Heinlein wasn't politically correct. Remember this is being promoted by CNN, and created by Amazon who recently banned confederate flag images from all products.
Now for a pet peeve. I didn't even look at the books on this web site. I HATE websites that are designed to waste my time. Forcing the user to go through 20 pages of horsepucky to see a couple sentences and a photo of a book cover on each page is insulting. When I see a website with this arrangement solely for the calculated benefit of the publisher and purposely wasteful of the endusers' time and the limited bandwidth of the internet, I walk away, never to return. This entire article is contrived to help sell books for Amazon. What a BRILLIANT way to chase away potential customers.
Can it be that the website designers really think that the viewers have such a short attention span that this is the only way to reach them? Or are all these sites designed in coordination with cell phone companies to display for a 4" cellphone screen and waste as much bandwidth as possible? Inquiring minds want to know!
I went to the Amazon thing and clicked on the Good reads link and there was a list of all 100, although how they came up with it may be suspect. Not one Honor Harrington book and that was easily more well read than Ancillary Justice, which I read both and AJ was not near any HH book. I do agree Heinlein did not fit in the PC universe, but his universe was never PC. You are accurate in it was clunky the way they did it, seemingly to entice you to vote for a book and Goodreads gets your email to sell.
I don't criticise the idea of wanting to sell the books; I'd just rather see respect for the prospective customer in the way it is pitched. (Reading could be better than watching most tv programs, at least.) ;^) Its not an easy business though, with all the other entertainments that appear to be more engaging. Reading requires a different use of faculties, not as "glamorous."
Indeed, that is very true. Ryk Brown is an independent writer who is doing a Sci Fi series called "The Frontier Saga" where he has self published and used Amazon Kindle library, which he had to pull out of after they kept cutting his fee back, to the point he lost 50% of his revenue. He gives a good explanation of just how the self publishing business works on his blog.
Here is the blog link: http://www.frontierssaga.com/ryks-log/ Unless I am mis-reading the April 2, 2015 entry, he stopped selling through Apple and Google but still sells on Amazon. The loss of revenue seems to have gone to the Apple/Google connection, perhaps another layer of fees in addition to the Amazon fees?
Thanks for sharing the info. Do you recommend Ryk's series?
You are correct Freedom, it is the Apple/Google thing, but I think he also pulled the plug on the Kindle "all you can eat" program as well for the same reason. They seemed to have lowered the fees paid to authors, for unlimited use of their material.
His series got mostly good reviews on Audible and Downpour. Most people complained about the short length (they are 8-10 hour audio books, 100-110K word books) and the second one was deemed as unnecessary. I found you did need to listen to all of them to get all the stuff going on, but I interpreted it as sort of a "Star Trek with different names" type storyline. You have a young brash captain, thrown into command, a logical and analytical XO (complete with emotional detachment), a Russian (not Scot) engineer who can fix anything, and it moves planet to planet with the usual misadventures. I would rate it at a 7-8 on a 1-10 scale, and it seems to get better as you go along. The premise is pretty good, if not standard fare, but RB seems to be growing into the writing role with each book. It is projected to be a series of 75 books, in 3 story arcs, covering a 100 year span. He is at book 14 I think in the first 25 book arc. I would recommend it as a Sci Fi series, but you may also want to look into H.Paul Honsingers "Man of War" series. He does a better job with characters and suspenseful interest, and his bad guys are giant rats who just happen to match human DNA to 98% due to some long ago alien intervention, who are really pissed about it and want to wipe out humanity for it. Much more fun and great, well thought out science to it.
Thanks for the thoughtful reply, nick! Getting a referral to 'new' authors is a delight and one of the great benefits of being here in the gulch with kindred spirits.
I grok that. BTW, I think SIASL was an expose on just how religion can be manipulated, in addition to how what you perceive something to be is what it becomes. I found it a much easier read if you listen to it as a audio-book, the guy who does it gets JJHarshaw perfect.
I saw Stranger, more than anything else, as an admission that even the people who "believe" in religion know it is a scam, and are in it in order to scam people.
Mike definitely made it into a scam, with an underlying good reason, to him. I think it was that part that really disturbed people. Overall I always like the story and the cautions Heinlein tried to bring up.
Actually, I would argue that Mike was the only one in that book whose religion was not a scam. Because he could actually do "miracles" and he could teach others through his religion to do them as well.
The other religions in there, especially the Fosterites, were definitely scams.
xthinker, you may be right in that interpretation, Mike could do the miracles he propounded to do, which was why they offed him (which they really didn't). I think RAH was trying to say on several levels that he believed that there were more things we do not understand about the universe, and have a habit of then writing off to a mystical god being, and his Mike was just the vehicle to show how even when given a gift of the ability to "grok" things to a point were you understood their essence. Unfortunately, he did not believe we could be mature enough to handle such power, and that people will screw it up anyways just to able to be unhappy. Mike offered man a huge benefit that most rejected because of prejudice and greed. His "religion" was a scam in the sense that it was framed as one, when in reality, there was no god, no other being, that you had to hope would be nice to you. You could be nice to yourself. Since you are God. I would think it was an Objectivist view is many ways.
