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Star Trek Continues - Divided We Stand - A message on the value of freedom

Posted by freedomforall 10 years, 7 months ago to Entertainment
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The latest "fan produced" episode "Divided We Stand" of Star Trek Continues.
While it continues some of the false history of Lincoln's Looter War, the message of freedom is worth enduring it for.
If you long for an authentic continuation of Star Trek, the original series, you will get it with Star Trek Continues.
Review of this episode:
https://www.the-newshub.com/film-and-...


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  • Posted by $ nickursis 10 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Very Orwellian, sounds like. Though it is the market, not the gov't in this case. Much like Fahrenheit 451 which was illustrative of what happens when we allow government to take total control. Ray Bradbury liked to go in those directions.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 10 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Just be glad it wasn't Jackboot Janet in charge there would be charred infant corpses to deal with. ATF is part of the protective echelon as I recall. I would expect no less an assignment for a chronically historical rogue agency. thanks to people like them I feel the need to carry north of the border and don't even think about it south of the border. There is no doubt which side is the most dangerous.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 10 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Amazon had all and game but it looks like collectors prices now. Not even a value good or acceptable to be found. It was getting that way with two books I'm passing on to another poster Not This August and Kornbluth and Pohl and the Taylor Caldwell look at the future from the fifties Devil's Advocate. Morris West was the first to plagiarize the title. Some of these items will end up only as memoriaes. I saw that happen with other forms of good top drawer writing. Al Hobart's Winding Trails column in a weekly newspaper put out near the Oregon Caves area. Classic memories and stories from as far back as the late 1800's from residents he interviewed they are gone so are the columns. When the newspaper was bought out the morgue was donated to the County Museum which in their wisdom promptly burnt them all. Along with some of the on loan exhibits which disappeared. I never gave them a dime after that.So much of the past is gone forever....sad.

    Well.. that's a side comment. but to tie it into this forum it's as if someone wants all traces of the old independent pioneer spirit erased.
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  • Posted by $ nickursis 10 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Thanks, Michael, Alec Peters, the producer who has been working on the project for a few years, said that it was based on the FASA books for the 4 years war. The 2 books you reference are for the FASA game ( a role playing game) where they basically "made up" things as they went along. Paramount pulled their license in 1989 because of the conflicts they believed existed between FASA and what Paramount called "canon". A lot of Trek fans still cling to the FASA interpretation, but Alec has changed the storyline a little to make it fit what the Garth of Izar character was supposedly having done in the Battle of Axanar ( referenced in the episode Whom Gods destroy). FASA was one of the things that held the Star Trek franchise together during the 80's until the Next generation started.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Tr...The_Role_Playing_Game

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whom_Go...
    %28Star_Trek:_The_Original_Series%29

    Thanks for the reference to the book, I didn't know they had one they had made.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 10 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
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  • Posted by $ nickursis 10 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Indeed so. It is connected to the fact all media is a powerful tool that allows a specific mindset to reach a huge crowd. However, it even has it's own set of rules and patrons, witness the fact AS1-3 were never seen in many theaters. I didn't even find out about AS1 until I was looking for some AR material after I listened to the audio book.
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  • Posted by 10 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The programming team that creates the first true to life actor/actress won't get paid 111 million per film, but it should have a substantial effect on the cost of acting talent, and their idiotic political causes, but the digital actors will have very politically correct opinions, I suspect.
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  • Posted by $ nickursis 10 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    it seems that the "bank them" process is almost exclusively how they get actors. I would say they all use some bizarre calculation on their "draw". But no one is worth 111 million. Even if the movie gets 750 million in take, it would be just as bankable at 25 million. I think it is all modeled on government spending and contracts. Whats good for the Goose...
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 10 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Did a sort of home study assignment on the worst places to invest money...and the best.

    Movies came up with the highest returns in a short time IF you were one of the insiders. Outsiders got short shrift.

    So they rated at the bottom of the scale as safe investments.

    The contracts alone meant spend a bundle on a lawyer versed in that sort of thing. There is not only off the top but off the bottom and out of the middle. Then all the extras start like DVD TV Amazon sales etc.

    The bundled approach seemed good in some respects. You pick one actor or actress or the same with directors or producers and invest in his or her next five or ten films or twenty. If they are...bankable....and the contract lets you get paid early enough pretty good deal.

