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  • Posted by freedomforall 8 years, 6 months ago
    When will Rush state the obvious solution?
    LEAVE THE GOP. Form a new small government pro-liberty party. Leave the "politicians" behind.
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    • Posted by $ 8 years, 6 months ago
      He, like many others, believe in fighting from the inside. The trouble is the GOP elite have a cleat on their throats.
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      • Posted by $ Suzanne43 8 years, 6 months ago
        Absolutely, Rush has fought so hard over the years for the Conservative cause. I listened to him today over the budget mess. He is angry and horrified. The Republicans that were elected to give us a smaller government are now part of the big government problem. The Republicans can't argue against Hillary Clinton and her spending when they have just approved another trillion and a half added to the national debt. The Republicans are no longer just reaching across the aisle, they are there.
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        • Posted by plusaf 8 years, 6 months ago
          Ok, Suzanne, maybe I'll repeat it one more time... or more...

          The DEBT is NOT The Problem. Deficit Spending is the Problem and so long as the US can pay the Interest On The Loans Covering The Debt, we're all OK.

          Proof? The Debt Limit has been approached AND raised over a hundred times since its creation, and we're still here. Only Two Countries have formal Debt Limits, and the US is One Of Them (I believe the other is world-commerce-giant Denmark.)

          So the Debt Limit is really a Red Herring.

          Republicans look to the Bible and God for direction and don't seem to shrink any government programs or agencies, despite all their empty talk.

          Democrats LOVE to see the size of government programs and agencies Increase because they really believe, down wherever their hearts are, that Joe Six-Pack really Needs help from the government to make any kind of social or economic decisions.

          Both sides suck, as far as I can tell, and Both Sides share the 'blame' for "How we got here."

          In terms of last night's Republican Debate, it reminded me of something I said after the Debates of the Last Presidential Election...

          ANY of the Republican candidates might make a good president, but ONLY IF ALL of the Other Candidates were named to the new president's Cabinet.

          None of which will happen.
          Good luck to all of us.
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          • Posted by RevJay4 8 years, 6 months ago
            Luck? We;ll need a lot more than luck to get this nation turned around.
            I agree with you assessment that any one of R candidates might make a good president, but ONLY IF ALL of the others are in the cabinet. If they would let their egos do that sort of thing.
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            • Posted by plusaf 8 years, 6 months ago
              Well, that's one of the biggest IF's in the known universe, isn't it... :)