I'm not thinking just of the group Mike himself starts, but of the "mainstream" faith (I forget the name of) that invites Harshaw's whole family to a show. They're as well organized as any outfit in Las Vegas.
No, it's not just you. That was precisely my thought. Fantasy and science fiction are two distinct genres. Horror is a separate other also. But I like them all. Guess that's why I give the Syfy Channel a pass. It's silly "Syfy" name kinda Sharknado helps. But actual books in libraries, bookstores and book sales sites? I say hell no to that icky mix.
Yes, and as I like all three genres, I thought I might be quibbling.
Some older SciFi, like H.G. Wells and Jules Verne have shifted to fantasy. I think we can safely rule out discovering an Island or Plataea with dinosaurs and other prehistoric beasts living on it, but those are still enjoyable stories.
One other thing, I kind of make a distinction between Science Fiction that allows Humans to have *psychic" or mystical powers and those that try to imagine a future where the human mind is what we see today.
Examples of the former might be Star Trek or Babylon 5, examples of the latter might be Alien or "The Diamond Age". I love Trek and the like, but I think I prefer a non-supernatural approach to Sci Fi.
So for me, moving stuff around with your mind, uh, not my cup of tea. Doing stuff with a giant Krell machine (Forbidden Planet) scanning your mind, yes that might be possible . Another quibble I suppose...
The difference between SF and fantasy is that SF is set in a plausible future. Obviously, what's plausible is at least somewhat a matter of opinion, and will change with time.
For instance, people-on-Mars stories were plausible until we sent probes that showed there aren't any.
I agree, they should be kept a 2 seperate genres. I didn't lock on to hardly any of the bottom 50. Maybe they just went on aggregate scores from Amazon which is totally inaccurate since not everyone leaves reviews. The old Man War was a good sneaker in the list. I was surprised with Ancillary Justice as it was something I took out of desperation when I ran low on choices on Audible.
I've read most of those, and except for "The Handmaid's Tale," which I thought was bad as SF and bad generally, I thought practically all of the ones on that list that I had read were very good.
Its a given that all lists are subjective, but htis list is bogus. Seriously, Neil Gaiman? No Arthur C. Clarke or Ray Bradbury? American Gods was interesting but sophomoric in its delivery.
Seconded, although I'd knock SIASL farther down the list in favor of Starship Troopers, which is one of his best for philosophy. (It actually goes fairly deeply into the difference between patriotism and nationalism, even while favoring both.)
I also have several books by Neal Stephenson in my top 20, including The Diamond Age, Snow Crash, and especially Cryptonomicon.
Yes, I remember. That awful movie franchise butchered the premise. Neither Paul Verhoeven nor anyone else understood the first thing about what the early Heinlein was trying to tell the world. Especially his definition of true citizenship, and his examples of leadership.
I just received two John Carter on Mars. I like the variety and multitude of choices. I don't agree with the List. Heinlein needs adding but I wouldn't waste my money on the movies. Books!
Harry Potter? That stuff is entertaining, but crap. Message: Be born into power, and be a nice guy. No hard work. No real talent. Just be lucky. Sends the message: "Boy, if I just had my big break. Maybe I'll win the lottery".
Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix had a strong libertarian theme, and in that book Harry Potter worked hard and displayed real talent. http://studentsforliberty.org/blog/20...
I'm appalled at the list. They didn't include David Drake: In enjoyed reading the Hammer Series, I have read only one RCN novel. In Urban Fantasy: Jim Butcher's Dresden novels are excellent as well. It is sad that Amazon and CNN are illiterate when it comes to reading good scifi and fantasy books.
I'm not a sci-fi enthusiast, but I majored in literature in college-MARGARET ATWOOD LISTED AS SCI_FI FOR HANDMAID"S TALE??! what fresh hell is that. no wonder sad puppies exists
They're missing Robert Jordan on there. (And Brandon Sanderson).
And if they are basing things on popularity (see Harry Potter), they should also probably include the Twilight series and
For more serious consideration, I don't see Margaret Weis & Tracy Hickman (Dragonlance world). No David Eddings or Terry Brooks. No Anne McCaffrey. And no Edgar Allen Poe.
Now for a pet peeve. I didn't even look at the books on this web site.
I HATE websites that are designed to waste my time. Forcing the user to go through 20 pages of horsepucky to see a couple sentences and a photo of a book cover on each page is insulting.
