Some of my best friends are communists

Posted by $ MikeMarotta 11 years, 2 months ago to Culture
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What makes a "good" person or a "bad" person is (no surprise) personal: within the individual. That is usually hidden from external view and judged only by actions and words in the world. That judgment is also personal: it depends on the person making it.

Consider John D. Rockefeller. Most people who care to know anything about him dislike him. Objectivists admire him, but dislike his having been a church-going Baptist. Would Rockefeller have been a better person as an atheist? You only have to look at Edison to think more than twice about that question.

That is not to say that "one hand washes the other." I believe that the final balance is, indeed, a balance, of admirable qualities versus failures.

What is the essential characteristic?

A productive person will admire the productivity of others. Consider Thomas Edison, Sandra Lerner (Cisco Systems), or Martha Stewart. Edison was not a nice guy, but that is not the essential judgment. None of them were or are paragons of Objectivist virtues - some producers seem to have had no special virtues outside of their work. Consider how we wring our hands over Bill Gates. Yet, Microsoft cannot be denied. I admire
George Soros for his success as a trader. Haters take a different view.

You can find producers and haters in any population, just like short and tall people, no matter how short or tall the group. It is an assumption in social science that however defined, differences _within_ groups are greater than differences _across_ groups. Thus, I have had many friends who were political progressives and born-again Christians, while I have suffer through many libertarian or Objectivist meetings.


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    Posted by rlewellen 11 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I just saw it for what it really is the man behind the curtain. People talking about destroying the constitution and one world order where there is no religion well except theirs that worships money above all.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 2 months ago
    Well said. I'd give you a thumbs up, were I able.
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    Posted by rlewellen 11 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    psst... I would say most Objectivists don't really understand human nature either.
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  • Posted by Macro 11 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I suppose you are right.

    But still, from the moment they agree with welfare policies and the like, I can't really forgive them 100%. They may be good people, but they're siding with the ones who want to take my freedoms away...

    It's really a balance of admirable qualities versus failures, like Mike said. I may not agree with Christians regarding their mystical beliefs, but since they do not want to push their views on everyone else legally, that's not a problem for me to have a friendship with them (well, maybe not the perfect friendship, but a good friendship anyway. Like a vegan having a steak-loving friend). Being friends with a communist is quite the opposite though... I really can't shake this feeling that they are my enemies, as they are making my own life harder.

    If someone does evil because he doesn't know he's actually wrong, should this person be forgiven?
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  • Posted by Macro 11 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    What the...? Again, am I missing something? John Galt was an Objectivist, so, what are you doing in Galt's Gulch?

    You would not be allowed in the real one if it existed, I suppose. Maybe you guys just like to bash Obama? That's OK, I guess...
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  • Posted by Macro 11 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Why not both? Do people have to choose between being productive or having loved ones?

    I couldn't really make a choice like that. I would not give any of these aspects of my life up!

    Dying without money, but with loved ones, would probably mean I didn't choose my friendships very well. Who would love a guy with no career or purpose in life? I don't want pity! This reminds me of that poor girl who died in Atlas Shrugged.

    Money is just the result of your work, your purpose, right?

    Dying with money, but no loved ones? I'm not sure, but I suppose that, if you're really great at something, there will be people who will want to be by your side, and respect you, if you look for them in the right places.
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    Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    psst... I would say most Objectivists don't really understand human nature...
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 11 years, 2 months ago
    I don't see how you can operate any other way. Even if you avoid politics and religion, eventually you find out. If you livid with people who have a different ideology, it's very hard to get anything done.
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  • Posted by overmanwarrior 11 years, 2 months ago
    Interesting commentary. What makes a person bad? If they impose themselves on others in relationships that are not in recognition of individual value. For instance, to take my property tax money to care for the children of other people who do not share my values is an imposition of this kind. The premise is that all children are valuable to society and that the collective values of that society are more important than my individual values. I may spend considerable time teaching my children to be exceptional while the society does not care to perform at that level. So the expectation that my children, or my intentions should be lowered to yield to the collective will is what makes a situation and the people behind it bad.
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  • Posted by $ don33coupe 11 years, 2 months ago
    Just look at our country today and look at communist countries witch do you want to live in. That is what Rand was all about
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  • Posted by Macro 11 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    What are you even doing here? Why is someone so anti-Rand here on Galt's Gulch?

    Am I missing something?
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    Posted by rlewellen 11 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Actually she was an antichrist anti bill of rights money worshiping ;propagandist set on making everyone replaceable, and indistinguishable.
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    Posted by rlewellen 11 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    On the last day of your life it'll be much nicer to hug someone you love rather than a pile of money. alone in the dark. I got your +1
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    Posted by $ Maphesdus 11 years, 2 months ago
    I've met a few Communists in my life, and from my own experience, most of them are decent people who just don't understand economics or human nature.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 11 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    There's nothing that bad in someone's expectation that you will teach your kids a certain way. The bad comes when they try to use force to make you comply with their expectations.
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