              Ah, RevJay... are you 'the one in Raleigh'?
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              • Posted by RevJay4 8 years, 6 months ago
                Nope. Although, I'd like to be somewhere south of where I'm at right now, its starting to get cold here. And dark earlier and earlier in the day, sorta like the place where most of this nation seems to have their heads these days.
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      • Posted by wiggys 8 years, 6 months ago
        Either you have not read much of Ayn Rand or you are not remembering what you read. She had written about the decline of the USA since at the least Atlas Shrugged. Limbaugh is a day late and a dollar short. Rand wrote about both parties equally showing how destructive each IS!
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      • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 6 months ago
        So the leftist figured out how to control the 500 pound gorilla? What a sad sad ending Let's see the chain of command would be Establishment Aristocracy = socialists = dinos = democrats = rinos = Rush. how about the real repubicans? Are their any?
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    • Posted by bsmith51 8 years, 6 months ago
      No. You must personally in and in large numbers change your local, state and national GOP. That means you have to personally take action, starting at your local Republican headquarters. It takes time and effort, and there will be no thanks for it. But it CAN be done. The radicals learned this lesson long ago.
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      • Posted by freedomforall 8 years, 6 months ago
        The GOP has been corrupt for 155 years since its inception despite numerous attempts to reform. The voters have to abandon it, or the power and corruption will continue. Power corrupts; no one is immune.
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        • Posted by bsmith51 8 years, 6 months ago
          Human nature invites corruption in any organization. Either way, you must overcome it. Starting over might make you feel good but it will be as effective as pushing on a rope.
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          • Posted by freedomforall 8 years, 6 months ago
            Conservatives must finally learn from past experience. The GOP is corrupt to the core and has been that way since 1860. If you want to keep the status quo then repeat the same failures of the past. Your argument can't be supported.
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            • Posted by bsmith51 8 years, 6 months ago
              My argument is that every organization is subject to corruption because every organization has people in it. What makes you believe that an organization you start and grow won't be subject to corruption?
              Any organization can be changed. But it takes leadership, not followership. Re-fighting the Civil War and/or punishing the GOP over the war's origins is absurd. That ended 150 years ago.
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              • Posted by freedomforall 8 years, 6 months ago
                Of course a new organization would be subject to corruption, but the GOP is already filled with it. The corruptors would have to start over, and without controlling the inner circle it would be much easier to put safeguards in place. That would be impossible in the GOP.
                The war ended 150 years ago, and the GOP has kept up the same traitorous activity.
                If a trial could be held and justice delivered, the GOP party should be disbanded just for their corrupt, traitorous actions in the past 50 years alone. (Ditto for the democrats.)
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    • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 6 months ago
      While you're creating a new party, the left keeps getting re-elected. If a true Constitutionalist can be elected in a position of power within the Republican party it will make more progress than a new party could. If over time, the election of more who understand the nature of freedom can be added and hold the crypto-socialists at bay -- it will be a more efficient way to go.
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      • Posted by freedomforall 8 years, 6 months ago
        Wake up, Herb. The GOP is run by statists and they hand pick the candidates for loyalty. There will never be any progress within the GOP. It is terminally corrupt and always has been,
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        • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 6 months ago
          Then, in my view, we've already lost. Don't bother voting, go out for a pizza and a movie instead,I understand about the GOP and its shortcomings, but my point is that if you wait until a new party has meaningful power, it'll be too late to use it. By the way, I know I'm fully awake because nobody can have so many aches & pains and still be asleep.
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      • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 6 months ago
        That line hasn't worked in fifty years and it's still crap. Republican = Rino = Democrat = Dino = Socialist One party system with two faces maybe more. All the excuses and just if's and could have would have should haves an fairy tale pipedreams (take a long toke on this) variety aen't going to change the fact that the idea has F A I L E D there is no Republican Party it's a sad joke and come to think of has led us to a new definition of RINO Republic In Name Only.

        But...why don't you give them just sob one. sniff more....boo hoo...chance...wail.. they deserve it.

        Over time? Their time is over.

        They don't and and we for sure didn't deserve the shafting they gave us.

        Seig Me No Heils Comrade. I do NOT serve the party.
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        • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 6 months ago
          Oy!
          I feel fully chastened.
          My punishment will be how crappy I feel after imbibing a shot of single malt. Luckily, the crappy feeling doesn't kick in for an hour or two
          I was just thinking that we might be able to preserve the remnant of the 2 party system, but I'll leave that problem to all you youngsters, and I'll just slide along until I get to that Great Gulch in the sky..
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          • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 6 months ago
            No mights about it and it can be done. The center is the Constitution. One side leans towards a bit more government and the other for a bit less government. Both have at least one toe in the center. But all are free to stake their own positions. The more government or federalist side will form a coalition of generally like minded people and like minded groups but all have a common area of primary interest. The right will do the same thing and for the same reasons Anti-Federalists.

            Each coalition is joined by those with that one common factor Constitution is the center. Factions, splinter parties, independents are all free to go on any particular subject in true partisan fashion but generally join together on all the questions of like interest. Some vote fed some contra-fed. But the two party system is a two coalition system.and smart leaders will share cabinet positions and other important posts thus allowing everyone a seat at the table.

            Those who don't wish to join the coalition or opt out on some issue of importance to them do not have one toe in the center much less two feet. Those that do are centrists. Those that don't or don't occasionally are still withini a fast running leap in true emergencies.

            Then their are those on the fringes. Unlike today they don't have the ability to slide in the back door and take any postions of power. Too extremist and hold no loyaty to the country much less it's center of national discourse.

            When they attempt to present themselves as something they are not such as ACLU and the secular progressives every one knows it and makes sure their daughters are not going out with any of the offspring. Each side has them. Anarchists on the one side and National/International socialists on the other side. Zero government versus Government as a God.

            But life in the center goes on and once common ground is agreed upon changes are made then the minor issues are brought forth. I like this part. Since we have 50 locations with 50 sets of local laws and that does not mean the other 49 have to change to suit a minority. those who still don't like it have complete freedom of not letting the door hit them in the ass. Thus Oregon can change it's name to New Amsterdam since New York is no longer using it and for their own post-modern reasons even though they can't articulate them very well.