When I see a website with this arrangement solely for the calculated benefit of the publisher and purposely wasteful of the endusers' time and the limited bandwidth of the internet, I walk away, never to return.
This entire article is contrived to help sell books for Amazon. What a BRILLIANT way to chase away potential customers.
Or are all these sites designed in coordination with cell phone companies to display for a 4" cellphone screen and waste as much bandwidth as possible?
Inquiring minds want to know!
I prefer sci-fi and police procedurals, not current comedy.
Its not an easy business though, with all the other entertainments that appear to be more engaging. Reading requires a different use of faculties, not as "glamorous."
http://www.frontierssaga.com/ryks-log/
Unless I am mis-reading the April 2, 2015 entry, he stopped selling through Apple and Google but still sells on Amazon. The loss of revenue seems to have gone to the Apple/Google connection, perhaps another layer of fees in addition to the Amazon fees?
Thanks for sharing the info. Do you recommend Ryk's series?
His series got mostly good reviews on Audible and Downpour. Most people complained about the short length (they are 8-10 hour audio books, 100-110K word books) and the second one was deemed as unnecessary. I found you did need to listen to all of them to get all the stuff going on, but I interpreted it as sort of a "Star Trek with different names" type storyline. You have a young brash captain, thrown into command, a logical and analytical XO (complete with emotional detachment), a Russian (not Scot) engineer who can fix anything, and it moves planet to planet with the usual misadventures. I would rate it at a 7-8 on a 1-10 scale, and it seems to get better as you go along. The premise is pretty good, if not standard fare, but RB seems to be growing into the writing role with each book. It is projected to be a series of 75 books, in 3 story arcs, covering a 100 year span. He is at book 14 I think in the first 25 book arc. I would recommend it as a Sci Fi series, but you may also want to look into H.Paul Honsingers "Man of War" series. He does a better job with characters and suspenseful interest, and his bad guys are giant rats who just happen to match human DNA to 98% due to some long ago alien intervention, who are really pissed about it and want to wipe out humanity for it. Much more fun and great, well thought out science to it.
Getting a referral to 'new' authors is a delight and one of the great benefits of being here in the gulch with kindred spirits.
― Frank Herbert, Dune
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―Walter M. Miller, Jr., A Canticle For Leibowitz
The other religions in there, especially the Fosterites, were definitely scams.
Stanislaw Lem, Phillip K. Dick, Arthur C Clark, made it, but a lot of my favorites are missing.
I really don't like lists that mix fantasy with Sci Fi, I would prefer to see them kept separate, But that's just me, I suppose.
That was precisely my thought.
Fantasy and science fiction are two distinct genres. Horror is a separate other also.
But I like them all.
Guess that's why I give the Syfy Channel a pass.
It's silly "Syfy" name kinda Sharknado helps.
But actual books in libraries, bookstores and book sales sites?
I say hell no to that icky mix.
Some older SciFi, like H.G. Wells and Jules Verne have shifted to fantasy. I think we can safely rule out discovering an Island or Plataea with dinosaurs and other prehistoric beasts living on it, but those are still enjoyable stories.
One other thing, I kind of make a distinction between Science Fiction that allows Humans to have *psychic" or mystical powers and those that try to imagine a future where the human mind is what we see today.
Examples of the former might be Star Trek or Babylon 5, examples of the latter might be Alien or "The Diamond Age". I love Trek and the like, but I think I prefer a non-supernatural approach to Sci Fi.
So for me, moving stuff around with your mind, uh, not my cup of tea. Doing stuff with a giant Krell machine (Forbidden Planet) scanning your mind, yes that might be possible . Another quibble I suppose...
For instance, people-on-Mars stories were plausible until we sent probes that showed there aren't any.
Any list that puts Starship Troopers or Stranger not in the top 20 is bogus in my book.
I also agree that I don't like lists that mix fantasy and SciFi. Different genres generally although there are a few books that kind of cross over.
http://www.amazon.com/s?rh=i%3Aenglis...
I counted down rows of three to find Starship Troopers at 21
I also have several books by Neal Stephenson in my top 20, including The Diamond Age, Snow Crash, and especially Cryptonomicon.
http://studentsforliberty.org/blog/20...
In Urban Fantasy: Jim Butcher's Dresden novels are excellent as well.
It is sad that Amazon and CNN are illiterate when it comes to reading good scifi and fantasy books.
by S. Fowler Wright (1928)
would be on my list.
And if they are basing things on popularity (see Harry Potter), they should also probably include the Twilight series and
For more serious consideration, I don't see Margaret Weis & Tracy Hickman (Dragonlance world). No David Eddings or Terry Brooks. No Anne McCaffrey. And no Edgar Allen Poe.
A list sorely lacking, IMHO.