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Political beliefs

Posted by Herb7734 10 years ago to Philosophy
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"One who acquires political beliefs early in life and rarely changes any of them is incapable of learning from experience." I came across this quote in Marilyn vos Savant's column. To me it is a very clarifying phrase. It explains why many people hold on to certain beliefs even in the face of irrefutable evidence that they are wrong.


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  • Posted by freedomforall 10 years ago in reply to this comment.
    True. Few, if any, can immediately and always use reason in every thought process, especially against long held, established biases.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 10 years ago
    That statement does not apply to old dino.
    As a kid, I was a south Alabama segregationist (as were all my peers) who began to have doubts when I heard MLK's "I have a dream" speech.
    By my early 20s I was a rabid liberal who thought socialism may be a good thing. Being against the Vietnam War (still am) and then being 1969 drafted into the Marines had a lot to do with that.
    Later as a civilian I voted for Jimmy Carter.
    After four crappy years of Carter, I voted for Ronald Reagan.
    This since then conservative and not a racist me only learned of Ayn Rand when I had Netflix send the first Atlas Shrugged movie.
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  • Posted by dbhalling 10 years ago
    It is also because many people do not believe reason (logic and evidence) are valid epidemiological tools. For instance, F. A. Hayek rejected reason in favor of "cultural evolution" and "social knowledge" see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fszzh....

    This shows that it is not just liberals (socialists), but also conservatives and libertarians that reject reason.
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    Posted by LibertyBelle 10 years ago
    Well, I acquired political beliefs pretty early in life;
    I read the Declaration of Independence and found
    the phrase "inalienable rights". Also, I read about
    the Civil War (this is Virginia; Virginia history was
    taught as a separate subject from American; however, my parents were from Iowa and Min-
    nesota); I thought about the idea of a state vot-
    ing democratically to leave the union; but then I
    thought that the right of man not to be a slave
    must be more fundamental and superior to that.
    So, when I was about 12, I thought that every-
    body had the right to do whatever he wanted,
    provided he didn't touch the body or property of
    another without that other's consent (either di-
    rectly or by throwing something, for instance);
    but then, I thought this did not include the right
    to lie about somebody or to get something from
    somebody by lying to him. That became my
    political creed; however, I did not know how to
    validate it until I discovered Ayn Rand (which
    didn't happen until I was 15).
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  • Posted by dwlievert 10 years ago
    One's thrill at discovery, must always carry more value than one's fear of it. When the case, one becomes actually eager to discard the "old" in favor of the "new."

    Rand remarked that "reason must be Man's only absolute." I agree. It therefore follows that all other absolutes are contextual. If so, then all rational questions are relevant, all answers tentative - subject to the "new."
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 10 years ago in reply to this comment.
    Why not her beliefs must have been formed at an early from growing up in the Soviet Union. Mine were formed that way until as we've been mentioning I learned how to think and reason, observe and evaluate. Some go through life speaking 'as a child.' Not just family if one or the other of the two political machines were predominant it would depend if on what they did or didn't do for you. Most of my family were descendants of farm-labor movement of the 1800s as part of the immigration wave. One Uncle left of the six brothers half never did learn how to spell democratic even though they were life long Democrats.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 10 years ago in reply to this comment.
    Parallel experience about a decade ahead. ended up a constitutional centrist by choosing my own label therefore the small letter 'c.' The turning point came when a neighbor gave me a copy of AS a few years after it was published.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 10 years ago in reply to this comment.
    The Sabra's when in disgust with the orthodox sometimes refer to them as Saudi's. It's not a term of admiration nor common but more like a curse. For those who won't lift a finger to help themselves but expect others to do it and the fighting in accordance with observance of restrictions of tradition. It's somewhat on the order of REMFs vs real military or moochers. They equivalent would be a more vocal bigot saying Jew or Nigger. near as I could tell. The one time I visited the country mostly in Haifa area I asked about it and was told "don't use that it's not nice...but it's true."

    Not well known. I'm sure there are other less complimentary terms.Also the obstructionists in the Knesset would fit. They 'neither toil nor do they spin' even get out of the way but deride the toil of others and expect to be fed for being multi generation welfare artists.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 10 years ago in reply to this comment.
    Sabra is the name for those born in Israel

    Sabras seem to be a stiff necked bunch. When we delivered cargo it was sundown to sunup and if a delay heads were on swivels quite unlike US citizens who can go through entire wars in comfort unless of course they wish to fly somewhere..
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  • Posted by 10 years ago in reply to this comment.
    I'm not sure what Saudi Jews are. The Saudi billionaires control a quite strict country conforming to Sharia law. As for Jews, they have divided their religion into 3 state, reform, conservative, and orthodox. Of the three, the most anti Israel are the orthodox who maintain a strict adherence to the "old" testament and Jewish tradition and laws.
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  • Posted by broskjold22 10 years ago
    I like this quote. It appeals to one my favorite concepts in Leonard Peikoff's book. That human cognition is neither automatic nor infallible. I think it is also a call to dig deeper into the stuff that makes up your beliefs, to challenge, question, and if necessary refute its foundations to be sure and know that it is in fact true.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 10 years ago in reply to this comment.
    Jewish people except one category vote Democrat the older ones and the pro Sabra Israel group vote the other way.

