Ben Carson is for a religious theocracy

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Ben Carson is not for freedom, he is for enslaving people and he is not intellectually honest since he thinks "our founders were Christians."
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  • Posted by LibertyBelle 8 years, 5 months ago
    Well, I tried to read the article "Ben Carson is for a
    religious theocracy"; several times I tried, and the
    machine wouldn't show it to me. I saw "Bad Re-
    quest" in the upper left-hand corner. I get pretty
    sick of this Internet.
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  • Posted by $ Radio_Randy 8 years, 5 months ago
    Only a king or queen could force their subjects to abide by a given religious order. Our next President will be a citizen who has lived under "Freedom of Religion" all of their life and couldn't possibly believe that they could change that.
    The ones who are truly considering enslaving us would be the ones who wish to totally disarm us (like in Great Britain and Australia) and it seems that at least one Democratic candidate has already suggested that possibility.
    I'm an Agnostic, yet I still can't seem to see why so many people are afraid of leaders who wish to openly follow their religious beliefs.
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    • Posted by kevinw 8 years, 5 months ago
      Mr Obeyme believes he can change that, although it is questionable how much of his life has been under "freedom of religion".

      To your last question; Leaders who wish to openly follow their religious beliefs cannot do so without imposing their religious beliefs.
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  • Posted by mormovies 8 years, 5 months ago
    He has serious mental issues as well as being a collectivist and a wannabe theocratic dictator. He's an idiot savant who has the skills of a neurosurgeon and the mind of mystic.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 5 months ago
    Fascism is not only the name of a defunct political party in Italy it's a whole philosophy and program of practical application based on socialism.

    Fascism is also a tool used by the left and others. It is not limited to left,right or even politics.

    Fascism means using any and all means necessary to control everything and everybody and make them toe the line to their world and local and universal view..

    So add to your list religious fascists which is exactly the way to describe Shiite Muslims and many other branches and sects of every religious or secular faith. I doubt Carson will get any further than Cain. If the secular fascists don't get him the religious fascists will most certainly play the role of Brutus.
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  • Posted by ProfChuck 8 years, 5 months ago
    Carson is a deeply religious man and he is also an accomplished physician which means he is trained in scientific disciplines. Like Lewis Carrol's Red Queen he appears to be able to hold two seemingly incompatible thoughts in his mind at the same time. When you consider the number of very capable medical institutions that are sponsored by religious organizations this is not uncommon. It may be difficult for an objectivist to comprehend how logical objective reasoning can coexist with religious faith but it happens all the time. Somehow belief and understanding can be combined and form an emulsion not unlike the mixture of oil and water.
    "Believe" is a word I use rarely and with great care but it appears that men like Carson can handle the dichotomy quite well. This opens the question, "Is Objectivism a secular religion?" How much of Objectivism is based on faith and how much on understanding? A is A ... But why?
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    • Posted by kevinw 8 years, 5 months ago
      Interesting point but can men like Carson really handle the dichotomy that well? In the private sector you are "forced" to handle it, as necessary, for your own best interest. IE, handle it wrong, you pay for it. In politics, there is no such restriction/incentive. Can he really keep his religion separate from his politics? He's already waffled on the Kim Davis thing. His religion is becoming a bigger and bigger part of his campaign. When he's called to the mat on some social issue of the day, can he stand up and say "It's none of the government's damn business"? Would he do anything to end the war on drugs? Would he do anything to so slow down the rapidly advancing social programs? Would he de-fund planned parenthood because it is immoral for the government to fund such things or would it be all about the abortion issue? And would that money be returned to it's rightful owners or merely diverted to some other pet social project?

      What is to stop Carson from advancing a theocracy? IE; "faith based initiatives" popular with Reagan and the Bushes. How goes the saying? "When you have faith, anything is possible."

      Judging from a lot of the comments on here, it would seem that a lot of people would Like their objectivism to be based on faith. That doesn't make it so. Or, rather, that doesn't make it Objectivism.
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    • Posted by bsmith51 8 years, 5 months ago
      ...and if it IS, where did IT come from?
      Reminds me of an old Shelley Berman routine:
      This is a glass of water,
      Or is it a glass of water?
      Why is this a glass of water
      Where did it come from?
      Why is it here? ... ad nauseum, until the questioner dies of thirst.
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      • Posted by $ Susanne 8 years, 5 months ago
        It is... that which is. I think it was a fluke of hydrocarbon benzine molecules that were combined with some unstable element (ferminicum? Lawrencium? Maybe # 163 on the not yet completed periodic table) that we are even here, but who was the organic chemist that threw this mess together some 4.3 seconds in their time (or 9 billion years ago our time) that put all this here...

