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Big Mac - Sign of New GOP Power Realignment?

Posted by D_E_Liberty 3 years, 7 months ago to Politics
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Ina rather stunning development House Majority Leader "Big Mac" is withdrawing his name for election of the next Speaker of the House. Mac was considered a shoo-in as the heir apparent to the speaking ship just a week ago. Why the shocking withdrawal? Simple, he didn't have the votes. why didn't he have the votes? Because the self- selected, so called "Freedom Caucus" ( made up mostly of tea party, libertarian leaning, economic conservatives), who agreed to vote as a block, refused to support him. The reason, they see him as a continuation of the previous Speaker, who led a consolatory capitalist Congress, on the major issues the Caucus members were specifically elected to oppose, I.e. De- funding Obamacare, reforming immigration policy, reducing the deficit, etc. But most importantly, the Freedom Caucus maligned the Leadership for "refusing to put up a good fight" in opposition to The Obama "statist" agenda. While they wanted to stack a mountain of reform bills on the Presidents desk for his veto pen, turning him into "President Nyet", the saw their own leaders turn the lower chamber into Chamberlin style institution of capitulation.
They want some in the speakership who will charge the bureaucratic barriers, and burn down the the walls of progressive imprisonment that their leader not only stood by and watched, but even handed them bricks. the amazing thing, is in Congress of more than 400 members, these 40 Reps have made themselves the swing votes, at least with respect to selecting the next speaker. they virtually have the power to elect, or block any nominee they choose, and they are clearly holding out for a young blood, who's vain' run as hot as their own. Daniel Webster has been mentioned, but it not clear whether even he posses the grit the Caucus wants to see in the next speaker.
The interesting, (and more encouraging) take-away is the new found power of the "economic radicals" who some would say are "radicals for economic responsibility" if not radicals for capitalism. Even more striking is the notion that this mini- movement in Congress is actually the tip of the iceberg sized dissatisfaction the GOP rank and file have toward a Congress, and indeed an entire Federal Government who the see not as the solvers of problems but the source of them. they are furious that the GOP majority they sent to Congress has virtually no major achievements to show for their tenure, including zero victories over a President who's policies they abhor. The result? A Presidential primary field lead by the three candidates who have Virtually NO experience as politicians. the kicker is, I doubt many think Trump would be a great, or even competent President ( leader of the free world is not an " on the job" entry level position). But his populist " Congress is Stupid" message resonates perfectly the the sentiments of the GOP faithful who feel the members they elected based on promises of conservative reform have used and abused their trust, and sold them out to the enemy. The political ramifications? GOP and Libertarian voters may see this as a golden opportunity to ADD to that Freedom Caucus... That same rag tag shirt tail that is currently wagging the entire GOP dog.


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    Posted by Zenphamy 3 years, 7 months ago
    I like the post, but I would point out that it's not the "standard" GOP faithful nor the conservative base that's rebelling. It's more likely to be the Tea Party and Ron Paul base that's driving this rebellion. Conservative is really the wrong descriptor tor them. I think they're the 'liberty movement' that some of us have seen and discussed over the last couple of years. They don't get much press, but they're there and they're learning the game and how to fight from the grass roots, where change has to happen.

    The next few days could turn out to be exciting drama entertainment as the establishment fights back. We've already seen a lot of that (Meagan's stand-in on Fox this evening). Whoever's driving the Freedom Caucus is the real 'person(s) of interest' to be discovered and watched.

    +1
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    Posted by  $  MichaelAarethun 3 years, 7 months ago
    That's what I'm talking about...From within they have a chance of dropping the RINOs. From without we have to go the Devil's Advocate route.

    They even picked the right name. Freedom Party Dump the RINOS Recover the Constitution Represent the Citizens.

    If it's for real burned to many time to do more than cross my fingers and point out all those wonderful votes waiting out in disenfranchised land they may or may not get.

    We'll see

    Allow me to be the first to thumbs up this long awaited day.
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  • Posted by 3 years, 7 months ago
    From the author.... Made the mistake of typing the above commentary on my iPad, it auto corrected a variety of words that make some of the statements above nonsensical. Like it should read" conciliatory capitualisticcongress" see it won't even let me type it. Learned my lesson. all future comments will be crafted on my computer. sorry for the confusion.
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    • Posted by robgambrill 3 years, 7 months ago
      Touch screen text input auto-correction, ARRRGH!

