Since the intelligent folks of Nevada reelected him in 2012, I choose not to spend a dime of my hard earned cash in Nevada and have encouraged my family and friends to do likewise.

One has a very hard time getting the facts when the ones reporting them keep changing what was reported and admit they were wrong in the initial report. Do you have access to statistics more accurate than those reported by the Secretary of HHS, who admitted they were wrong?

All of the stories I have cited here are from left leaning newspapers. Your turn

http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/art...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonk...


http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/07/us/pol...

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/14/nyregi...

It is not an opinion it is a fact. This law has been a colossal mess from the start. The problems with the website are just a side show. I have listened to and talked to many who have been adversely affected. Sign up numbers have been disappointing according to the White House. The numbers just don't add up and the tax payer is on the hook for this monster. Get some rest.

In my opinion calling everyone here "ignorant bullies who have nothing more than propaganda to work with" would be name calling. Would that be sort of a pot and kettle thing?

Your response was to call us narrow minded. Is that name calling?

Fair enough, and that's your opinion. However, as I've already stated, if we are to use the media to as proof of fact, then I can provide you all with an equal number of "reports" that completely tell a different story. Am I to believe that republican media is somehow telling the truth, while the democratic media is completely lying? Find the stats. Where do you have proof that the sign up numbers are false? The media, or the actual data from a real data source? It is your opinion that "Obamacare" is a disaster; however, others have benefited already from it. So blowing off steam, sure, but inflaming issues and accusing people of being "spies" (see dbhalling post) really makes you all out to be ignorant bullies who have nothing more than propaganda to work with. My original post was questioning exactly that, "the Virtual Gulch" doesn't really come close to the vision of the "Gulch"

Meanwhile, I'm going to leave you all to your opinions as I've just come home from a 12 hour over night shift (spying on republicans cause they're so interesting), and I need to get some rest. You all enjoy your opinions and be sure never to duscuss anything other than your opinions, I'll be sure to keep mine to myself, as opinions, in this thread at least, are clearly only welcome if you're anti-everything that's not republican.

I think that actually makes him an ass hat so its really not name calling.

maybe I don't understand what you're asking-but embedded in the article is video of Reid making the comments. Why do we have to get into his head why he lied. It's obvious. There are overwhelming stories from people who actually supported the ACA and are denied coverage, forced to change doctors and hospitals, are put into situations where they pay so much more now under the exchanges. Do you expect on this thread that it is the responsibility of the poster and commenters to go find all of these cases (which many are already posted in here) and prove Reid wrong? It is Reid's burden of proof in making his statement. Please note he does not cite one shred of evidence for HIS claim.

Real people have come forward and told their stories. They make up the statistics. Their stories are compelling but Harry Reid has chosen to ignore them because of his ideology. Why would you ask for statistics when you can listen to the actual people who are having their lives turned upside down as a result of this law?

I am the one who called him an ass hat. My friends life was threatened and she was in hiding. The authorities, which she had contacted and that was made clear to the senator, could do nothing because at that point is was a threat, she nor her husband had yet been attacked. After clearly explaining all this to the senator he made a flippant remark and left. That is a fact. So my name calling stands.

You prove my point you don't discuss facts you avoid the issue being discussed. You are wrong about this site being a conservative republican website.

Since you are suggesting that Reid did not say them and people have provided evidence, the burden is on you to back you statement with some evidence. Again you have avoided the issue.

He's a politician which by most people's definition makes him nothing but a liar. Therefore if you basically believe the opposite of everything he says you are going to be pretty close most of the time.