        What if his name was... Gogol Dievid Schmixiv, otherwise known as Gog Dio (by his normal custom), or just God to his drinking buds... in some high school lab, and we're all in some petri dish of a universe waiting our turn in the autoclave...

        Some weirdo 9560 years ago had this insight and said something, and it got convoluted that one had to worship Mr. Schmixiv so he wouldn't dump our petri dish in the autoclave...

        OK, this is absolute nonsense, but how the hell do we know? Serious... this makes as much sense as anything else... so I'll tip a shot of the tequila I'm drinking tonight to Ser Schmixiv... and his lab experiment. I hope he got an A for this. I htink he deserves it. --giggles--
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  • Posted by 8 years, 5 months ago
    From Ben's website: Two of his major issues are abortion and "keeping the faith." https://www.bencarson.com/issues

    Not only is he trying to create a religious theocracy, he is an intellectual light weight in the issue related to being president. If elected he will be a disaster probably worse than the Bush's.
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    • Posted by gaiagal 8 years, 5 months ago
      Preferred to a humanism religious theocracy. Man as God gets to be a bit problematic. If Man is where the buck stops, the highest power...he's the God.

      Also, with a secular humanism religious theocracy, it's more difficult to determine who are the priests running the show. At least if you're going to have a true God driven religious theocracy, technically, the ecclesiastical authorities tend to be in the Priesthood and easily identified.

      The Bushes were definitely disasters. Bushes talked of God, but, certainly didn't act as men of God. Nor as men overflowing with morals and ethics. This, of course, is common for both those who claim a religion and those who disavow them.

      Dr. Carson's statement of "keeping the faith" appears to allow for secular humanism and religions that recognize a God: "Equally, the rights of someone to abstain from private prayer should also be jealously protected."

      I do believe that all men (and I use that term in the most politically incorrect way - to encompass women) are flawed. I prefer a person who respects life (even if it's a mere piece of tissue about to be born,) respects God and follows Natural Law.

      Anyone who wars with, beheads, dismembers or otherwise tramples on another to achieve a goal, religious or otherwise, and declares his actions to be of God...is worshipping a pretender. Anyone who does any of this without invoking God's name but says it's for the "greater good" is still worshipping a pretender.
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  • Posted by bsmith51 8 years, 5 months ago
    Carson is right about a lot of things and wrong about a lot of things. My neuroscience PhD son has pointed out many of the statements about the brain and drugs that Carson has made that were incorrect (surgery and research being two very different practices). Carson is human, flawed, and seeks guidance from a higher power.
    So what?
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    • Posted by TheRealBill 8 years, 5 months ago
      This. I see so many "well he said this thing which is wrong/stupid/not-what-i-know so therefore he is not qualified" comments. I'm not a supporter but the trigger from "OMG he was WRONG" to "OMG he is TERRIBLE" is far to sensitive IMO.

      Being a Republican, and a black one at that, the media holds him to a higher standard. That doesn't mean we should go along with them on it. After all nobody is perfect and nearly all of these have no bearing on his ability to make the decisions a President must make.
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      • Posted by bsmith51 8 years, 5 months ago
        When seeing the term, "not qualified", consider it likely means "no strings attached." This is why so many pundits and political "experts" quickly dismissed Trump's candidacy.
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        • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 5 months ago
          Trump has strings. A lot of them. They all lead back to Trump. One only has to learn to cut apron strings and he has nothing to pull, dangle, mooch or loot. Much less take false credit for doing.
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          • Posted by bsmith51 8 years, 5 months ago
            If one's "strings" lead back to him/her, then that person is pulling his own strings. So I think you're saying that to act in one's own (rational) self interest, one must pull a string that leads to him or her. Is that not the essence of objectivism? Who pulled John Galt's strings? Or is there some new string theory I don't know about?
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  • Posted by bsmith51 8 years, 5 months ago
    I don't see how you come to your conclusion that Carson wants America to scrap the Constitution (which he would have to do) to establish a slavish theocracy.
    However differently they characterized it, most founders did believe in a higher power.
    The essence of what I've heard Carson say and write is that people should have the choice to believe and say what they want without the yoke of political correctness around their necks.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 8 years, 5 months ago
    I sincerely doubt Carson wants to oppress nonbelievers with a theocracy.
    I never met a Christian who wants to shred the Constitution.
    Though Carson is highly intelligent, his recent statement about Biblical Joseph building the pyramids to store grain is mentally way out there lost in wacko land.
    A couple of weeks previously, I received donation snail mail with a dollar in it and Carson stating that his campaigning team "think I am crazy for" sending the dollar to stress a need for contributions or whatever the heck he wrote exactly.
    I sent only the dollar back with a note that I resent being guilt manipulated even by charitable organizations and almost always keep the money.
    I added that I was going to vote for Carson but now that one dollar guilt trip ploy had me swinging back to Trump.
    That wacko statement about Joseph seals the deal.
    And I do still like a couple of other candidates who fail to climb up in the polls.
    That sure does not include weird-eyes Sir Jeb.of the Royal House of Bush.
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  • Posted by $ Susanne 8 years, 5 months ago
    Most of our founding fathers were Christian. That they founded the nation on realism and reason does not negate this.

