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Probing Analysis of the Moral Justifications for the Welfare State

Posted by dbhalling 9 years, 5 months ago to Books
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(Book Review) This is probably the best and most detailed analysis of the moral justifications for the welfare state. Exactly what one would expect from Dr. Kelley, one of today’s leading philosophers. I particularly enjoyed the history of private philanthropy. Kelley shows that the welfare state was not a response to inadequacies of private philanthropy, but derives from the idea that people had right to be free from the restraints of reality. According to this idea, people should not be constrained by the fact that they have to earn a living or die, or that they get sick or injured, or that they grow old, or that they have to create shelter to live in. An excellent book and a must read for anyone interested in the philosophical underpinnings of the welfare state.

BTW: I find it interesting that Dr. Kelley appears to weigh in on the debate about self-ownership or self-sovereignty inadvertently. A number of times in the book he uses these and similar phrases and even quotes Locke’s idea that we have a property right in ourselves. This issue is an ongoing debate that appears to have been created by Leonard Peikoff’s attack on the idea of self-ownership. Dr. Peikoff’s attack is inconsistent with Rand’s own words on point.


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  • Posted by 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I think you are mistaken. His work on epistemology of the senses is ground breaking. I am not a huge fan of the whole benevolence virtue he pushes. Certainly he is not Ayn Rand, but that does not mean he is not a leading philosopher and I would take Kelley over Piekoff any day.
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  • Posted by wiggys 9 years, 5 months ago
    There is NO moral justification for the welfare state. As for this Kelly fellow being a leading philosopher I do not think so. His teacher was Ayn Rand and he is a perfect example of the student deciding he knows more than the teacher. He doesn't and obviously will never know as much let alone more. His writings will never ever approach Ayn Rand's in popularity.
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  • Posted by jimjamesjames 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    A need does not create an obligation. The attitude (a learned predisposition to respond) to recognize the need and choose a response should be individual, not collective.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I think you would enjoy reading about the history of private philanthropy in the book.

    Dr. Kelley provides a number of practical/legal reasons why government aid is always a poor substitute for private charity.
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  • Posted by Lucky 9 years, 5 months ago
    I have deep reservations about the welfare state but do not (yet) think it should be eliminated completely tho' I have not put the thought into this as have dbh and Kelly. My opposition is from pragmatism rather than first principles.

    I have followed the workings of several societies over the years and what I see is not good and getting worse. It starts off by recognizing that some have real bad luck in disability or employment. Then a safety net is put in, that works fairly well - like welfare and tax rates in Singapore and Hong Kong. Then the amounts go up to enable the disadvantaged to live in dignity, then the eligibility criteria are loosened, then more staff are needed. Then there is a big lobby of state workers advocating for their own career interests. Then living on welfare becomes a lifestyle choice, a career. This tradition, culture, is carried over in families like trade skills. Countries that have high welfare attract migrants who intend to live on it, this is good for careers of the staff.
    So, the costs escalate for several reasons, all next to impossible to control let alone stop. But, it is worse than that- the money to pay for it goes down. As more choose welfare as a lifestyle, so tax revenue goes down.
    Then there are less tangible factors like governments having to raise taxes, or print money.
    All in all, an idea that sounds good and is emotionally appealing, especially at election time, leads to an economic and social downward spiral.

    Can some frugal level be set, like the size of government, and held to?
    Or, once you have a bit, are there are pressures for growth that cannot be resisted at least in democracies?
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  • Posted by 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    unfortunately, the examples are a little dated. But the philosophy and history is great. Although I have to admit the philosophical ground is well worn by me at least.
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