Some of my best friends are communists

Posted by $ MikeMarotta 11 years, 2 months ago to Culture
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What makes a "good" person or a "bad" person is (no surprise) personal: within the individual. That is usually hidden from external view and judged only by actions and words in the world. That judgment is also personal: it depends on the person making it.

Consider John D. Rockefeller. Most people who care to know anything about him dislike him. Objectivists admire him, but dislike his having been a church-going Baptist. Would Rockefeller have been a better person as an atheist? You only have to look at Edison to think more than twice about that question.

That is not to say that "one hand washes the other." I believe that the final balance is, indeed, a balance, of admirable qualities versus failures.

What is the essential characteristic?

A productive person will admire the productivity of others. Consider Thomas Edison, Sandra Lerner (Cisco Systems), or Martha Stewart. Edison was not a nice guy, but that is not the essential judgment. None of them were or are paragons of Objectivist virtues - some producers seem to have had no special virtues outside of their work. Consider how we wring our hands over Bill Gates. Yet, Microsoft cannot be denied. I admire
George Soros for his success as a trader. Haters take a different view.

You can find producers and haters in any population, just like short and tall people, no matter how short or tall the group. It is an assumption in social science that however defined, differences _within_ groups are greater than differences _across_ groups. Thus, I have had many friends who were political progressives and born-again Christians, while I have suffer through many libertarian or Objectivist meetings.


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  • Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Dad blast it. I can't give you a thumbs up without you losing a point. This is a major league bug. Someone tell the healthcare.gov website designers they have another bug to fix...
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  • Posted by khalling 11 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    What about happiness? Is it in on's rational self interest to say pursue having more money to the detriment of all else?
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  • Posted by khalling 11 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Rational self interest. R, I challenge you to read a chapter of one of Rand' s non fiction books for everytime you want to make a point about christianity vs Objectivism. You're getting lots of Objectivism concepts wrong and so your arguments become a strawman. As well consider starting with some Atlas Society youtube videos.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYJtHd28B...


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  • Posted by Lucky 11 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    rl
    I agree, sort of, but is this- Many a true word spoken in jest?
    Or is it 'in sorrow'?
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 11 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Thank you for saying THAT. This IS the Gulch. All are free to do and believe what they will. So long as it doesn't trample anyone else's liberties.
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  • Posted by rlewellen 11 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    So are you saying because I am a Christian I can't vote, speak, or create art? Think about that.
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  • Posted by rlewellen 11 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    And this is not true. Otherwise, every abused housewife would never have married her abusive husband. People fall in love with their subjective vision of a person, an object, or even a philosophy all the time. One can't point at someone and say, "well, what they love isn't really the way they think it is, so they're not really feeling love". Well, one can, but s/he'd be arrogantly wrong.
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  • Posted by Timelord 11 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Maphesdus: " collectivism in fact just as integral a part of Capitalism as it is of Communism."

    Nope, that's wrong along with your assertion that "collectivism is really just a societal outlook in which the natural interdependence which human beings have upon each other is emphasized, and any group with a cohesive set of beliefs could rightly be labeled as "collectivist.""

    The feature that distinguishes collectivism is the diminishing of individual rights in favor of group rights.

    I don't know where you get the idea that Rand never defined collectivism or why you think she equated collectivism with communism.
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    Posted by rlewellen 11 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Oh but come on you call selfishness a virtue. Bernie traded a perceived value for intrinsic value, what is it in Objectivism that doesn't match that?
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  • Posted by rlewellen 11 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    People turned politician always trying to kill the religious people that didn't agree. They do it here every day with their little down vote, or the up vote of only those that agree with them
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  • Posted by $ stargeezer 11 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Since about 1/3 of the Bible is history, evil goes with the territory. I hope you aren't contending that just because a book deals with religion or touches on religious stories that concepts related in it are verboten? Surly that would not be in keeping with being open minded or free expression.
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  • Posted by $ stargeezer 11 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Lets agree that she found a answer she was happy with. not a answer I would accept and not a path I would follow, but it worked for her.
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  • Posted by $ stargeezer 11 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It was before Ayn Rand used it in AS. Although it was not a statement offered by francisco, he responded to a moocher's incorrect quote.
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  • Posted by LetsShrug 11 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Madoff lied and stole. Making money, earning it, exchanging value for value is moral. Thieving is not. There is no comparison here. Nice try.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 11 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Well, the KJB isn't the only version, nor is it the final word. Nor are any versions created by man. The word of God, sadly, has been manipulated by man from the beginning to time.
    One must find the truth of God in one's own heart.
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  • Posted by $ Maphesdus 11 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    So Christians never try to make anyone conform to their beliefs about certain issues like abortion or same-sex marriage, nor do they ever try to force students in public schools to recite their prayers?
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