    What's sad is how people who, for personal reasons, are not Christians, but then skew facts to make a supposition such as "Masons are not Christians" (Most masons I know personally would debate that with you hotly, as one does not preclude the other). That you may choose to be Athiest - or Theist - is your decision... but in declaring those you admire to be exactly as you believe is no different than the "born again" crowd espousing "Believe exactly as I do or you shall burn in hell"...

    I call this group the "born again atheists" because their message - demeaning and degrading what is on someone else's heart - is damned near parroting the arguments and technique borne by the rabid theists.

    When someone comes up off the cuff with "(directed) You cannot be an Objectivist because you are a theist of some sort or the other", you may as well say the opposite is true as well - because you are, indeed, saying that A does not equal A. Be it through pride, or self-righteousness, or even the belief that only your beliefs and thoughts are valid... you are making a supposition that, drawn out to all humanity, does not, no, cannot hold water.

    Sorry. If you're an Atheist, that's fine. If someone else is not, fine. Has no bearing on their perception of the truth or their belief in Objectivity - because to a Theist, Objectivity fits in just as well as it does to an Atheist.

    I know this will prove wildly unpopular to some here - some will likely even attack me for such a radical view. But it is truth. Just like A+A. Objectivity is not some private club - it's just... there. Like the 3rd law of thermodynamics. --shrug--
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    • Posted by $ puzzlelady 8 years, 5 months ago
      Masons, like all other fraternities, affirm a belief in God. Such groups are the epitome of cronyism and collectivism, with the goal of orchestrating social control, from the tiniest towns to the global government.

      Those who claim objectivity along with their mysticism are not objective; they are pragmatic.

      Religiosity, like any belief system, is formed from ideas in human heads. Ideas, like other organic entities, seek to survive and proliferate. True objectivity is the defense against that kind of viral infection. A=A is the epistemological litmus test.

      What humanity has not yet achieved is not to resort to murder when ideas seem to clash. We need that next stage of psycho-epistemological evolution.
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    • Posted by $ Susanne 8 years, 5 months ago
      I find it interesting that here, on this list, we can be so single-mindedly anti-liberty that we can vote down this. I would love to know who did this, but it doesn't matter... you know who you are, hiding behind your keyboard, and honestly - that kind of intolerance will lead to the downfall of our principles. The principles of we who dare to think, to speak our minds.

      I do not expect you to out yourself for down voting me... just as I would not epect libdems to admit they voted to condemn our country. At heart, they are no less destroyers than the Socialists and Leninists - not just self-centered destroyers to the end, but those who would burn our constitution because you think it not exactly as you feel it should be.

      Yeah, I am a Theist. I know you have to hide in the shadows, not because you have a belief in your own structure, but because it's far easier, on the internet, to be a troll stab-and-slasher hiding behind a keyboard than standup for what you believe in, and give a RATIONAL argument to that.

      Hmmm????
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    • Posted by $ blarman 8 years, 5 months ago
      Well said. I find it disappointing that some choose to argue that the Founders were not Christian men, when they most definitively were. And then they get so hung up on it that then they overlook the majesty and brilliance of those men in their conception of the Constitution. Moreso because instead of enshrining what they believed, they left that choice up to every single individual to make and enshrined protections of those very choices as the number one protected right of man. If Christians were such religious zealots bent on world domination through coercion, would they not have taken this singular opportunity to ensconce those very beliefs in the fabric of this nation's inception?

      Yep, I just have to shake my head at the intolerance of some of the people here.
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