Harry Reid called people suffering from cancer and other serious illnesses liars. That type of name calling should stop. People commenting on this thread are blowing off a little steam and stating their opinions. I have nothing against that. It isn't propaganda to say that Obamacare is a disaster. Many of the sign up numbers have been proven to be false. People I know have lost insurance they liked. these are not minor inconveniences. This law has to be repealed.

it's not. some people are afraid they are going to catch tea party like the mumps

Why Reid felt he could say such a generalizing statement? Here is one why: Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals under tactics: 5. "Ridicule is man's most potent weapon. It is almost impossible to counteract ridicule. Also it infuriates the opposition, which then reacts to your advantage."

so you see my post about the woman living off the grid and fighting with city authorities as conservative leaning? lol You'll be happy to know that my conservative friends on this site will be the first to tell you that they do not consider me a good conservative

Agreed, and what you've now written isn't necessarily inconsistent.

My initial comments were based on what I read in this thread which didn't provide a single shred of fact to make claim that what Reid is saying is so utterly offensive. All I read was garbage that one can find on any ignorant facebook post, or I hate to say it, any narrow minded extremist right-wing website.

My follow up comments, were 1) to defend myself from those who claim to be objective, and 2) to ask for a real conversation about comments such as these. My bringing up of other politicians was simply to point out that Reid isn't the only one saying things that can be considered ridiculous, and I wanted to hear something more educated that "he's an idiot" or "I didn't know the mob hired him". Comments like these are inflammatory and irrelevant and completely discredit the entire Ayn Rand philosophy.

Actually, you're proving my point to be honest. A democratic operative? Seriously? There are so many flaws with what you have written here, but to quickly clarify for you: 1) I am no democrat, and I am no republican, 2) If I am to listen to you, I am clearly correct in my assertions that this is a conservative republican website, 3) and finally, I did not divert the argument in any way, I asked a question based on a comment posed to me. If you actually read what I've written, and stop plucking keywords and fragmented sentences, you'll see that what I am trying to do is discuss Reid's actual comments, and I am asking for actual statistical information that would warrant the others to pass judgement upon those who disagree with them.

I know many here are well read, it's partly why I am on this site in the first place. I've also read the books, AS, Fountain Head, and Anthem and I respect your comments.

However, my comments are specifically about the comments in this thread, not necessarily whether or not Reid is right in his statement. So I am questioning the quality of the comments as they seem to be nothing more than a spewing of venom rather than an actual discussion of facts. For example, instead of name calling such as "he's an idiot" or "Ass Hat" maybe we discuss why Reid felt he could say such a generalizing statement. Does he have evidence to back that up? If so what is it, does it prove his argument, or does it prove the contrary?

Maybe I jumped the gun on questioning my place in the Virtual Gutch, as I have not been able to read every thread as of yet; however, the email I have today from the Gulch provides me with exactly 5 comment threads, all of which seem highly lopsided and extreme right wing conservative. Ultimately, this is the thread I clicked on, and it is far from objective.

I am not defending the Republicans. Harry Reid said something offensive and ridiculous. We have to point these things out as they happen. We can't go down the list of every political idiot on every post. Not sure how this is inconsistent with objectivism???

You argue just like a democratic operative. You don't deal in logic and facts, but innuendo and ad hominem attacks. You accuse everyone of group think. You divert the issue by talking about Boehner, McConnell, Cantor. You suggest that Reid is not the source of all the US's problems, but no one said that.

You could teach the Jay Carney school on how to give a press conference.

Its the narrow minded comments in this thread that make me think the Virtual Gultch is nothing more than blinded group thinkers who base arguments off nothing more than the O'Reily Factor.

Again, I am commenting about the comments in this thread...I'm not sure how I haven't made that clear, but maybe reread my original post?

If you want to push the website that you watched this video on, then I would have to say the statistics are more in Reid's favor than those that are not. However, I rarely agree with any sort of blanket statement or generalization, because any policy change will inherently create problems for some, while benefiting others. Check the statistics - real statistics, not lopsided media vitriol. Simply calling Reid an "idiot" doesn't really solve anything, and frankly makes the name caller equally as idiotic. Honestly, for every right-winged website posted against "Obamacare" the same can be found on the left countering the argument. So let's start talking facts instead of headlines. Oh and MAYBE, just MAYBE stop calling people names as that really doesn't get us anywhere.