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Hitler and the Death of Free Speech

Posted by khalling 8 years, 5 months ago to Philosophy
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"The fact is that Mein Kampf is too dangerous not to be published."

Consider doing a search on author Stephen Hicks. His articles and work are provocative and important
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    Posted by DrZarkov99 8 years, 5 months ago
    My relatives sometimes view my bookshelves nervously, as prominent among my collection is Mein Kampf, the Communist Manifesto, and an English version of Das Kapital. I have to remind them I also have the Federalist and Anti-Federalist papers, Adam Smith's "Wealth of Nations," and a host of philosophical and religious texts.

    I always believe one should understand the basis for views that drive people to destructive ends. I've always questioned foundational precepts (which is what got me kicked out of the Baptist Church at the age of 12). When I try to discuss issues with people with extreme views, I'm amazed at how little they really understand not only opposing perspectives, but even the foundation and origin of their own beliefs.

    I'm grateful I live in a society where I can read The Satanic Bible, if I choose. Freedom of the mind is the most vital element of a truly free society.
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  • Posted by wiggys 8 years, 5 months ago
    Maybe reading the Ominous Parallel by Leonard Peikoff will give all some idea that we here in the usa are in fact going in that direction regardless even if the book is reprinted.
    Also, what I believe what is not ever noted is that we have dumbed down the American public to the point they would not understand it anyway. The author of this book just doesn't comprehend that fact. I also believe that the sales of the book would not justify its being printed.
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    • Posted by Flootus5 8 years, 5 months ago
      Ominous Parallels is an essential read relative to this topic.

      I acquired an old copy of Mein Kampf dated 1940 and read that through. Hitler showed a definite grasp on how to use the media. That much is fascinating.

      And then there is Hitler's second book. Haven't read it yet, but I understand it apparently came out in 1928.
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    • Posted by term2 8 years, 5 months ago
      Most Americans today don't read books. The get their information in snippets , news tv broadcasts or in video series. Hitlers book would hardly be read unless it was a tv series. ( same thing I would say for atlas shrugged).
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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 5 months ago
    I think the nazi movement was not the fault of hitler. He was a great orator and persuader- but he just used the ideas that most Germans believed at the time. It was the German people that made nazi Germany

    Just as it was Obama who swept up the American people (at least>50% of them in 2008 with his socialist rhetoric and southern preacher style to expand givernment and take away personal freedoms. This time we see democrats using socialism openly to get votes. Sanders is leading the charge, with Hillary changing her positions daily to catch up

    Any rand was right that politics is just an expression of philosophy, whether in Germany it right here. But politics seems to be the art of emotional manipulation, whereas philosophy. Involved me thinking
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  • Posted by $ Mimi 8 years, 5 months ago
    Good read. I wish Savvy Street would date the article.
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    • Posted by 8 years, 5 months ago
      just curious. why? sometimes the article may have already been written and shared in another venue. I can ask when it was written, if you'd like?
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      • Posted by gaiagal 8 years, 5 months ago
        I can't answer for Mimi, but I always look for the date on which an article (even a recipe :) is published (one can only assume it was written on the date it was published.)

        First, though, I want to say thanks for the new resource for me. It's now bookmarked. :)

        I check the date because I find it provides me with a frame of reference. For example, if the date of publication is not current, what was the atmosphere surrounding the topic at the time it was published? Same? Different? If forecasting, such as in economics, how accurate was it?

        I'd be interested in the publication date for this article because if it was published some time back, I would want to read more from this author. I look for patterns, trends.

        The dates of publication for recipes provide me with info on food trends...I have just always checked dates for any publication I read.

        As an aside - if the publication date is not given, you can often get an approximation by checking for publication dates on referenced readings within the article.
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        • Posted by $ Mimi 8 years, 5 months ago
          galagal --Yeah, that’s why I would have liked the date. I like a frame of reference. One train of thought leads to others.

          I’m so glad I scrolled down to read your reply. You said everything I would have said-- had I been able to say it as well.

          You can ‘speak’ for me anytime. :)
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          • Posted by gaiagal 8 years, 5 months ago
            Thank you :) It's funny, looking for dates has always been automatic...never thought about why I did it until you asked for one and khaling was curious as to why.

            I realized I also go on autopilot and, if no date is provided, see if I can discover one from clues in article. If I can't find a date I then decide the importance of knowing relative to the subject presented. When I thought about it, I realized I often "discard" undated files from memory ( I have, since I was a kid, thought of the brain as a file cabinet...complete with a circular file)!

