Proposition: America Could Not Have Been Founded By Objectivists

Posted by deleted 11 years, 4 months ago to History
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Check out the Founding Fathers... the *sacrifices* they made way outside the reward they got. Many of them were financially ruined. Many had their health ruined. Many never lived to see the rewards which their sacrifices wrought.

George Washington could have been king; had he been an objectivist, he might well have become king, or been the cause of another becoming king.

Here he argues the men of the military into sacrificing value-for-value.
http://www.historyplace.com/speeches/was...

" "Gentlemen," said Washington, "you will permit me to put on my spectacles, for I have not only grown gray but almost blind in the service of my country."

In that single moment of sheer vulnerability, Washington's men were deeply moved, even shamed, and many were quickly in tears, now looking with great affection at this aging man who had led them through so much. Washington read the remainder of the letter, then left without saying another word, realizing their sentiments."

John Galt would never manipulate his men so. Then again, he'd never have "his men". Except in Rand's fictional world where she can induce the emotion of undeserved loyalty from the aether.


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  • Posted by gonzo309 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I think that cannibalism qualifies as philosophy that is rationalized as OK by the cannibal but not so healthy to his fellow man/woman. They most probably don't have a religious system to show them right from wrong even though they believe in their natural right to follow their heart (by eating someone else's).
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    But what about those that don't share such a philosophy? I keep telling you and others here that history is replete with those types. And counting on your fellow man to adhere to such a philosophy as a basic foundation of your personal security is foolhardy.
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  • Posted by gonzo309 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Some of us will be praying for your quick healing and return to good health. Paddle your fanny off! 8-)
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  • Posted by gonzo309 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Which is the point I made in my original post, "The profit for innovation and improvement goes to the owners, individual or shareholders, not the line workers." As a worker, if you invent something, your rights to the invention are given to or taken by the employer.

    In reference to Robbie's comment, I agree that modern management theory includes the input from the workers but they don't usually get additional permanent compensation for their participation unless they are stockholders or participate in a ESPP. I do have to make an exception for Wall Street where folks make continual astronomical bonuses for continually fleecing investors.
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  • Posted by khalling 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    How so? Having a life philosophy that values natural rights means you do just that. What bad things could be rationalized?
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  • Posted by mccannon01 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Interesting, Hiraghm. I've wondered the same thing regarding Atlantis' type of government, if any, and who is really in charge of making decisions concerning all the residents.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Carried one of those for 3 years. Had my fill. Now, and M1A1, or better yet, an M1A3, now that's a weapon!
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I'm saying that not believing results in a situation where there is no rationale not to do "bad" things.
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  • Posted by $ stargeezer 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The evolution of the bible is a area that I have studied extensively with the lines of textual fragments that were in their developments. Translations as they developed leading to our modern bible. I can assure you that the Jeffersonian bible was not a effort to rewrite the bible and all correction or edits made by Jefferson fell into three divisions that were quite simple.

    Modernized spelling and language usage, recall that in excess of 150 years had passed since the completion of the KJV.

    Organizational - the three themes of scripture weren't placed into as organized groupings in the KJB as Jefferson desired. He sought to place the historical, poetic and prophetical divisions in a more reasoned order. He wrote that he believed that this would allow easier access to new converts, would this have been a better method over the existing date based style found in the KJB. Since he abandoned this attempt, we are not sure.

    Lastly he wanted a pure product of American production as I already have mentioned.

    As for the interactions between Adams and Jefferson, yes their history was varied over the many decades they knew one another. I'm not at home right now and missing my computer and library, I'm sailing such waters with just a single paddle. I'll just be forced to pass on any further comments about them until I get out of this hospital and back home.

    Good night all.
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  • Posted by $ WillH 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    +1, Amen, Here Here, toast, bully for you, and all those other sayings.

    I also propose that the best example of this is companies that have an employee stock purchase program, thereby allowing the worker to become owners of the company in a small part furthering their personal investment in their work and the business overall.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    @khalling - I agree completely, AND I don't think it does religion any benefit to associate with gov't. It may sound good on the surface to have gov't supporting you, but then they start to have influence over you. I would not want my church (which consists mostly of atheists and deists) to get heavily associated with gov't.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    This sounds like the no-true-Scotsman fallacy. I mean that if you're saying that usually when someone from a religion you agree with commits and atrocity, they're following their own agenda, not the religion's. I'm on the wrong track if you're saying members of religions you like in general don't commit as many crimes/atrocities.
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  • Posted by Rozar 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Are you saying I'm evil and I do bad things becauseI don't believe in a higher power?
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  • Posted by rlewellen 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Well try this and see if it fits Tom Paine with Objectivism He became notorious because of his pamphlet The Age of Reason (1793–94), in which he advocated deism, promoted reason and freethinking, and argued against institutionalized religion in general and Christian doctrine in particular. He also wrote the pamphlet Agrarian Justice (1795), discussing the origins of property, and introduced the concept of a guaranteed minimum income.
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  • Posted by rlewellen 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Lets add them up. Hitler, Stalin, Lenin, Popou, French Revolution, American Revolution, Civil War, World War 1, Viet Nam, Korea.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    How's this. I've always considered an M4 a "good gun." Too bad I can't include a pic in a reply.
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