      The creators of that technology shall be, as Woody Allen put it, "... some of the first ones to go against the wall when the revolution comes!"

      I am joking of course, a bullet is too good for em.

      Nice commentary though! I think we got the gist of it.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 3 years, 7 months ago
    What's intriguing is that according to the Constitution, the Speaker does not have to be an elected representative. I'd be curious who the members of the Gulch think would make a good Speaker. Any suggestions?
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    • Posted by johnpe1 3 years, 7 months ago
      Mark Levin -- j
      .
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      • Posted by DrZarkov99 3 years, 7 months ago
        Mark would get my vote.
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        • Posted by khalling 3 years, 7 months ago
          Mr. Levin ultimately puts his emphasis on Faith, not reason. But since we are so mired, he'd probably be pretty effective at accomplishing several key strategies-and he does not ignore the economy like many religionists do [edited because I hit enter too quickly LOL]
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          • Posted by DrZarkov99 3 years, 7 months ago
            Have you read Levin's "Ameritopia?" He does a very good job of organizing his arguments on sound economic principles, but it's his call for ethical behavior as key to the success of any society that has his critics dismissing him as a "religious nut." Adam Smith, on whose shoulders all modern capitalists stand, wrote "The Theory of Moral Sentiments," explaining why moral behavior was vital to capitalism. What's interesting is that Smith's publication cleverly builds up a moral structure without relying on religious justification, even though, as very religious Scottish Presbyterian I'm sure he was tempted to do so.
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    • Posted by ohiocrossroads 3 years, 7 months ago
      Larry Arn, president of Hillsdale College. At least he knows the Constitution and is dedicated to upholding it.

      Charles Krauthammer.
      Greta Van Susteren.
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      • Posted by MinorLiberator 3 years, 7 months ago
        I agree on all three, most particularly Krauthammer. To which I would add Napolitano (obviously the Judge, not his Lefty relative)...then there's Clint (hey, some political experience, and can certainly hold his own in a Leftie world).

        But if it happens as I say it might in another comment, Paul Ryan would be great.

        Rand Paul, for that matter. Although we'd lose him in the Senate.

        And, probably best but least likely, as long as we are fantasizing: David Kelley.
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        • Posted by khalling 3 years, 7 months ago
          Ryan is no Conservative. He voted for both the bank bailouts and TARP. He actually said on the floor of the House that he was voting for TARP to preserve our free Enterprise system. He is a career politician who also lead debate for Patent Reform (deform) and helped the dissent on fully funding the patent office-the only large agency of the US govt that is SELF FUNDED and appropriated more than 1 billion dollars (more now) from its program to fund the general Treasury, ensuring that inventors would have long pend-ency times waiting to take their private property rights. He is a statist through and through, and AS was just a prop he marched on stage with.
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    • Posted by  $  MichaelAarethun 3 years, 7 months ago
      That's right I forgot they share that with the Supreme Court requiring nothing but a nomination and a confirmation. Twelve year old Martian would be legal. In that case I nominate Gingrich as the caretaker speaker. That suddenly becomes a GREAT idea. Just think of being able to light a fire in Congress!!! think of the Demos and RInos choking on it. LMAO
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  • Posted by ohiocrossroads 3 years, 7 months ago
    The aggravating thing about the current Republican leadership is that they are more willing to make deals with the Dimocrats than they are the Republican Freedom Caucus. It's the Freedom Caucus that has any semblance of principles that they are trying to uphold. The rest of the Republican members seem to be happy to "go along to get along" so they won't be called extremists and people will like them. It's too bad they don't realize that the Dimocrats are extremists themselves, and they are supporting the socialist agenda by acquiescing to it.
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  • Posted by Freedom2 3 years, 7 months ago
    TAKE CHANGE! NO MORE GAMES! GET THINGS DONE OR LET OBAMA SHOW HIS STUPIDITY BY BLOCKING WHAT IS PASSED!: Kate's Law; Reject iran Deal and block releaseof funds till all damages paid; NO Santuary cityies. English IS language of nation; IRS and Justice Department investigations for illegal actions; toss out illegal immigrants etc etc
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  • Posted by 3 years, 7 months ago
    Point taken Zen, I wasn't really trying to label the the general GOP dissatisfaction with any particular sub-camp label, conservative or otherwise. But the "iceberg" I'm referring to includes a big chunk of "traditional party members" including at least the economic conservatives, if not the many of the social conservatives.