            Thank you to you and khaling for waking up my mind on this one. Never gave the process active thought before. :)

            Enjoy the Gulch because it often makes me think about how I think.:)
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        • Posted by freedomforall 8 years, 5 months ago
          I agree completely on wanting an article date, gaiagirl. Your comments on frame of reference are right on target. I always look for articles to include a date written, especially if I am thinking of posting it to the Gulch. +1 to you and Mimi.
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        • Posted by 8 years, 5 months ago
          I will find out gaiagirl. Many Gulch producers are contributors to SavvyStreet, including myself, Db, straightline logic, Marsha Enright, watcher55, etc. :)
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          • Posted by gaiagal 8 years, 5 months ago
            Thank you and good to know!
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            • Posted by 8 years, 5 months ago
              alright. Did some digging-posted first in March of this year. Link: http://www.everyjoe.com/2015/03/12/po...

              I will ask that vinay date the article. Thanks
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              • Posted by $ Mimi 8 years, 5 months ago
                The truth is: a link with a time reference to when the Mein Kampf reprinting would take place was contained within the first sentence of the article.
                I didn’t catch it the first read through. I don’t normally click automatically on links within an article. However, by not doing so, I was left with an open question of when this reprinting took place. Perhaps we were discussing something that happened ten years ago? I didn’t know. That was not necessarily the author’s fault for not dating his material in an obvious manner, but also the (this) reader’s fault for not taking the time to read the links provided.
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      • Posted by $ jlc 8 years, 5 months ago
        gaigal has a very good and serious answer. On a somewhat lighter note, I will mention that there was a word in use in Elizabethan English, "dateless" . Its technical meaning was simply 'a document that did not have a date'. Its actual meaning was "worthless" or "deranged". A document that did not have a date was legally worthless.

        Jan, odd but not dateless
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 5 months ago
    That's two new resources thanks again. Hicks and Zemyatin both on hand using the Kindle. In seconds!

    Ditto on free speech. I wondered if there exists any university level courses for Mein Kampf and the Marx and Engels writings from a Devil's Advocate point of view. Possibly Hillcrest I'll have to check their class schedules
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  • Posted by strugatsky 8 years, 5 months ago
    Mein Kampf was suppressed in the Soviet Union and the bleeding heart socialists want to suppress it everywhere. Because they're afraid that the masses will follow Hitler's teaching? As if Stalin was afraid of the Soviet masses all of a sudden falling in love with Hitler? Unlikely. What the socialists are afraid of is that the common man, if he were to read Mein Kampf himself, without the interpretation and pre-digestion by the Party leaders, may come to the logical conclusion that Mein Kampf is a logical continuation of Das Kapital.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 5 months ago
      and just as logically lead to the same conclusion. The same dead end every time unless one likes neo-feudalism.

      But the masses are not supposed to be able to think that deeply. When public education was proposed around the time Henry Ford and others proposed university for the ruling class elitists, some tech education for factory techs and manateres, 8th grade max. for the rest.

      Lot to be said for that because gauged against the standards of education then and now that's what a high school graduate today is worth. 8th "Grade diplomas. Maybe and that's open to debate. For sure the HS grad up north cannot hold a candle to the graduating 18 year old in Mexico.
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  • Posted by LibertyBelle 8 years, 5 months ago
    The way to avoid certain diseases (such as small-
    pox) is not to hide from everybody and become a
    hermit, but to be introduced to a mild form of such
    disease (in the form of a vaccination), and thereby
    to acquire immunity. Thus, perhaps, with evil ideas.
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  • Posted by sfdi1947 8 years, 5 months ago
    "Who shall burn books, shall eventually burn men!"
    Ray Bradbury, "Fahrenheit 451"
    Who shall ban their publication, shall eventually burn books.
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  • Posted by $ jlc 8 years, 5 months ago
    I will note that with the second and third parties being Socialist and Communist respectively, anyone who was opposed to communal mindset philosophy would have voted for Nazi's. (I am generally of the 'vote for the lesser evil' camp but I admit that there is another side to that decision.)

    Jan
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  • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 5 months ago
    In a true free society, there is no such thing as censorship. All people should have a forms of communication available to all people. It should be the duty of parents to guide their children by expressing a rational philosophy so that no matter what they are exposed to, they can judge for themselves.
    "Judge and be prepared to be judged." -- Ayn Rand
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