    Jewish people are a mystery they invented communal living and and socialism . One group are gas chamber lemmings and the other are saunch figthters for freedom and http://life.In Israel Sabra is one group and Saudi jews are the one's who won't lift a finger ......

    Who knows....

    Blacks easy story Republican supporters until abvout 1880 or 1890 when Republicans abandoneed Civil rights and anti slavery position and lost their own way. Democrats always anti civil rights and anti slavery picked up on votes available no other interes until late sixties and then then not much and then Clinton decided to ve civil rights party. prior the Democrats were staunch pro slavery anti civil rights. That lasted until just after Clinton when the Democrats went whole hog socialist fascist and pro Patriot Act. Blacks have no where to go Republicans did the same. 230 years of work down the drain and the blacks got f'd used and abused. Nowhere to turn but then we are the white version with the same problem.......Same thing happening to browns latinos. We need a new party that upholds the Constitution and turns there backs on all the -isms. Else the more level headed who seek change with ballots not bullets will be overwhelmed when the bullets start flying and I can't say I blame them. so all you racists, sexist and religious bigots? I look at you to ways. How you fit in a sight picture and the trigger squeeze. Enemies Domestic. I'm a son of Norway descent and proud of it.

    USA and the Constitution love it or don't let the door hit you in the ass no matter where you think it swings. left
    or right. As for the Jewish people and others victimized by bigots .... why are you voting for your oppressors and those whose entire philosophy descends through Adolf and Josef Stalin. If you are lemmings or saudis i do not know you. If you are Sabras's i welcome your support and offer ours.

    And as for the thin skinned crybabies who cry foul foul. Upper US.
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  • Posted by 10 years ago in reply to this comment.
    I'm pretty sure I'm considerably older than you and I loved my comic book characters. I was a big Superman fan and still am. My son in his teens put on Comic Book conventions and I got to meet many of the creators of the books including Stan Lee, Jack Kirby, etc. I certainly got my dose of patriotic input from them, especially during WW2 when comic books were filled with AMERICAN super heroes.
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  • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 10 years ago in reply to this comment.
    Honestly, as embarrassing as this may sound, the foundation of my views probably stemmed from Iron Man and Captain America comic books, Davy and Goliath,and many other innocent Saturday morning cartons (that no longer exist today). Most of my mothers friends are dead, and my mother isn't in the best of shape these days herself (today a conservative)..
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  • Posted by 10 years ago in reply to this comment.
    But -- I'll bet you know a few folks who have given up that activity. It is easier to adopt what is presented to you as a child than to think for yourself. Actually, I believe thinking for yourself is discouraged today.
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  • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 10 years ago
    I, and my two siblings, grew up in a house of 1970s hippies, my mother single - peace and love, free love, to each his own, dope and drinking, people sleeping on the floor, in the yard, or anywhere they happened to pass out. This was my life from 8-12 (approximately). I'm a Constitutional Conservative. Why? I think.
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  • Posted by 10 years ago in reply to this comment.
    You're right, it doesn't hold in all cases. but it sure explains why so many blacks and Jews continue to blindly vote democrat.
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  • Posted by $ CBJ 10 years ago
    "One who acquires political beliefs early in life and rarely changes any of them is incapable of learning from experience." I don’t think this quote applies in all cases. Suppose that a person’s political beliefs are formed by reading Ayn Rand at an early age? Such a person may still be capable of learning from experience, but this process will likely reinforce his or her political beliefs and will not require that these beliefs be changed.
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    Posted by DrZarkov99 10 years ago
    That brings to mind another old standby: "Good judgement comes from experience, which comes from bad judgement." The key to survival is learning and adapting from experience that tells us what works and what doesn't.

    Our society today inhibits real learning, because it's become so protective that people are shielded from having to make hard, desperate choices like our ancestors. When someone has never experienced real hardship or life threatening events, it's easier for them to exercise "magical thinking." Utopian concepts seem all the more credible to a mind unchallenged by adversity.
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