            One more group those who are perfectly happy letting the rest take care of the politics and don't register. Fine. No problem there.

            And I see I've run out of time. That mechanism for change I spoke of earlier. Amendments passed by a majority. Not ignorant ignoring or arrogant dictators assuming powers that...funny enough.... are mentioned nowhere in the Constitution.

            You see our illustrious Obey Me was never a Constitutional Scholar. He is however an Anti-Constitutional Activist

            There's your two party system an the more they wrangle and argue the better off the rest of us are.

            Add recall and extend that to the 'delegates' of each of the fifty states. pretty soon your talking real democracy and a real Republic.

            You realize of course I have just crossed the line and become a traitor to national and international fascist socialism. Not really. I never took an oath to them.

            "To preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States of America against all enemies foreign OR domestic. I take this oath without purposes of evasion." Nothing in our oath said to the best of my ability. Combat soldiers realize 'good try' is the same as failure.

            Seig me no Heils Comrade. I do NOT serve the party.
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            • Posted by RevJay4 8 years, 6 months ago
              You would have to throw "The Oath" in there, Michael.
              Now I must forget the idea of dulling my pain and actually think about what I can do to slow the decline of this country.
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              • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 6 months ago
                Did my job! I'm happy. i actually came up with the soft or dirty money clean up voting rights idea in conjunction with some clamato and another expat whose a real lawyer. he tried to tear the idea apart and was shocked a lay person knew the answers. He's maybe the only lawyer in the country that isn't infected with Acludian conditions. Especially when he tried to reframe the conversation only to find i was inside the new frame already.....then we switched to other forms of adult beverage...dark roast french press with a shot and got serious.
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            • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 6 months ago
              I didn't do spell check and their vs. there shows it. I have no excuses for imitating a level of illiteracy except there were no red flagged words when I touched he reply button. I do not blame a public school education. Such a mistake was not allowed back then.If you hear a grave rolling that is my 8th grade grammar teacher.
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          • Posted by RevJay4 8 years, 6 months ago
            I'm with you, Herb. I'd rather see this mess through a good glass of something nice, just to take the sting off my pain of watching my country circle the drain.
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            • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 6 months ago
              also is a time for musing, thinking, and developing good ideas or improving on others then contributing.
              I'm in mescal and agave country....we use it instead of beer in the clamato. or with a bunch of limes. We also do Cuba's. Cuba in the USA is La Mentira. Both recognize the fact that Cuba isn't free the USM (Mexico) people figured that out before we did. So...since cuba isn't free Cuba Libre's are not possible. Agave and mescal are local sources of starter medicine such as the tequila variations. the final press of agave plant is distilado de agave. No es por timidos. Not for the weak. But the trick is half shots. Kinda like learning to use salsa. Extra hot is not for gringos or beginners. for border people, both sides, or south of the border people hot an extra hot along with a dose of canela which is cinnamon in the morning coffee is the best antidote to many medicinal problems flu and colds for example. Must work havent had the first and only a touch of the second in many years and that was from visiting north of the border.
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              • Posted by RevJay4 8 years, 6 months ago
                The mention of cuba libre's brings back memories of Gitmo in the 60's, where I learned how good they tasted and how quick acting they were. The club served up copious amounts of rum in the mix. Not sure what else was in it other than coca-cola or some variation of it. Also learned that after a day of those, cocoa butter was great for severe sunburn. What can I say, I was young and immortal at the time.
                Thanks for the memories, Michael, haven't thought of those days in decades.
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                • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 6 months ago
                  Barralitos Rum from Puerto Rico and real cocacola and a slice of lime or three.