    How else can you explain why the top three Presidential nominees (again all of which have never held any elected office) are currently commanding more than 50% of the support in most polls. None of which, I think, anyone would describe as traditional or "establishment" Republicans.

    The highest "office holding" candidate is Rubio at less than 9%. Also keeping in mind that the field includes the "Libertarian Candidate" Paul, who is the far more obvious choice among Lib/Tea voters (he is also in single digits).

    Though I might wish it otherwise, that 50% can't represent more than a hand full or "traditional libertarian and even tea party voters."

    Those "protest voting"(?) top three supporters are sending a message, that they want a President that will challenge the status quo, NOT ONLY AMONG THE STATIST DOMINATED SYSTEM, but also among what has become the Republican establishment, who they are beginning to view as a American version of the Vichy government. (no intent to compare neo-cons, to neo nazis - but I do think many are beginning to shift their support to the Freedom Fighting resistance (despite their small numbers), and away from the Vichy collaborators - while we all await the liberation of Allied Patriot Army) . As you suggest, I hope the gorilla actions of this now "armed" minority, turns into a rebellion and then a full scale revolution, within the party and then the rest of the country.
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    • Posted by Zenphamy 3 years, 7 months ago
      D_E; I think we're on similar pages here. I suspect establishment Repubs have been pulling their hair for the last two months and are yanking big handfuls right now. What I enjoyed yesterday, after McCarthy's announcement was all the 'old liners' throwing hissy fits on the news channels. Their arguments seemed to be all about not being able to get the work (capitulation docket) done without Boehner or McCarthy.

      But I still don't trust any of them. Here's an alleged Mark Twain quote:
      "Samuel Clements supposedly said, “While hanging its lawyers and politicians might not help the country as a whole, it would be a great deal of fun and would do no harm to decent folks.”"
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    • Posted by  $  CBJ 3 years, 7 months ago
      I think there is also significant "protest voting" among the other 50%. Besides Rand Paul, there is also Cruz and to some extent Rubio in the libertarian-leaning contingent, and (ick!) Santorum and Huckabee in the social-conservative contingent. The most telling indicator of the breadth of this revolt is the very low poll numbers of "establishment" standard-bearers such as Bush and Christie.
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    • Posted by  $  MichaelAarethun 3 years, 7 months ago
      Exactly. You can sit it out ---again--- or see where this leads. Time for Action! All the other discussions are essentially meaningless without the power to make change. this one is the first I've seen since the Contract With America worth support.
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  • Posted by johnpe1 3 years, 7 months ago
    your explanation is fascinating, and the future of this power-grab
    should be interesting. . this "freedom caucus" is about 20 percent
    of the House R membership, and they appear to be the
    only ones determined to change the inside-the-beltway
    elitist behavior of the party. . hide and watch!!! -- j
    .
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  • Posted by MinorLiberator 3 years, 7 months ago
    I too like the post. Although I was guilty myself of pointing out perhaps some dirt someone has on McCarthy as the proximate cause, that's starting to sounds like RINO excusifyin' (sorry, I from The D) so as not to acknowledge an actual revolt. I certainly hope, and honestly think, that a revolt is what it is.

    BTW, Paul Ryan has been mentioned in this thread. He definitely is very familiar with Rand, and I'll never forget how he faced down Obama (until I thought "The One" was going to skip his knife and go straight for his gun) with actual facts and figures (and logic) in a hearing. I've seldom seen Obama so proven wrong, and so livid.

    The latest "tea leaves" I read online within the past couple of hours is that Ryan, while truly reluctant, is being reasonably persuaded to take the post, which he would win. I hope so.
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