    But for those of you in the industry I wonder what the aspirin and tylenol rate per day must be. Now you say Downey did Ironman? As a competitor. He always reminded me of someone who couldn't lift his plate from the table unless he finished everything and then couldn't lift himself.
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  • Posted by $ nickursis 10 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I am not adverse to him, I liked his way of doing the Ironman stint. But 111 million is a lot of coin for even 3 months work. I think it goes back to the definition of value and what is real and what is percieved. She was complaining she didn't think he was worth 111 million because women didn't get the same amount. If she had gotten 111 million she would have been ok with it, I believe. I think all the studios are not giving fair value to their shareholders, when they just toss money around that way, in that movies become bigger and bigger crap shoots that they gamble the companies money on and "hope" they get it rich. There should be a lot more thought and investigation into what is cost effective and has a good chance of making money in entertainment. A little "out of the box" investigation and thinking might give a better return for investors. Right now it's "throw it a the wall and see what sticks " mode.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 10 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I like the word touted. That's what shills on sidewalks do in SF's North Beach. LMAO - OK a fantastic fifth rate actor. Maybe he needs some milage. Clint Eastwood became exceptionally good when he switched to drama and action drama. Downey is like Cruise....not believable in his roles.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 10 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Must be if you mean Morton Downey Jr. He isn't that great an actor and has no particular star power. Not when set against Nick Cage or any of the others. I recall Sean Connery getting a million for a five second cameo in Robin Hood. Downey is definitely fifth rate.
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  • Posted by $ nickursis 10 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Or has a better agent. But it is a good explanation for the huge surge in costs for a movie. I am sure it is always based on the actors "draw" and how many people will go just to see him in a movie. I am not onboard with the "value" they bring, but I am sure they all justify it to each other.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 10 years, 7 months ago
    I was not a fan of the show on TV. I own all the movies. For one reason they didn't Star Wars the idea in to mush. It wasn't the big screen I don't go to theaters at all but wait for the convenience of the DVD. Which reminds me I have both the John Carter on Mars DVDs thanks to whomever started that conversation. 300 newer version The Immortals is garbage and The Nick Cage movie Season of the Witch is a thumbs up. Got that one just because of the cast list. Nothing to do with anything except my 'test it -is it useful attitude.' It's more than just philosophy.
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  • Posted by 10 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Pot calling the kettle black, but it is nice to see discord in the enemy.
    “I am who I am. I can’t pretend to be somebody who makes $25,000 a year.”
    Paltrow reportedly gets a paltry 16 million per movie. Could be that Downey is a better businessman than he is an actor.
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  • Posted by $ nickursis 10 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Thanks for the link, I didn't have time to look for it. Appreciate it, you are right, worth watching. Richard seems to have a good grasp of what is needed in the business.
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  • Posted by Technocracy 10 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The "federation" is nothing more than a thinly disguised UN on steroids. Even the flags are reminiscent of each other.
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  • Posted by 10 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes, it is unfortunate. The "federation" is a problem as well; individuals always trusting that a centralized government won't misuse power is as naive as expecting Klingons not to be true to their culture of war.
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  • Posted by Technocracy 10 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The unfortunate jarring downside to Star Trek. They really like to drive the episode's "lesson" home with a sledge. And the lessons tended to be altruistic.

    The original series had some of the best sci-fi writers of the time creating episodes, and they were always interesting. You could tell if the episodes were created by ST writers or outsiders pretty easily.

    Still an enjoyable series in spite of the underpinnings.

    The Star Trek Continues started out with follow-ups to TOS episodes.

    Pilgrim of Eternity - Follow on to - Who Mourns for Adonis
    Lolani - also a follow on, but don't recall the name of the original episode.
    Fairest of them All - follow on to - Mirror, Mirror

    They are trying to follow the existing materials for the Star Trek milieu. That material pushes the altruism, since that was what Gene Roddenberry set it up as. He really pushed this, and not just in Star Trek either. Genesis II was a series pilot that aired in the 70s, same group underpinnings as ST. Given the history, they really have to get some good writing to step beyond those constraints without offending the fan base (which still exists)

    Since it is fan written, produced, and acted, kind of trapped.
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  • Posted by $ nickursis 10 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    There is a lot of angst over JJ's interpretation of Trek. I think a lot of it comes from studio pressure to make it different and bolder. Notice the flashy bridge, which was a huge jump from supposedly just diverging the timeline. I just let it go as just another interpretation that can be either embraced or rejected. That was why I helped fund Axanar, The more people vote with their money, the more the studios will have to (someday) wake up. Richard Hatch (ex-Apollo, original Battlestar Galactica) makes an excellent summation of just where the industry is at in their SD Comic Con Panel on You Tube, if you are interested. I was impressed with his perception. K'Plah!
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  • Posted by Texaswildfire 10 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Where the JJ movies were entertaining, they did not really do justice to the original series . Everything is so overblown and exaggerated that it is hard to believe it is the same storeyline.
    It would have been nice to use some facts and relevance from the original series such as crew size and the size of the ship.
    Thanks to Netflix all the series still live.
    " Live Long and Prosper ".
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  • Posted by $ nickursis 10 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes, there is constant rumors that the legal issue expired Jan1 2015, but so far no movement has been seen from Sony/Paramount on anything new but the movie.
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