Proposition: America Could Not Have Been Founded By Objectivists
Posted by deleted 11 years, 4 months ago to History
Check out the Founding Fathers... the *sacrifices* they made way outside the reward they got. Many of them were financially ruined. Many had their health ruined. Many never lived to see the rewards which their sacrifices wrought.
George Washington could have been king; had he been an objectivist, he might well have become king, or been the cause of another becoming king.
Here he argues the men of the military into sacrificing value-for-value.
http://www.historyplace.com/speeches/was...
" "Gentlemen," said Washington, "you will permit me to put on my spectacles, for I have not only grown gray but almost blind in the service of my country."
In that single moment of sheer vulnerability, Washington's men were deeply moved, even shamed, and many were quickly in tears, now looking with great affection at this aging man who had led them through so much. Washington read the remainder of the letter, then left without saying another word, realizing their sentiments."
John Galt would never manipulate his men so. Then again, he'd never have "his men". Except in Rand's fictional world where she can induce the emotion of undeserved loyalty from the aether.
George Washington could have been king; had he been an objectivist, he might well have become king, or been the cause of another becoming king.
Here he argues the men of the military into sacrificing value-for-value.
http://www.historyplace.com/speeches/was...
" "Gentlemen," said Washington, "you will permit me to put on my spectacles, for I have not only grown gray but almost blind in the service of my country."
In that single moment of sheer vulnerability, Washington's men were deeply moved, even shamed, and many were quickly in tears, now looking with great affection at this aging man who had led them through so much. Washington read the remainder of the letter, then left without saying another word, realizing their sentiments."
John Galt would never manipulate his men so. Then again, he'd never have "his men". Except in Rand's fictional world where she can induce the emotion of undeserved loyalty from the aether.
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This venue is not an Objectivist enclave. There are plenty of those. This is an open forum for those interested in the movie, and as an off-shoot, the book Atlas Shrugged. One does not need to be an Objectivist to find AS meaningful and insightful. And those, seemingly like you, who insist on some sort of Objectivist "purity" degrade the ability for all of us to work together for our ultimate good.
I disagree with your description of human perception as subjective. I suppose it can be if the individual refuses to apply rational and logical thought and to use his reason to determine the objective reality of what his senses perceive. I doubt that any Objectivist would accept your definition of traffic law requirements as the rational and objective way to drive. I'm not even sure that the requirements written in law can be defined as rational and objective, since they are really up to the subjective analysis of the traffic cop that wants to increase his quota for looting to pay for his salary.
I repeat that Objectivist DO NOT insist that mutual respect and autonomy is the only 'rational' perspective. They do insist that would be a better world, but we don't live in a la-la land of peace and flowers. We fully expect to have to defend ourselves and our property from those that would loot. Further an Objectivist would never try to force or coerce another into acting or believing anything, though they might try to demonstrate the rightness of their philosophy in the face of the other's failures.
I have a terror of doctors and hospitals. It's not rational. It's born of my experiences as a baby with a near-fatal ear infection. I won't elaborate here, as that's not the point.
However, my decisions regarding my health care, for example, are colored by my preconceptions, or prejudices, about doctors and hospitals.
The choice in adhereing to a religion is the acceptance of a mythic interpritation of events designed to explain away mysteries not easily proven. Many Objectivists have decided that they are not willing to accept things on faith--and need to build their world on observable fact. This is not the same as imposing the will of a collective group whether it be religious people, or even Objectivists into imposing themselves upon individuals with coerceon. A lack of respect for individual value is the root cause of death and religious zeal--and communism is every part of that root.
I do not fully agree with this. There are exceptions. It depends upon your hierarchy of values. If you love someone or something so much that you could not bear to see them or it (a loved one, your nation and/or the freedom of your descendants etc.) perish you may sacrifice your own life willingly. "If one wants to measure the intensity of a particular instance of love, one does so by reference to the hierarchy of values of the person experiencing it. A man may love a woman, yet may rate the neurotic satisfactions of sexual promiscuity higher than her value to him. Another man may love a woman, but may give her up, rating his fear of the disapproval of others (of his family, his friends or any random strangers) higher than her value. *Still another man may risk his life to save the woman he loves, because all his other values would lose meaning without her.* The emotions in these examples are not emotions of the same intensity or dimension. Do not let a James Taggart type of mystic tell you that love is immeasurable."
http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/love.h...
To the one sacrificing their life, they may be receiving the satisfaction of knowing their will, will be done and the continuance of something they value more...
The principle applies universally.
Respectfully,
O.A.
Your comment indicates that you have given up your natural rights, but NATURAL RIGHTS do exist just the same as geometry, government, and love.
don't EVER put a comment like that on this board again or you will be gone
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