                  I went to Gitmo several as in 4 to 7 times delivering fuel on a tanker ship.Wherever the part mostly in the news is located we didn't or couldn't get close. USA is still paying rent every year and Cuba is still not cashing the checks and ....is still not free. so we keep saying Cuba in Mexico and La Mentira everywhere else. Except for liberal lefties who aren't much interested in the concept of human freedom.
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  • Posted by richrobinson 8 years, 6 months ago
    So how different would the country be with President Romney? Not much judging from these comments.
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    • Posted by $ 8 years, 6 months ago
      Agreed, I'd say we dodged a bullet except that we didn't.
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      • Posted by coaldigger 8 years, 6 months ago
        I thought that Mitt was an honorable and decent person and would have preferred him to what we have. At the same time, I feared his election because his ideology is the same as the Democrats, just in a different wrapper and his management skills would have allowed him to push more of his agenda through. Obama has a knack of making even those of his own party want to oppose him and has no interest in negotiation.
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        • Posted by $ 8 years, 6 months ago
          O has his orders given to him by those who groomed him and paid for his rise to authority, not the American people. Romney, at least according to his words, was a wolf in sheep's clothing. Would we been better off with him rather than O? Yes. But it would just have been a less accelerated pace to the same ends. Its a damn shame that I had given him more respect than he was due.
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          • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 6 months ago
            The thing with the Romneys of the world is that they think that they can reach a consensus with the left. Lefties will either agree and then change their minds trying for a political advantage, or out-and-out refuse any form of cooperation. This kind of soft approach can never win. In chess, politics, or football, attack wins over defense every time. The left has discovered that by using doublespeak and babble, they can get away with the most egregious attacks while the right seems to sit aside stupefied.
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    • Posted by $ jdg 8 years, 6 months ago
      He'd spend just as much; some of the new environmental and labor overregulations wouldn't have happened, but he'd sign others 0 didn't. Not much difference.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 6 months ago
    Many in the Gulch have been pointing out that the difference between the democrats and republicans is virtually non-existent for years. The left inches toward the right, as the right tumbles to the left. It is one of the issues that keeps appearing with great regularity. It is happening because the Washington nabobs have completely lost track of what the Constitution is and what it stands for.
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    • Posted by edweaver 8 years, 6 months ago
      I would agree except I believe the left has moved left at the same pace that the right has moved left. There are a few exceptions but overall both parties have moved significantly to the left.
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      • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 6 months ago
        You may be right - er, correct. The left seems a bit more pro capitalist with regulations, of course. It may just be a delusional desire on my part.
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        • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 6 months ago
          If it's with regulations it isn't pro-capitalism. The new buzz word is State Capitalism. Used to be called by the National Socialists Fascist Capitalism. A bit more is did cut off the whole foot or only four and a half toes. The left....as I'm fond of repeating IS the former Democrats and The Rino Republicans and any left who claim not to be but support them by their presence.

          Left = Government Over Citizens by any means necessary.

          Center = The constitution.

          Center of the Left - Divides the left wing of the left and the right wing of the left. Being in the left's right wing does not make them Constitutional Centrists nor welcome in the camp of those who believe in Citizens, Country, Government as temporary employees ALWAYS under control of the citizens.

