Proposition: America Could Not Have Been Founded By Objectivists

Posted by deleted 11 years, 4 months ago to History
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Check out the Founding Fathers... the *sacrifices* they made way outside the reward they got. Many of them were financially ruined. Many had their health ruined. Many never lived to see the rewards which their sacrifices wrought.

George Washington could have been king; had he been an objectivist, he might well have become king, or been the cause of another becoming king.

Here he argues the men of the military into sacrificing value-for-value.
http://www.historyplace.com/speeches/was...

" "Gentlemen," said Washington, "you will permit me to put on my spectacles, for I have not only grown gray but almost blind in the service of my country."

In that single moment of sheer vulnerability, Washington's men were deeply moved, even shamed, and many were quickly in tears, now looking with great affection at this aging man who had led them through so much. Washington read the remainder of the letter, then left without saying another word, realizing their sentiments."

John Galt would never manipulate his men so. Then again, he'd never have "his men". Except in Rand's fictional world where she can induce the emotion of undeserved loyalty from the aether.


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  • Posted by rlewellen 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Just laborers unpaid for contributions of the mind. Nope, I wouldn't bother with anyone that had so little respect I don't owe them and competition has been undermined. Who is John Galt?
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  • Posted by MattFranke 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That is incorrect. Thomas Paine is one of the first to come to mind, but there were others who leaned toward agnosticism more than religious.
    The point is even if they weren't religious, they knew that in order to believe what they wanted, they could not force their beliefs on others.
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  • Posted by 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Ah, but "establishment" as applied to buildings is derived from "establish"... as many businesses proclaim, "established in 19-whatever".

    Yes, the Founding Fathers were opposed to an American version of the Anglican Church, which became the official state church of England when the Catholic Church dared to tell Henry the 8th, "no".

    So "ecclesiastical establishments" is declaiming official brick and mortar churches, not Christianity.

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  • Posted by gonzo309 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The establishment of religion has to do with forming or creating a religion. I take the other two to be buildings.
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  • Posted by gonzo309 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Of course there's a Christian religion but I believe the founders followed the Bible and Christianity, not necessarily the Christian religion.
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  • Posted by rlewellen 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I don't know if were saying the same thing. I meant that many of those "laborers" come up with inventions and'/or strategies to streamline processes.I knew of a pressman who invented a map folder.
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  • Posted by 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Sure there will; you don't need laborers to invent things, merely to build them.

    In "Continental Drift", Eddie Roarke uses this fact to stick it to the progressives once again :)
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  • Posted by 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    " ecclesiastical establishments "

    "Congress shall make no law respecting an *establishment of religion*."

    "Weapons are not allowed in this establishment".

    Are you seeing a pattern here?
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  • Posted by 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I never said Washington's manipulation was evil. The men who died giving us our republic didn't and couldn't live to reap the reward of their efforts; they didn't trade value for value. No objectivist can be willing to die for benefits that only others will receive, and remain objectivist.
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  • Posted by 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "Modern management methods attempt to suck more from workers than the employer is paying for because some workers have more to contribute than their mere labor"

    FIFY
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  • Posted by rlewellen 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Feel better Stargeezer, I will pray for you. If you want to look at the Bible Jefferson was working on it's at the National Archives, they might have online images. I saw it on one of those shows History Detectives or something.
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