have a serious point about the insurance. I would wager exorbitant. I'm curious how it might be applied. In increments of number of flight trips? Some might actually fly only once a month while others might fly daily. Interesting.
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  • Posted by Temlakos 8 years, 5 months ago
    This is the sort of aircraft Dwight Sanders would invent in an "updated" big- or small-screen version of AS. This is the aircraft of choice for Ragnar Danneskjöld's ship, and for the Galt's Gulch Sea-Air-Land Militia. All it needs are pontoons to make her water-worthy, and you have an excellent rescue or special-ops vehicle.
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    • Posted by JCLanier 8 years, 5 months ago
      Temlakos: Great idea! Just think how John Galt could drive up talk to the Producer of choice and then disappear with them into thin air!!
      You know that the use of this prototype in the TV series (near future part) would be great publicity for the producers of the TFX.
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      • Posted by Temlakos 8 years, 5 months ago
        Bear in mind that in the second installment of the Aglialoro franchise, John Galt flew a VTOL jet aircraft. The Terrafugia TF-X is also a VTOL. In fact it is a classic tiltrotor, not too much different from an MV-22 Osprey. And cruises about as fast as one, too.
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        • Posted by JCLanier 8 years, 5 months ago
          Temlakos: Do you fly?
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          • Posted by Temlakos 8 years, 5 months ago
            No, I don't. I often wish I had. But I never could afford a private aircraft, nor had any reason to fly privately. Of course, that didn't stop me from researching flight, military and civilian, and thinking of the possibilities of the aircraft types I mentioned.
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            • Posted by JCLanier 8 years, 5 months ago
              Temlakos: They are beautiful machines. And the majesty of being in a small plane among the clouds is unparalleled. I do not have a pilot license for small craft but I do have friends that do and I go up with them when I can. I am currently in the process of obtaining my paragliding certification but I still have another level to go to be able to fly solo.
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