          The supporters of any portion of the left are moochers, looters, enablers and apparatciks. When they took their oath of offfice did it include without purposes of evasion? They have done nothing but.
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          • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 6 months ago
            I proposed that anyone running for office has to take a test on the Declaration of Independence and the constitution before taking office. Anything under 85% fails.
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            • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 6 months ago
              First you have to get control. That comes before every proposal good, bad, or indiffent. Easier if t the local level such as instituting recall where it doesn't exist. Or limiting contributions especially if the attack is in many of the 110,000 precincts at the same time or done as initiative ballot within state or other levels.
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          • Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 6 months ago
            I use them, but these words are troubling b/c people have their own definitions. Here is how I think of it:
            Right - Gov't intrudes into every area of life, making society like one huge jail, but at least we're safer. If you ever felt like someone gave you grief in life, you can take comfort that gov't is giving some poor bastard more grief than you got. If you failed at things in life, you can blame it on that poor bastard instead of on yourself.
            Left - Gov't stops intruding except to stop things like racism and poverty. (not possible, but this is the theory) Then everyone lives as one happy family. If you ever felt like someone gave you grief in life, you can know you're morally superior to them. If you failed at this in life, it's "the system" or "the super wealthy", not your fault.
            Center - I hate politics and gov't. It's just people shamlessly pandering to people's weaknesses and failings for personal gain.
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            • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 6 months ago
              that is because you are still using their definitions. hang on I'm about finished witht he short form of how they started, changed and where they are now. Should help. for starters the center is not the center of the left as they would have you believe and both so called parties are left of center. Center is the Constitution until they moved the sign post.
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      • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 6 months ago
        No big trick . They just moved the sign that said center to the center of the left. Republicans were leftist all along. Both believe in Government Control of Population by any means they are left of center which is...or was....The Constitution.
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  • Posted by LibertyBelle 8 years, 6 months ago
    Yeah, I remember when there were just THREE
    networks,(plus maybe that public channel), and
    where it seemed that all three spoke with the same
    voice; all were "liberal", and supposedly enlightened
    ; and, as for any mention of Ayn Rand, she was
    considered a nut. I do not languish for that
    situation to return.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 6 months ago
      They shut down at the stroke of midnight with the Flag fluttering on the screen and the national anthem playing. Back when people were known by their names instead of as numbers.
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  • Posted by Jmwtsn 8 years, 6 months ago
    535 members of Congress take an oath to uphold the Constitution of the United States and at least 80% of them think it's a terrible way to run a government. They must all have their fingers crossed.
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  • Posted by dbhalling 8 years, 6 months ago
    Rush is as much of the problem as he is the solution. He panders to his audience, does not have a principled stand on most issues, and is anti-reason. Rush is a true conservative in the mold of Edmund Burke and David Hume
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  • Posted by $ jlc 8 years, 6 months ago
    The Lament (nice term) is based on the premise that the liberals are actually philosophically correct. The Collaborative Conservatives are just saying, "Media that advertises the actual non-liberal opinions of the people whom I am supposed to be representing is interfering with my getting 'a slice of the pie'."

    Romney wants to see himself as the secret heir-apparent to the Democrats, allowing a change of name of the reigning party, but preserving the same ideology. This requires that both parties be on the same team, and pass the baton back and forth occasionally to indicate the token presence of a two-party system.

    All is not lost (said ironically), because what this is actually about is 'power'. Were the shoe on the other foot, and Conservatism the popular philosophy, you would see the same migration happening to the Liberals. The most difficult thing to obtain is a set of parties that have distinctly different philosophies, even if one of them is not 'winning' at the moment. All that Romney is saying is, "I want to Win."

    Jan
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  • Posted by bsmith51 8 years, 6 months ago
    Politics goes to those who show up. For the first time in my 64 years, I spent yesterday doing cold calls for a local conservative candidate. I hated it, but it was necessary.
    You must go outside of your comfort zone and take action if you want change.
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    • Posted by roneida 8 years, 6 months ago
      bsmith,,,, excellent post...you've been reading my mail. I am 75 and a 50 year believer in Ms. Rand and Objectivism... the older I grow, the fewer people I know that have the faintest idea of what politics is all about and how it affects all facets of live in America... they just don't get it. Most people I am around think they can escape scott free from responsibility of learning, voting and standing up for America and the human race. How niaeve ? most Americans are. too much TV,or sugar? or booze??? We will get screwed if we don't wake up and fight for freedom...it can be lost or taken from us.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 6 months ago
      That's two of us. Anyone else doing something besides talk:? Yes I know there's more I just called for an impromptu hand wave and say thank you. Some preach some debate and some take action....way of he the world. But guess who takes credit at the end?
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  • Posted by ycandrea 8 years, 6 months ago
    Well maybe Rush should have thought about this when he started belittling Ron Paul back when Ron was running for the Republican Party nomination! Rush supported all the Rinos back then! He is part of the problem. Just my opinion.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 6 months ago
      wasn't the first time he's been rolled an hosed. General Mike Stone of the 82nd Airborne Division was the first in my memory and did a fine job of exploiting Rush's weakness. But then that's why his rating is 99.9 and not one hundred.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 6 months ago
    I'm thinking if he would put some force behind a REAL republican party or some other useful effort? What chance of that? Which group is he with? The republicans or the rinos?
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    • Posted by $ 8 years, 6 months ago
      I've often thought that he and/or another conservative or libertarian celebrity should break away to form a sincere, viable non-establishment party.
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      • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 6 months ago
        Damn that makes ten or twelve of us. i should start chanting Action Now! America! Way to goI I love you!

        The last was a quote from Field of Dreams. it was a left wing air head liberal that said it.

        Play ball!
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